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Ed Barrow Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:32 PM
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BP comment about 'small people' causes anger
Source: Associated Press

The BP chairman's comment that the oil giant cares about "the small people" has received an icy reception from residents along the Gulf Coast.

BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg told reporters in Washington today: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."

...

Terry Hanners, who is retired from state and federal law enforcement and has a small construction company in Gulf Shores, said the "small people" remark revealed something about BP's frame of mind.

"These BP people I've met are good folks. I've got a good rapport with them," said Hanners, 74. "But BP does not care about us. They are so far above us. We are the nickel-and-dime folks of this world."


Read more: http://blog.al.com/huntsville-times-business/2010/06/bp_comment_about_small_people.html
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:35 PM
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1. I think that's embarrassing to those who are taking offense - it was clearly
a language/translation slip. He would never come out and say that, even if it was true.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:38 PM
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3. Yeah....but Small people? I didn't like that wording at all.....
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 03:39 PM by FrenchieCat
and I'm sure the President didn't appreciate it eiter.

this guy could have said he cared about the people.
Ain't nothing small about any of us....especially,
when some guy who runs a giant corporation from another country
used those words over and over again.

It rubbed me the wrong way, and I wasn't looking to feel that way.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:44 PM
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4. I think he was trying to indicate small businesses and individual fishermen, etc. He said
BP had been criticized for not caring about the "small" people and he wanted to reassure that they DO care about the "small" people. Unfortunate choice of words and I think it's due to the language.

But the important thing is Obama got them to agree to what we wanted (I heard on the news there were negotiations, BP offering $10, then $15, but we were steadfast) and that these people WILL be getting help.

And for what it's worth, I don't really think they DO care about the "small" people beyond how much money it's going to cost them.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:31 PM
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26. Yep, SMALL BUSINESSES, etc. Obama was talkin to them about 'small business' earlier in the day. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:10 AM
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86. All the more reason for him to have said "small businesses," rather than "small people."
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 08:20 AM by No Elephants
I'm sure Obama never used the term "small people," so why would conversations with Obama shed light on what this clown "really' meant when he said "small people?" If there's any English word I'd bet he understands, it would be "business." (Second guess would be "business owner.")

Pls. see also Replies 84 and 85.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:23 PM
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40. It was a Freudian slip, but I believe it was meant.
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:38 PM by FREEWILL56
Many may think BP is really doing their part and owning up to this disaster by offering $20 billion (dividends to shareholders suspended). Give me a break. That doesn't even come close to the damages and that's only the human end of things I speak of as nature they can't put a price on. Much in nature may not recover from this and what does recover may take a very very long time. They couldn't care less about anybody or any thing else as they just want us off of their backs so they can get on with their lives. This kind of criminal corporate arrogance makes me sick and this so called president we have better get out of the hind ends of all of the big corporations' asses as we the people are not being listened to. Wasn't it Obama that said it is time for change? I see more of the same except bush (cough) had more kahunas. I guess president sissy-pants apologized and told them he was sorry to have interrupted their lives over at BP. Come on as many in BP should be in jail for this in addition to more $ and better efforts on their part. Obama let BP take charge of it and that is like letting the wolf put the hen-house back together after he ate all of them. No real punishment and no real viable solutions to the problems.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:14 PM
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49. He said "small people."
That indicates one fucked up motherfucker to me.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:33 PM
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54. i think he meant DWARFS.... geez for the love of god, he just meant the people who were hurt...
I AM A LIBERAL
I AM A PROGRESSIVE
I DONT LIKE MANY BIG BUSINESSES....

BUT FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF GOD HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT "PLAIN FOLKS WHO ARE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE OF THE SPILL"

---- WE HAVE A LOT OF GRIEF WITH THESE PEOPLE BUT FOR THE LOVE OF IT ALL THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE....
WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE SAY THAT THEY WAY YOU ARE TAKING IT....
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:18 AM
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87. Pls. see Reply 84, 8 and 86.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:50 PM
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105. No he didn't.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 12:59 PM by ronnie624
He meant exactly what elites have always meant throughout history when they 'look down' upon the working class. Executives of gigantic corporations do not attain their station by caring about "small" people.

