Gov. Bobby Jindal signs bills allowing guns in church, changing sex-solicitation penalty

[jxnmsdemguy65]

Source: New Orleans Times Picayune

Gov. Bobby Jindal has signed into law one of the more controversial bills from the recent legislative session, one allowing guns to be carried into houses of worship.

Jindal's office said Tuesday the governor acted on the bill in the past few days after receiving it June 20.

Including the "gun-in-church" bill, House Bill 1272 by Rep. Henry Burns, R-Haughton, Jindal has signed into law 940 of the 1,067 bills the Legislature sent him, vetoed 12, and used his pen to line-item spending measures in four different budget bills.

Burns' bill would authorize persons who qualified to carry concealed weapons having passed the training and background checks to bring them to churches, mosques, synagogues or other houses of worship as part of a security force.

Read more: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/07/gov_bobby_jindal_signs_bills_a.html

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Why does anyone need a gun in a church?

[MadMaddie]

1. It makes you wonder!

[brendan120678]

2. Because...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/05/31/2009-05-31_abortion_lightning_rod_dr_george_tiller_gunned_down_in_kansas_church.html">Abortion lightning rod Dr. George Tiller gunned down in Kansas church
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080728/NEWS/807280490/1052/">Gunman subdued after killing two in church shooting spree
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/434663431.html?dids=434663431:434663431&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+16%2C+1999&author=&pub=The+Record&desc=8+dead+in+Texas+church+shooting&pqatl=google">8 dead in Texas church shooting

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

4. And the Faux News Patriot

Who killed 2 at the Unitarian church here in Knoxville. Said he hated liberals.

[saigon68]

26. A good start One person with a .45

Would have stopped these NUT-JOBS

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Yay.

Now we know he's nuts.

[louis-t]

5. Cuz someone that believes in that OTHER God

might come in and then he'd have to be dealt with. Honestly, Jindal is trying to score teabag points.

[napi21]

6. If you're carrying concealed, it means you can go into a church

whole on your way to somewhere else without breaking any laws. Prior to this law, you would have to secure your gun somewhere else if you stopped at the church. Although I think this cocealed carry thing has gone way too far, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to have to leave your gun in your car or somewhere else if you stopped by a particular place.

[safeinOhio]

25. If you read it

not all CCW holders can carry in Church. You must be part of a Church security force and they must announce it to the members. Also additional training on a yearly basis is required. Sounds more reasonable when you read the law.

[onehandle]

7. 'Why does anyone need a gun in a church?'

Irrational Fear.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Absolutely. Tiller. The Unitarian Chuch shooting. Etc.

Churchgoers are sometimes targeted.

I wonder if even off-duty offiers, who can concealed carry everywhere else, were allowed to carry in church in that state, previously?

In WA you could always do this.

[onehandle]

15. posted in wrong place. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

16. :(

I wish we could engage in meaningful dialog.

[slackmaster]

8. SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET DRUNK ON COMMUNION WINE AND TURN THE SANCTUARY INTO A SHOOT-UP GALLERY!

:sarcasm:

[ashling]

9. why not? They put targets on stained glass windows

Besides, good to influence the preacher to move it on along so you can make it to Shoney's before the rush.:shrug:



:sarcasm:

[SoapBox]

10. Crazy....

Why would God want guns in HIS house of worship?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. It should be up to the church.

And now, I think it is. Previously it wasn't allowed at all.

[MurrayDelph]

13. As a Jew, I may not be the best judge of the situation

but I am pretty sure when Jesus said "Blessed are the Peacemakers" he wasn't talking about this:

[Generic Other]

14. It gives the worshippers a chance to turn the other cheek

when someone shoots them in the ass!

[eringer]

17. How Strange

Hitler would have loved this new law as he was always "packing."

[Frisbee]

18. RE: Why does anyone need a gun in a church?

Why does anyone need a church?

[Kolesar]

21. A Sunday morning walk in the park is my church

Dig it?

[Frisbee]

30. I can dig it!

:thumbsup:

[DFW]

19. What's all the fuss about?

Republicans worship guns. What better place to bring them to?

Seems perfectly logical to me.

[meegbear]

20. ... as part of a security force

be interesting to see how "security" a church needs.

[EC]

22. What's a crime against nature?

I'd call the BP spill a crime against nature, but I'm thinking that's not what they mean.

Jindal has also signed into law Senate Bill 381 by Sen. J.P. Morrell, D-New Orleans, that puts the penalty for a first conviction for soliciting a crime against nature on the same footing as soliciting for prostitution: up to six months in jail, a maximum fine of $500 or both. It changes the crime from a felony to a misdemeanor

[pattmarty]

23. Hey c'mon man, this IS America.

[Jumping John]

24. So Mosques are churches too. Irony - The military targets those in Iraq for the same reason. n/t

[Ter]

27. Read the whole article, look at this!

"Jindal has also signed into law Senate Bill 381 by Sen. J.P. Morrell, D-New Orleans, that puts the penalty for a first conviction for soliciting a crime against nature on the same footing as soliciting for prostitution: up to six months in jail, a maximum fine of $500 or both. It changes the crime from a felony to a misdemeanor.

But a second offense for soliciting a crime against nature would be a felony punishable by up to five years in jail, a maximum fine of $2,000 or both. If the initial conviction is solicitation of a youth under 17, the harsher penalties will apply.

The offender must register with police as a sex offender if he or she has been convicted of soliciting a minor on a first offense or after a second conviction of soliciting a crime against nature of an adult."




Now, what the hell is a "crime against nature?" Cutting down a tree?

[KamaAina]

31. "Crime against nature" is Louisiana-speak for "sodomy"

one wonders if it also applies to certain activities involving diapers, which would certainly come as a relief to Sen. Vitter (R-BP).

[IronLionZion]

28. to shoot themselves in shame for their hypocrisy for getting caught with gay hookers nt

[Mimosa]

29. Guess some never heard of the attacks on churches by outsiders over the past 10 years?

There have been mass shootings in churches conducted by crazy outsiders. And mosques may also become targeted by crazy people.

The law makes sense. From the OP link:

Burns' bill would authorize persons who qualified to carry concealed weapons having passed the training and background checks to bring them to churches, mosques, synagogues or other houses of worship as part of a security force.

The pastor or head of the religious institution must announce verbally or in weekly newsletters or bulletins that there will be individuals armed on the property as members of he security force. Those chosen have to undergo eight hours of tactical training each year.