Tibetan cultural figures 'detained after protests'

[cory777]

Source: BBC

International observers have called for action following accusations that China has been arresting leading Tibetan writers, poets and musicians in a crackdown on cultural figures, as The World Tonight's Paul Moss reports.

The lyrics of the song are not exactly subtle: "The occupation and denial of freedom of Tibetans/This is torture without trace."

Another sounds a note of defiance: "Courageous patriotic martyrs/Have sacrificed their lives for Tibet/It pains my heart thinking of them/And the tears fall from my eyes."

Defiant the words may be, but they appear to have cost their writer his freedom.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10416699.stm

[glinda]

1. And Countries turn a blind eye to what China is doing to Tibet.

[Bonobo]

2. Don't expect much sympathy here.

Here are some of the "gems" I picked up from the last discussion about the Dalai Lama here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4433568

"Bag of fart"

"he's yet another religious huckster"

"That "man of peace" is a misogynist, homophobic ballbag."

[Odin2005]

3. That thread was shocking.

[David__77]

4. Is the Dalai Lama involved here?

Dalai Lama is a private figure and not part of any political movement any more. I think China should engage him and forge points of unity. Dalai Lama has already stated that he sees Tibet as a legitimate part of the People's Republic of China - they can't be too far apart any more.

[Bonobo]

5. "Dalai Lama has stated he sees Tibet as a legitimate part of China"

Please provide a link to support this claim.

[sam sarrha]

7. as a part of china they have the right to Autonomy and some self rule, it's a chess game. only game

in town..

[David__77]

11. "Please provide claim for fact Elvis is dead."

http://www.google.com/search?q=dalai%20lama%20%22not%20seek%20independence%22&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw

Some things are very well known. Dalai Lama's views on this matter fall into this category.

[Bonobo]

13. Ha ha. That was lame.

"Not seek independence" is hardly the same as admitting that Tibet is a "legitimate part of China".

You got caught making a misleading and mostly false statement.

[David__77]

15. If it is not legitimate part of China, why oppose seeking independence?

I thought he had a change of heart when he resigned posts in the independence movement and declared himself a private figure. If that is not true, I'd really like to know it, because I had thought there was basis for dialogue between China and Dalai Lama. If he is really still a separatist, then there is not such a basis.

[Bonobo]

16. If it seems politically or militarily impossible, why demand it now?

Why not play the waiting game and take it or try for it at a later date.

That's why.

But the real question is: Do you not see the difference between saying "it is a legitimate part of China" (like you CLAIMED he said)

and saying "We have given up demanding independence at this time".

Were you intentionally misleading or do you truly not see the difference?

You went suddenly from claiming that your statement was as true as saying that Elvis is dead to equivocating to the point of embarrassment.

Why do you want to fling dirt on the Dalai Lama that badly?

[David__77]

17. Why do you think he still advocates indepedence?

I think there is a difference between tactically recognizing independence is "currently" not feasible to changing one's entire strategy and dropping independence altogether. I believe he's done the latter and not the former, and I see no evidence to the contrary... It wouldn't be the first time he changed his mind on this question. What makes you think he still supports a separate state?

I agree with Dalai Lama that Marxism is good and think he must have a positive contribution to make. Why not apply the "one country, many systems" policy to Tibet, as it is applied to Macau and Hong Kong?

[David__77]

18. Dalai Lama actively promotes remaining part of China

Since the Dalai Lama was driven out of Tibet 44 years ago by the Chinese takeover, he has never been back. But he said that he ''certainly'' expected that China would eventually allow him and other Tibetans living in exile to return. He long ago abandoned the goal of independence from China. Instead, he says, he seeks autonomy.

The Chinese government has relocated many Han Chinese into Tibet as part of its strategy to assimilate the region. The Dalai Lama said he was concerned about this ''population transfer,'' and had pressed this point in his meetings with President Bush and members of Congress.

The Chinese are now building a rail line through Tibet that will ease Chinese settlement there. But the Dalai Lama said that the line was ''basically welcome'' because it could help economic development.

He said one reason he advocated that Tibet remain part of China is that ''we are materially very much backward.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/18/us/dalai-lama-says-terror-may-need-a-violent-reply.html

Nothing is frozen forever. If, in the future, there are cultural, economic, political, or military condition for any area to be independent, then such demand may arise. But why is it painful to admit the Dalai Lama opposes Tibet independence? Why not admit that he recognizes it should remain with China? I don't know if he used word "legitimate," but is that really the key point when it's plain he seeks no independence and wants Tibet to remain with China?

[sam sarrha]

6. he is a Buddhist, he is inclined to want to do things nonviolently.. what's your beef with that.?

[Bonobo]

9. What on Earth makes you think I have a problem with that, Sam? nt

[sam sarrha]

8. why do Haters always pick on Nobel Peace Prize winners.. ?

[Bonobo]

10. Do you have a point?

3 posts in this thread and I have no idea what you are trying to say?

Why not condense into one post that makes no sense instead of three?

[sam sarrha]

12. why bother, you dont get it...

[Bonobo]

14. I don't get 3 meaningless posts that look like they came from a random word generator? nt