Arizona Law Causes Split for Governors Sharing Border (Brewer Cancels conference)

[lanlady]

Source: New York Times

PHOENIX — For nearly 30 years, the governors of the states that line both sides of the United States-Mexico border have gathered to celebrate border bonhomie. They issue proclamations and pledges to work together, air grievances and concerns behind closed doors and pose for the cameras in symbolic showings of cooperation.

Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona was to host a conference of Mexican and American governors, but the Mexicans, unhappy about Arizona’s new immigrant law, protested.
But this year the 28th annual conference has collided headlong with Arizona’s crackdown on illegal immigration, inspiring bitter recriminations among Mexican governors and rancor among some American ones.

Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona has championed the new state law that gives local police officers broader authority to question people they stop about their immigration status. On Tuesday, the United States Justice Department filed suit to challenge the law.

Ms. Brewer happens by rotation to be the chairwoman and host of this year’s conference, scheduled for September at a resort in Phoenix. But after all six Mexican border governors wrote to her to say they intended to boycott the gathering to protest the new law, Ms. Brewer sent a letter of her own last week to the governors on both sides of the border saying she was canceling the whole conference.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07governors.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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[madrchsod]

2. an ugly one .....

[saigon68]

22. Yikes deleted already

[joeglow3]

3. Yeah. Screw her for sticking up for working class Americans

My family was happy to damn near lose their house and live on the streets so illegal immigrants could flood the drywall profession in the middle of America.

[Bette Noir]

4. The point of the new law is not to deport immigrants.

The point of the new law is to harass Latinos. I'm a citizen, and I've never installed a drywall panel in my life, but if I go to Arizona without my passport, I can be put in prison for six months.

But if you want to stick up for the racists, against US citizens who happen to be brunettes, you can bite my shiny metal ass.

[Lance_Boyle]

18. THAT is complete and utter bullshit.

"The point of the new law is to harass Latinos."

The point of the law is to enable Arizona law enforcement to hold illegals in custody prior to handing them over to ICE for deportation. I don't know why so many of you open-borders utopians seem to think that no harm comes from illegal immigration. Illegal aliens need to be GONE from the US. One at a time for as long as it takes. And Mexico's border governors can just go fuck themselves - like they should have ANY say at all! They're just pissed that they can't so easily plop their unwanted over the border anymore for the US to deal with. Fuck 'em.

[JonLP24]

24. It's already happening

This will increase with this law no doubt.

Nice to know DUers are lining up with Russell Pearce, Sheriff Joe, etc.

[EFerrari]

41. No, that's wrong. AZ LEOs hate this law because it puts them at risk

coming and going. They already can detain suspects.

But go ahead and defend this POS written by a hate group.

[JonLP24]

43. I know

the Phoenix police union supports it but the brass is against it. The reason why the higher ups are against it is because they believe illegal immigrants will be fearful to contact law enforcement when serious crimes occur where they are witnesses or when they become the victim of such crimes.

[EFerrari]

44. And because LEOs can be sued for enforcing the law and for not enforcing it.

It puts them in a no winner.

[ProudDad]

60. The point of the law is to HARRASs Latinos

and to suppress voter turnout now and in the future!

But, I'm not worried, because this bullshit is never going to go into effect...

[Monique1]

5. Jan Brewer

is a dried old lady who is looking for her own power. She is not interested in the middle class and the same for her nazi friends.

[atreides1]

6. You have a vivid imagination

Brewer could give a rat's ass about working class Americans.

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[bongbong]

15. Freedom is free

Funny how you have so little imagination that you actually use one of the right-wing, AKA lying, talking points as your screen name.

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[ellenfl]

23. actually, crime rates by illegals are significantly LOWER near

the border on the american side, as stated by the latest reports. it IS higher in the border towns on the mexican side. most illegals avoid crime in the u.s. as it will get them deported. apparently you're getting your talking points from faux news.

ellen fl

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[ellenfl]

32. looks like mexican against mexican crime, not crimes against

arizona citizens. but i'm sure your support of the arizona law is to protect illegals. it appears that the stats i heard were about crimes against arizonans and/or crimes by illegals coming here for jobs, not drug smuggling. illegals coming here for jobs, for the most part, keep a low profile so as not to get deported. as for getting rid of them, bust the employers.