By the way, screeching and cursing does not make your point any more valid or interesting.
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
52. I think people are getting their panties in a bunch
for nothing. I think it's a language thing, nothing more.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:47 AM
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92. Americans don't often experience the nuance of different languages
English is not this man's first language.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:51 AM
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84. that's what BP claimed AFTER people got offended. truth is, no one but him knows what he meant.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 08:21 AM by No Elephants
We have no reason to either accept or reject the after the fact explanation. It could be simply self-serving attempt at back pedaling.

It's a side issue anyway.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:33 PM
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53. presumptious, paternalistic, hide-bound class consciousness, noblesse oblige and all of that
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:47 PM
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7. Psst... the British speak English. No translation involved.
Just arrogance.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:48 PM
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8. He is Swedish
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and want to believe he meant common people instead of small. But meh, I'll save my empathy for someone else.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:50 PM
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10. "Sma folket" is pretty rude in Svenska too.
n/t
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hopiakuta Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:00 AM
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100. små folket ; Just how much more must we be små folketed over & over?

små folket ; Just how much more must we be små folketed over & over?

småfolkets ?

småfolket ?

små folkets ?

Not so sweet Swede, not swayed, nor suede, but pseudo "...care about the small people,...", nor Soweto.

&, what does Svenska Dagbladet say, dag blast it, hot dang blast it?

Um, how about boiling in English petroleum, toil & trouble?


Can Dagens Nyheter turn the heater on?

Does Göteborgs-Posten want us to be Europe's Gotham cyborg?


DonFphrnqTaub Persina





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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:07 AM
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101. LOL
Thanks for the å...and the laughs!
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hopiakuta Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #101
109. More commentary & questions from this tall fat småll folk,...
More commentary & questions from this tall fat småll folk,...

Some of Anthony Bryan Hayward's today testimony, Thursday, seventeenth, June, 2010...:

"The explosion and fire aboard the Deepwater Horizon and the resulting oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico never should have happened — and I am deeply sorry that they did.

"When I learnt that eleven men had lost their lives, I was personally devastated. Three weeks ago, I attended a memorial service for those men, and it was a shattering moment. I want to offer my sincere condolences to their friends and families — I can only begin to imagine their sorrow.


"I understand how serious this situation is. It **** is **** a tragedy. I want to speak directly to the people who live and work in the Gulf region: I know that this incident has had a profound impact on your lives and caused great turmoil, and I deeply regret that.

"I also deeply regret the impact the spill has had on the environment, the wildlife and the ecosystem of the Gulf,........"





"To sum up: I understand the seriousness of the situation and the concerns, frustrations, and fears that have been and will continue to be voiced. I know that only actions and results, and not mere words, ultimately can give you the confidence you seek.

"I give my pledge as the leader of bovine projectile, English Petrol, that we will not rest until we make this right; we are a strong company, and no resources will be spared. We and the entire industry will learn from this terrible event and emerge from it stronger, smarter and safer."

... Because virtually the same script had been so convincing as television commercials,....


Is England watching this?

Is Sverige watching this fraud?

Please, could someone check the various news, posten, tidning, nyhet, & translate, such as the sources Svenska Dagbladet, Dagens Nyheter, Göteborgs-Posten, Sydsvenska Dagbladet, Aftonbladet, Expressen, Metro International?

I do know that many English, you know about England, American Revolution, much of England is angry that we might complain: the English economy is more important than either the World Ocean, Earth Ocean, or the United States of American economy. This explosion proves that England has decided that the American Revolution has not yet ended.

I had checked bbcamerica once; they are not carrying this hearing. This past month I have attempted to find alternatives to bbc: today is the first time in @ least that time that I had gone to bbcamerica for @ least that long, of even four seconds. A bbcamerican? Certainly much less so.