"Though in the past most of the nabbings stemmed from domestic-violence incidents, now the majority are linked to drug-trafficking and human-smuggling operations that pervade the Arizona corridor. . . . "Most of the time, our victims are as bad as our suspects," says Sgt. Phil Roberts. "

there is a hugely simple solution . . . legalize drugs and stop americans from shipping guns to mexico.

ellen

[UTUSN]

7. It's some of YOUR fellow Americans who are CHOOSING to pay undocumenteds OVER you.

The undocumenteds don't just MAGICALLY APPEAR and steal your job. You know "Supply and Demand," don't you: Put your lips together and BLOW.

[joeglow3]

10. I have ALWAYS said go after BOTH the employer and the employee

Thus, what is your point???

[EC]

13. The point is there are already Fed laws she could have used

mainly going after the employer...she chose not to...she instead wants to harrass anyone with dark skin and hair. She also wants to hamper the cops by making them targets to the citizens, by adding that little bit about sueing officers you believe aren't doing their job of harrassment to your satisfaction...this will be a mess if allowed to go on...can you imagine someone with a grudge against the cops?

She also cut the police force and other jobs to help balance her budget. The cops have been saying that she has shrunk the force to the point where they can't do their jobs already...So in my opinion she created the problem and is using this law as the scapegoat instead of putting law enforcement back on the streets (which would increase her budget).

[Romulox]

19. You're not making sense. The Obama administration is in charge of ICE, not the Arizona governor.

She couldn't "have used...." "Fed laws". The Federal government has to do so, and the Obama administration is refusing. :hi:

[ProudDad]

61. Here's sense

She was plummeting in the polls against the Tea Party (even more bat-shit crazy) candidate in the puke primary...

A neo-nazi FUCK named Russell Pearce and his WHITE right-wing bigot friends in the Legislature passed it mainly to suppress the Hispanic vote, now and in the future...

That waste of skin Jan Brewer was happy to sign this crap -- and it worked, according to the right-wing republican Rasmussen push poll of "likely Arizona voters" answered the loaded question in such a way that they could claim that 69% of "Likely Arizona (mostly republican) voters" favored the law.

Of course, none of them read it or if they did read it would understand it...

But, luckily the boys at the Department of Justice read it and even the appeasing Obama Admin. had to file suit against an obviously unconstitutional piece of racist shit.

The Obama administration is NOT "refusing" to enforce the law. They are busting, holding (in terrible conditions) and deporting tens of thousands of good people every year.

But, the Obama administration, unlike the racist bigoted fucks who run Arizona, can actually reason. And they realize that there isn't enough money or troops or border control agents to arrest 12 million (mostly hard-working, contributing) members of society and toss them across the border...not to mention the loss to the economy that their departure would precipitate.

SO. It's a bullshit law, will never go into effect and my brown brothers and sisters will take over this state within 20 years as the racist white fucks who voted for those right-wing assholes in the Legislature die off...

[joeglow3]

74. Why is the DOJ not going after sancturary cities?

They are obligated under Federal law to turn over known illegals to ICE. Yet, they have passed laws saying they will flat out ignore Federal law. This seems to be an obvious example of a "patchwork of local laws."

I understand the benefit of gaining a whole new demographic who will vote in large majorities for us. However, the ends does NOT justify the means. We are better than the Thugs (who fully support pissing all over our laws to their own gains).

[MarkInSavannah]

79. One Problem

I have an associate who works in the Savannah field office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and he concedes that the federal government (ICE) and other Homeland Security Agencies are stretched way to thin to effectively enforce their own laws. While he is somewhat embarrassed by AZ's need to draw up this law, he also sounds as if he supports it. I think it overly simplistic to simply state that those who support this law are racists and caution those who believe it to be the center pillar of their thinking.

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Ugly.

[joeglow3]

11. I agree. Seeing my father's friends homeless when I was growing up WAS ugly.

Sad that so many Democrats support a practice the killed all the unions here and sent so many working class American to the streets.

[bongbong]

14. Blaming the victim

The corporations and the politicians killed the unions by getting laws passed allowing non-unionized labor. Nobody else. If the rich Fat Cats could ship in boatloads of other nationalities to work even cheaper than Mexicans they would lay off the Mexicans in about .004 nanoseconds.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. How's that the fault of the workers? You're blaming the wrong group of people.

[joeglow3]

34. I blame both.

Sorry, but someone who sneaks here, knowing it is wrong, acquires fake documents, knowing it is wrong and hides, knowing it is wrong, is NOT innocent.

[frylock]

38. you're talking about of both sides of your ass..

you want us to feel compassion about your fam damn near losing their homes? so go right ahead and go on the record stating that if you had an opportunity to provide for your family, to keep them off the streets and fed, that you wouldn't sneak here, knowing it is wrong, aquire fake documents, knowing it is wrong and hide, knowing it is wrong (is your fucking record stuck?!). go ahead and FUCKING DENY that you would do just that. you have NO fucking idea how difficult it is to gain legal citizenship. fucking clueless.

[joeglow3]

49. I never said any of that

I understand what they are doing. However, it does NOT make it right. In their situation, I would most likely do the exact same thing. That said, I would also expect punishment if caught.

Speaking out of both sides of your ass, how do you feel about companies outsourcing jobs to India & China? It is the EXACT SAME THING as this, except done legally.

[frylock]

75. and that's exactly why the govt needs to come down hard on employers hiring undocumented workers..

this practice would come to a screeching halt if the people like the CEO for Tyson had to spend hard time in the slam. Of course that's never going happen.

[joeglow3]

76. One state is looking at that

I can't remember which one (Oklahama or Utah). They want to pass a law like Arizona's but wanted to add the right for the state to seize property of any company knowingly employing illegals. I think that is great.

[DatManFromNawlins]

57. They flat out don't fucking care about you

They care about the 10-15 million new voters with D next to their names, and they're willing to sell the border states and wage laborers out to get it.

[ProudDad]

63. They're even more afraid of Hispanic CITIZENS! (n/t)

[LostinVA]

73. Wait, so this is teh fault of the DEMOCRATS now???

How did you make that leap, from Brewer?

[ProudDad]

62. Quit with the right-wing republican bullshit, PLEASE?!?~~?

PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

"Do immigrants take American jobs? It’s a common refrain among those who want to tighten limits on legal immigration and deny a "path to citizenship" — which they call "amnesty" — to the millions of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally. There’s even a new Reclaim American Jobs Caucus in the House, with at least 41 members.

"But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers."

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/

[Romulox]

20. Calling displaced workers "racist" as your only move is ugly.

I agree.

[Mimosa]

52. Mexico and other oligarchic govs want the USA as the pressure valve

Mexico is huge and blesed with natural resources. But the oligarchs keep the wealth concentrated.

Why should poor people be forced escape their own country?

My AZ Hispanic relatives who live near the border support the 1070 law. They have lived with the broken border and non-enforcement for years.

[ProudDad]

65. Two words, "Stockholm Syndrom" (n/t)

[Romulox]

69. Not many realize how wealthy Mexico is...the oligarchs have a lot of "useful idiots" in el norte...

that is for sure.


I don't support the law as written, but I understand that one cannot demand that a localized power vacuum (i.e. an uncontrolled border and an uncontrolled labor market) be maintained; it is not the nature of power vacuums to be contained.

[MadMaddie]

26. joeglow3 then why doesn't she ACTIVELY go after the companies

that hire the illegal immigrants? The companies cut corners and put your family at risk.

If there is not a market provided for these people to come over they wouldn't come over.

She is protecting businesses.

What about the legal American Hispanics that live there. If they have a slight accent they can be picked up. Is that okay? Must they (Americans) show their papers? How can the law be implemented without forcing anyone of Hispanic origin not to show papers?