I do infer that Macondo is a description, designation, of a community, a village, that became a tornado of capitalist greed, corruption, destruction. Possibly, this macondominium should have worn a better condom, barrier device, better blowout preventer.



http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4429665

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4429665

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4429665


Shred all royalty, shred all monarchy, abolish electoral-college, abolish corporate personhood; I am an abolitionist.


Has anyone made a list of how many times Tony Heywood Jablaume has said "I was not aware of,..."? He is a billionaire geologist; what has he ever been aware of? A billionaire should have more numeracy than I do.



Thank You,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:43 AM
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110. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:34 PM
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28. Not sure
Don't most European countries teach English in their schools. I am sure that pretty much any CEO of an international corporation is going to speak English pretty well. I think this is very indicative of the 'class warfare' not only in this country but in the world. The 'haves' see themselves as better, more important and in general just more deserving people and their general attitude about the 'small people' is 'why should I care about you if your poor its all your fault now get back to work'.
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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:09 PM
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35. the english speak english as well strangely ;)
this guy is swdish however,

i think its an attempt at 'fighting for the little guy'....which is a sentiment heard often.

BP, however are complete fuck ups so no surprise they got it wrong
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:09 PM
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36. Psst... the folks in Sweden speak Swedish. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #36
90. they speak English, too. And he knows enough English to head BRITISH Petroleum. See also Reply 10.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 08:43 AM by No Elephants
the phrase is very similar in both languages.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:40 PM
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46. He's not British - English is not his first language. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:54 AM
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94. Please see Reply 90.
Most educated people in the world are a lot better at languages than we are and most grow up bilingual, tri-lingual or even more. My cousins grew up speakig four languages. A "second" language is a very meaningful and significant concept in the U.S., not necessarily abroad.
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
55. Ummm...the guy who spoke those words...
isn't English.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #55
89. Please see Reply #10.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:10 PM
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37. actually, its what you say under pressure that too often is the most
accurate and true. they do think we are small people or they wouldn't have concluded they could go on the cheap because the dead people that might come out of it would only factor to about 10 million dollars each. may they burn in hell.
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mvonkroeker Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:55 PM
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61. "Small" people or not...
...at least we're not the ones with countless oily, half dead (soon to be dead) albatrosses around our necks!

BP will never, ever, EVER live this down!! I applaud thier nightmare!!
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
76. Yea, and nobody ever would have said "I want my life back" either. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #76
91. Well, not when addressing the small people, anyway. And yet.....
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
79. He probably meant to say "Lilliputians"
but couldn't think of the word.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:08 AM
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85. "He would never come out and say that" And you know that how?
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 08:26 AM by No Elephants
The very similar phrase "litte people," got discredited in this country because of comedians who mocked Academy Award winners who, in their acceptance speeches, thanked "all the little people," like grips and camera operators (then accurately called cameramen).

Until the mocking, the people who used the term thought they were being gracious to the otherwise unsung production crew, not that they were, in the process, also revealing how they categorized those less wealthy, less powerful and less famous than themselves.

Without our cultural history, perhaps the chair of BP was also revealing how he thinks. Or perhaps not. (See Reeply 84.) But I see no reason to assume that someone in charge of a company with so many safety violations (for workers--I'm sure the directors' well-being was seen to) is at heart nothing but egalitarian.
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:59 AM
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104. Midgets are up in arms!!!
n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:38 PM
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2. Small people cut corners to make money for themselves. Small
people lie to cover their asses. Small people don't care about small animals. Small people get other small people in government to give them breaks or look the other way. Small people don't bother to check whether their experts are still alive or died five years ago. Fuck the small people at BP. The motherfuckers.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:46 PM
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6. yup!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:45 PM
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5. "Only small people pay taxes"
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:49 PM
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9. Reminds me of >>
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. Oh crap! That post should have a warning on it.
I about jumped out of my chair.