Brewer must go after the businesses and quit protecting them. That is within her power and yet she does nothing.

[JonLP24]

30. To be fair

Sheriff Joe does workplace raids all the time which has been a source of controversy when he raided Mesa Public Library and Mesa City Hall in the middle of the night looking for janitors that were here illegally without notifying the mayor. His sweeps were also critized by the former Police Chief of Mesa because he did so without notifying. The former Police Chief is now the head of the San Francisco Police Department. Plus he's been sued multiple times for improperly targeting Hispanic and Latino residents.

However East Valley Tribune exposed that with all the time and money spent going after illegal immigrants they have suffered in all other areas such as response time. They also fail to investigate serious crimes like they closed the case of rape of a 15 year old girl before DNA testing was even complete.

[MadMaddie]

31. The work place raids are okay as far as I am concerned

but it still is going after the illegal workers. They have to go after the employers to make a true impact.

I do see other police work being impacted by this law. Officers will be tied up with this law. Such as the rape of the child you mentioned and other serious crimes.

Now watch as the crime increases how Brewer and others will try to draw a link somewhere.

[rbixby]

36. I agree

As long as its cheaper for the employer to pay the fines than to hire legal workers, this practice will continue.

[EFerrari]

51. Work place raids are not okay with me because ICE

doesn't have anyone doing good oversight and people have died in their custody and in horrible ways.

[pinboy3niner]

55. Workplace sweeps ALSO divert resources from crime and result..

...in less safety and security.

According to a DHS spokesman:

"This administration is focused on smart, effective immigration enforcement that focuses first on those dangerous criminal aliens who present the greatest risk to the security of our communities, not sweeps or raids to target undocumented immigrants indiscriminately."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/dhs-corrects-report-that-overs.html

[JonLP24]

28. Her and Russell Pearce aren't doing jack shit

for working class families. Illegal immigration has gone down since the 90's and businesses here are closing left and right. In the 90's you know who the largest employer was? Motorola-They are in China thanks to free trade. Now the largest employer is Wal*Mart. They are not at all focused on job creation and focusing on stuff that isn't important like changing the 14th Amendment.

[Angry Dragon]

29. How about shutting down the companies that hired them??

[joeglow3]

35. Agreed.

About a decade ago, a $150M+ convention center was being built (now the Qwest Center in Omaha). The drywall company who won the bid (E&K) was using illegals. Their union (Local 444) contacted the city, the state, federal government, E&K & the general contractor. Nobody did a damn thing.

Finally, they got the Omaha World Herald to run an article on it. Suddenly, everyone was shocked and was going to deal with it. In reality, the illegals were shifted to other jobs and all the legal workers were brought into this job.

I think you need to go after EVERYONE who is knowningly breaking the law, including those who knowingly refuse to enforce said laws.

Like I said earlier, my family was close to losing our home on multiple occasions. My mon had to make our clothes growing up. THis only happened when my father's wages dropped big time after the influx of illegals into our market. Frankly, 20+ years later and the same shit is going on. While I want all parties held accountable, I want this destructive policy stopped yesterday.

[MadMaddie]

39. Don't forget that McCain has been a Senator for most of those

20 years and has done nothing to protect those borders. This should be hammered home again and again, he is the government and a Repuglican.

[joeglow3]

50. Agreed.

[frylock]

37. really?!

why don't you take that up with the shithead contractors that are hiring them to save a few bucks? fuck jan brewer and her racist ilk.

[EFerrari]

40. She's not sticking up for working class Americans. On the contrary,

this law puts all working class Americans who are Latino at risk of unnecessary police contact.

[SargeUNN]

58. what a pile of crap

Want to tell us the real story now?

[ProudDad]

59. Check it out...

That's a republican lie...

Undocumented Immigrants rarely take "american's jobs"...

Stop passing off right-wing racist bullshit, please...

PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

"Do immigrants take American jobs? It’s a common refrain among those who want to tighten limits on legal immigration and deny a "path to citizenship" — which they call "amnesty" — to the millions of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally. There’s even a new Reclaim American Jobs Caucus in the House, with at least 41 members.

"But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers."

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/

[Lance_Boyle]

77. How about YOU educate YOURSELF - notice the LACK of the word ILLEGAL

in the text you lift from factcheck. You're not going to find anyone here arguing that IMMIGRANTS cost this country good jobs. Nobody has a problem with IMMIGRANTS. ILLEGAL ALIENS are another matter entirely, and they DO COST JOBS.

Why are so many people on your side of this discussion so relentlessly DECEPTIVE in deliberately conflating IMMIGRANTS with ILLEGAL ALIENS? You do nobody any favors with the nonstop attempts to muddy the water.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

80. Did I step into Republican Underground by mistake?

First, people wanting to have Rand Paul's children. Now this?

[Steve20]

9. re

The feds should do a better job of securing the border.

[Romulox]

21. It's lame for the Feds to say "Only WE can enforce immigration laws!"

When everybody can see that they aren't doing so. So the Obama admin is suing for the right to allow US law to go unenforced.

[JonLP24]

25. Passing a law does not equal enforcement

Let me ask how does one "reasonable suspect" someone is here illegally?

Frankly I support Obama over Russell Pearce, Kris Kobach, and Sheriff Joe.

[EFerrari]

42. That's not true on several levels. One, the Feds set immigration policy,

not the states. Two, the Feds are running a huge and growing program out of ICE called "Secure Communities" which is all about enlisting the states and locals in enforcement. Three, this administration is much more active in enforcing immigration laws than anyone since before Reagan. The right wing is telling you different and they're wrong.

[Romulox]

45. Four, the President is going to ask us to give amnesty to some 10-15 million people.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

46. And how would that change anything except that our wages will go up?

:hi:

ETA: He won't do that. I bet you a large pepperoni pizza!

[Romulox]

47. LOL. Wages didn't go up after the *last* amnesty (quite the contrary)

Now I am not positing a direct causal relationship between amnesty for illegal aliens and the 30 year trend in wages, but there is absolutely no factual (not to say logical) basis to assert that this amnesty will cause wages to rise any more than did the last one. Especially when the President and his allies assert the alleged "impossibility" of enforcing extant labor law. :hi:

"ETA: He won't do that. I bet you a large pepperoni pizza!"

Is this a reference to a tombstone? Ha. Very good.

[EFerrari]

48. Oh, no! I really just meant pizza! An actual entree!

The thing is, when more people can defend themselves, fewer employers can coerce their labor, that's all.

Reagan's trip was multi-faceted. He hit wages on more than one front. I hear you -- I started working to support my family in 1974, about the same time that wages went flat.

[Mimosa]

53. True. Some of us have memories. n/t

[ProudDad]

64. What is it? Is this let's pass a right-wing meme day?

The Obama administration is NOT "refusing" to enforce the law. They are busting, holding (in terrible conditions) and deporting tens of thousands of good people every year.

But, the Obama administration, unlike the racist bigoted fucks who run Arizona, can actually reason. And they realize that there isn't enough money or troops or border control agents to arrest 12 million (mostly hard-working, contributing) members of society and toss them across the border...not to mention the loss to the economy that their departure would precipitate.

SO. It's a bullshit law, will never go into effect and my brown brothers and sisters will take over this state within 20 years as the racist white fucks who voted for those right-wing assholes in the Legislature die off...

[Romulox]

68. The Obama administration is giving employers a complete pass, just like W did.

You can continue to demolish all the "right wing" strawmen you like; the Obama admin has done nothing to show it is interested in holding employers accountable.

In fact, the "it's either deport 12 million or give the Chamber of Commerce everything it wants-no in between, and it is impossible to enforce labor laws!" is the right-wing meme. :hi:

[LanternWaste]

81. Or suing to prevent fifty separate immigration policies

Or suing to prevent fifty separate immigration policies (as per WH CoS). One hypothesis being just as valid as the other you see.