But, yeh, I agree. Same mindset exactly. The BP execs sure do have a tough time hiding their contempt.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:34 PM
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44. no shit...
my heart palpitated
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:33 PM
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27. Shriek!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:24 AM
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88. Donkiey!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:16 PM
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50. FUCK! Give a warning before a pic like that!
Jesus Christ I about shit my pants in horror.
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VermeerLives Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:53 PM
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59. Right
Leona also had contempt for the "little people." I also found that remark offensive, even if he meant it differently. Poor choice of words, IMO.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:09 PM
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69. have mercy
try to imagine waking up every morning and seeing *that* looking back at you in the mirror. :scared:
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:51 PM
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11. No, he said exactly what he meant. He sees the people as "less than"..

less important
less powerful
less than BP
and
less than him.

Don't apologize for him. If he didn't mean it, he shouldn't say it. And he is a big boy, fully capable of using some of the billions of dollars their company has made while this is going on to put himself on tv to apologize if he didn't.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:51 PM
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12. shades of Helmsley: "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes..."
:puke:
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:55 PM
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13. it's that club that we don't belong to, and we're never going to
belong to it.

There's a whole world of difference between what gadzillionaires do and what 55K a year aires do., or 125K a year aires.

We're those invisible gnats that keep the wheels turning for them. That's all.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:09 PM
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18. ^ Amen! You've got it. ^
Onethatcares: "There's a whole world of difference between what gadzillionaires do and what 55K a year aires do., or 125K a year aires."

I just talked with somebody who seems to think like that and doesn't understand people who can't afford to put money by or take vacations. They think it's a matter of simple financial planning. *gag*

Yes, the meaning was the same as when Leona Helmsley referred to the 'little people'. It means people who are beneath ordinary notice of the wealthy.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:25 PM
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41. The Club for Growth
at any fucking price.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:03 PM
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14. I guarantee
There are a lot of people in Washington who regard us as the "little people", They're just careful not to say it when there are any microphones around.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:05 PM
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15. He searched for a 'better word,' but needed one going in.
TOO BAD. LOTS of things to be upset about here.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:05 PM
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16. My GAWD PEople! How much more do you want?
He said BP cares about you small insignificant peons! What more do you want from them?

As a large section of the country literally dies and we bear untold costs in money and our health, remember BP cares about us.

It just didn't care enough to spend any money to prevent these kinds of disasters.

OR to put it mathematically..

Small People< Money
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:35 PM
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45. the fucker
didn't even send us any cake :)
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Jumping John Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:09 PM
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17. Well eleven of their employees are dead and I
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:42 PM by Jumping John
have formulated an opinion, from what I have seen and read, that the payoff of getting that well in was of more importance to BP management than the safety of the people on the rig.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:14 PM
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21. Yes, it was, but they had no idea of the LARGER unintended consequences.
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Jumping John Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:41 PM
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29. One of the small people did because he got his affairs in order and
drew up a will before he was scheduled to got back to his job on the rig.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:11 PM
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19. I heard they want their life back too
Yeah, I know it was Hayward who said that but still...

:puke:
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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:11 PM
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20. Hey,the big people always take care of us,right?
No worries,mate.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:21 PM
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23. He meant people of short-stature
Seriously, come on people. He obviously meant the 'little people'. Bad PR but is this what everyone needs to focus on now?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:24 PM
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24. I'm sure my dear friend (3'8") will be thrilled to learn that BP cares about her
:sarcasm:

'specially seeing as how she's as much of a lefty as I am!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:25 PM
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25. This is a simple mistake in translation. I am sure he was meaning
"Little Guy". Not being American, the terminology can
be confusing?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:45 PM
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30. His world is one populated with elites only
He has no clue as to the great unwashed masses which lie beyond his world.