I imagine we see what we want to see, and deduce what we want to deduce.

[superconnected]

33. Go Arizona! Gestapo of the US! And may they get as much publicity as posible showing real Repubican

values - GO ARIZONA!!!! I love how this crap divides the GOP and makes them tea baggers. :)

[Mimosa]

54. That is low.

My hispanic/native american relatives who live in Cochise County are not Gestapo. You live in Seattle, you don't even know what the problems are when drug cartels are establishing bases in your area.

[superconnected]

56. Being Hispanic or Native American does not make anyone less racist.

The truth is there's just as much racism among those groups as any other.

[Mimosa]

78. It's not about racism, it's about crime

People don't feel safe. They used to be safer in traveling in their own counties, living in their own homes.

BTW, did you see the big warning signs the federal Gov erected in public wilderness areas stating that the areas were risky and people should stay out? Instead of protecting the public in AZ they are warning them.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/az-gov-jan-brewers-smart-new-border-ad-challenges-obama-to-do-his-job/


Excerpt:

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, who is up for election this November, is throwing her hat in YouTube campaign commercial ring. Brewer, perhaps taking a page from John McCain, filmed her new spot 80 miles from the AZ border in front of new signs erected by the Federal government this month warning visitors that traveling in the desert is not safe because it is a “active drug and human smuggling area” and that visitors may encounter armed vehicles. Says Brewer:

"Two weeks ago I met with President Obama, he promised that we would get word from his administration on what he would do to secure the border, well, we finally got the message…these signs…These signs warning people of danger and telling them to stay away…I’m 80 miles away from the border and only 30 miles away from Arizona’s capital. This is an outrage! Washington says our border is as safe as it’s ever been. Does this look safe to you?"

Safe to say, the answer for most people is no. Some background on the signs: The federal government has erected them near the desert recreation area south of Interstate 8 between Casa Grande and Gila Bend. From the Phoenix News:

The signs were suggested by rangers who work the area after a rash of violence and shootings related to drug and human smugglers, according to the Bureau of Land Management.

Federal Law Enforcement Rangers began reporting increased danger in the area a year ago. Since January there have been at least 12 incidents involving gun violence within the land managed by BLM.

[ProudDad]

66. End the phony "war on drugs(tm)"

and end all of the "drug cartel" bullshit...

It's true that most of the problems of the border are caused by the one-sided (USAmerican) drug war.

End the phony drug war, decriminalize and it would END...

The next step would be to end rapacious USAmerican economic policies that destroy the local economies of the people who live in rural Mexico, make reparations to rebuild their local economies (hell, while we're at it, rebuild the local economies HERE in USAmerica) and this "problem" would all but disappear too.

But border walls and racist laws ain't gonna do shit but make things worse...

[ProudDad]

67. Good NEWS!!! (n/t)

[SargeUNN]

70. Brewer cancels annual meeting of border governors

Source: Arizona Republic

Gov. Jan Brewer has called off a September border conference in Phoenix due to Mexican governors' objections to Arizona's tough new immigration enforcement law, though some officials are discussing holding the annual gathering elsewhere.

It was Arizona's turn to host the 28th annual U.S.-Mexico Border Governors Conference for four U.S. governors and six from Mexico. But Brewer said Wednesday the meeting was canceled because the Mexican governors planned to boycott it.


Brewer said she was disappointed about the boycott and hoped the governors of New Mexico, Texas and California would support her decision.

"The people of Arizona and the people of America support what Arizona has done," Brewer said. "For them to basically not attend here because of that, I think is unfair."

However, the governors of New Mexico and California are trying to go ahead with the conference in another state, with or without Arizona's participation, spokesmen said.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/07/07/20100707arizona-governor-cancels-border-meeting.html#ixzz0t2ij3SeC



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/07/07/20100707arizona-governor-cancels-border-meeting.html

[niyad]

71. she called off a meeting that nobody was planning to attend?

[notadmblnd]

72. Hmmm.. Makes me wonder why the Govs of the 10 other US border states weren't mentioned?

No Canadian officials mentioned either.