To him calling non-elite people "little" is a compliment compared to what he really believes about us. The elite have a very dim view of people who are not their kind.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:58 AM
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95. You're sure what was in the mind of someone whom you've never met?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:46 PM
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31. the correct term is midgets n/t
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:06 PM
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32. I hope the Roloffs protest
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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:07 PM
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33. This is the same as 'fighting for the little guy'. i don't think BP would be able
to say anything now however they've fucked up so much.

but many people on DU have talked about what about the little guy.

i think they're trying to reflect that, but as i say they've fucked up so much so anything they say will be held in contempt i think....
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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:07 PM
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34. This is the same as 'fighting for the little guy'. i don't think BP would be able
to say anything now however they've fucked up so much.

but many people on DU have talked about what about the little guy.

i think they're trying to reflect that, but as i say they've fucked up so much so anything they say will be held in contempt i think....
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:14 PM
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38. While he is certainly extremely good in his English...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:16 PM by rasputin1952
he is not fluent. I think this is something that was battered about because of the translation situation.

We talk about, "the little guy" all of the time...and if one wants to be realistic about all of this, we are the "small" or Little guys". Why take offense at something relatively trivial?

He promised that dividends would not be paid, put $20 billion into trust, apologized...pretty darn good considering the horror we've seen. If he sticks to his word, I'm satisfied.

This of course means they have to really get that leak under control...I don't care how much cash gets pushed at people...the leak must be stopped as quickly as possible.



edited: typo's...:blush:
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:51 PM
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47. I agree that this was just a translation error. Nothing more.
We have been talking about the "little guy" all the time, and you may not realize just how much slang we use. I mean really, we use "guy" for just about everything. I was ticked off about the "I just want my life back" comment, but this is a non-issue. Focus your anger, people. This is not worth the effort.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:22 PM
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39. strange, I just read that in a headline and I thought: ARROGANT FUCKS
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:26 PM
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42. ENOUGH !
Oh its sounds good we are putting 20 billion in escrow to help the little people that were hurt by our neglect and greed.

OK smart people where is that 20 billion going to come from? Did BP say all their CEO's were taking pay cuts for the next 20 years? NO !!! The money is going to come from the Little People.

This is all a sham. Your government and BP are and always have been in cahoots.

If Obama really wanted to do something he would have seized BP assets in the U.S. and closed them down for good.

Then he would have told the American people that this disaster was it, no more war for OIL, no more devatstating spills, no more carbon pollution, America would lead the way off of oil once and for all.

There are many ways the government could implement a strategy to get us off oil for good, and not that cap and trade crap either that does nothing more then hurt the Little People....

WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:05 PM
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48. Much of that money will come from people that make a living out of
investing. Some of it will come from common stockholders. Some of it will come from people that have smaller amounts invested through mutual funds or another aspect of the market.

here is the key point though, those that have substantial investment in BP, and did not use their power as shareholders to ensure the company was running a situation they said they were, are going to lose. Investment involves risk, they took the risk and lost...it's as simple as that.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:54 PM
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60. What? You don't know what you are talking about.
BP sells a product its called oil which is refined into Gasoline and sold by their affiliate stations throughout the world, 20 billion, 20 billion, seriously? That is nothing but a small increase in the cost of their product to be passed down to the consumer, passing stricter regulation on Oil Producers and pushing for Carbon taxes on Carbon producers will result in the same small and potential large increases in the cost of the Product being passed down to the consumers (US).

I am not saying that investors don't share some of the pain but hey thats a pay to play situation I have not feelings for them but they are not the only ones that will pay the hardest hit are going to be the CONSUMER me and you.

The majority of us are slaves to Oil, there is no inexpensive alternatives to oil. I hate my electric bill, I loathe the gas pump but really what alternatives are there? Cost increases to oil will cause me to suffer.

How is it fair when BP passes these costs back to the consumer that I, who make roughly $13 per hour will pay the same cost increase as Oprah Winfrey, Tom Cruise, and the various Billionaire CEO's of these companies? Those people do not feel the pain that I will, this is nothing more then common sense. Greed fuels their capitalist hearts.

The only real anwer is that the government should take control of all oil production in the USA and ration the gasoline to the people based on the peoples ability to pay i.e., The rich will pay substantially more per gallon and the less fortunate will pay substantially less. That way we really all have skin in the game and we all will be in agreement that we must get ourselves off of oil.

The government will then implement a transition plan from Oil to an alternative (personally I like the Hydorgen model) The government will use the proceeds that it gets from the OIL etc to subsidize the poor and lower income folks so we will be able to afford a Hydrogen vehicle and the RICH again will be forced to pay substanially higher costs for their Vehicles, the fuel for Hydrogen vehicles is extremely inexpensive it is the vehicle itself that bears the cost.

The government can set a date say no more oil consuming vehicles will be manufactured or sold in the USA and that will solve so many of our problems.

I hate the fact that I have to use carbon produced energy, but guess what thats all the alternative I have so as I conserve and struggle through life the Rich still keep their houses nice and cozy and fuel their limos and private jets, screw that.... Its time for real change and it Obama can't do it then he needs to get gone.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:23 PM
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71. If the cost of BP oil goes up because of the escrow account...
buy your gas somewhere else. Of course, in the long run, that only hurts the local owner of the station.

Petroleum is a fungible product though, so you actually have no idea who's petroleum product you are using. It is sold to the highest bidder, only a percentage of what is recovered from the Gulf is refined and sold in the US. BP does not make it's own price, oil is a commodity and sold through a commodity market. In the scheme of things, if shareholders are not getting a return on their investment, and then bail out of the company...so be it. The oil is still sold at the commodity price...you pay more if the price goes up because of market changes, not because BP.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:51 PM
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72. If you read my whole reply ...
I was not just talking about the Oil Spill or the small sum that they are being fined, I was talking about the cap and trade bill the tax that even as the government declares it will be on carbon producers will effect the bottom line price of gas at the pump. That is my complaint. The government has got its priorities backward. Don't punish the use of carbon because there is no viable alternative. Create and invest in the alternative and in the mean time force the issue. The government can seize control of the Oil industry in the US and it can control the price and it can force the rich to pay more for their gasoline and energy then the lower income folks. That is the problem here.... Did you miss my point somewhere? We are all being punished because of the greed of these oil producers, they cared more about getting the well up and getting their product on the market then they did about the safety of the workers and the safety of the GULF. Obama is not punishing just them BP he is punishing us all.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:30 PM
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75. There is a viable alternative, and renewable as well...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 09:32 PM by rasputin1952
in ethanol, produced from various forms, the end product after combustion is water and oxygen. It takes a carbon source to produce, in the form of natural gas, but the trade off is, no carbon emissions from the tailpipe. Using petroleum products uses heat as well, and the end product, after combustion is carbon monoxide. In ethanol, you have a slight trade off in mpg, but you also don't fill the atmosphere w/more carbon.

IMO, cap and trade or a carbon tax will answer anything in the short or long run. The object has to be to cut down, or eliminate where we can. There is much talk about the Chinese working on their carbon problem, and new technology is being introduced. If we would have tackled this in the 70's we'd have the technology to sell...but it was just too easy to shelve research. History shows us though that the only time we really get rolling on these things is when there is a substantial increase in cost, that is one reason for the carbon tax; it adds impetus to make changes.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:32 PM
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43. Hey, BP!!!
FUCK YOU!!!


Oh, wait...I'm one of the "small people."

FUCK YOU!!!

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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:22 PM
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51. But in the end we're ALL just people with different priorities
here's a throwback... hate the game, not the playa.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:35 PM
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56. BP -> Big People with small minds and smaller hearts
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:48 PM
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57. o, BP another faux pas: really? 'small people" bad choice-again
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Kumbricia Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:50 PM
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58. The word he was looking for was "second class citizen"
aka the other people - the ones who aren't corporations
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The Old Creak Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:22 PM
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62. And
anyone here is surprised?
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:40 PM
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63. Isn't anybody weirded out that Jamie Gorelick is representing BP
That's pretty sleazy.

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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:08 PM
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68. Realistically - did anyone expect Jamie Gorelick to represent small people - LOL?
Gorelick and her Harvard peers use the "small people" as vehicles to advance their wealth, power and interests.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:43 PM
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64. saw this one coming. /nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:02 PM
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65. Classist, elitist pig...
typical corpoRAT attitude towards the hard-working people of the Gulf. Fuck 'em!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:03 PM
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66. Exposed! Secret Video of BP CEO and Director of Communications
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:06 PM
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67. Sweden? Little People?


My guess is he was referring to gnomes. No gnomes in the Gulf, so he's off the hook.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:10 PM
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70. It would be too bad if one of the small people
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 09:08 PM by cliffordu
KICKED HIS ASS.

Where's skittles??

Not that she's diminuative, but she KICKS ASS whenever it's needed.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:51 PM
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73. Go easy on them. The big people just want their lives back.
:sarcasm:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:07 PM
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74. Sure, and he's hearin' the wail of the banshee and knows the wee people are
comin' to take back the pot of gold he stole from them.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:16 PM
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77. I'm no defender of BP, but this is ridiculous
I wish people wouldn't be so goddamned sensitive. You can't say a damn word these days without somebody jumping down your throat. We all know what the guy meant. Sure, we're pissed off, and sure, it was a poor choice of words—but REALLY? Do we really need to make an issue out of this?

Who gives a shit about "frame of mind." Just fork over the money.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:48 PM
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78. Might be, but it also might be a Freudian slip of the tongue
and an oft used expression usually said amongst elitist peers.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:55 AM
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80. He's probably an elitist pig, but
this is much ado about nothing.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:10 AM
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96. Best comment on this thread. nt
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 09:10 AM by Hansel
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hopiakuta Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:00 AM
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81. So many anecdotes in search of a theme,....:
So many anecdotes in search of a theme,....:

“Nobody wants this over more than I do, I want my life back.”

Anthony Bryan Hayward

“Where were the boats that could have been commandeered by the government to be sent into this region to deal with that oil plume as it was coming up to the water and destroying marine life?”

Michele Marie Amble Bachmann

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=471178&mesg_id=471178

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=471178&mesg_id=471178


http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8570078

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8570078

"The president just called for creating a fund that would be administered by outsiders, which would be more of a redistribution-of-wealth fund," said Bachmann. "And now it appears like we'll be looking at one more gateway for more government control, more money to government."

Also, David Weigel reports that Bachmann also said: "They have to lift the liability cap. But if I was the head of BP, I would let the signal get out there -- 'We're not going to be chumps, and we're not going to be fleeced.' And they shouldn't be. They shouldn't have to be fleeced and make chumps to have to pay for perpetual unemployment and all the rest -- they've got to be legitimate claims."

Michele Bachmann

Does she truly own a mental health care clinic, practice, in Stillwater?

Mexican matador Christian Hernandez said bullspit to killing a bull, & was arrested.

http://inothernews.tumblr.com/post/701958642/apparently-god-hates-jesus-statues-and-british

~ Tuesday, June 15 ~

Apparently God hates Jesus statues and British Petroleum: lightning strike causes halt in oil recovery effort


BP says a fire believed caused by lightning has shut down a system capturing oil from the gushing well in the Gulf of Mexico, the Associated Press reports.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8564520

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8564520


Jesus Christ Statue Destroyed By Act Of God;

but, when their god visited Monroe, Ohio, it bypassed Larry Flynt's Hustler Hollywood pornography emporium, & aimed for the church, & the statue.

"...resign. Well, in the Asian culture we do things differently. During the Samurai days, we would give you a knife,..."

Joe Cao

Yet, they do want their life back from the small people.

British Petroleum

Brit Petrol

English Petroleum

English Petrol

Thank You,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina

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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:54 AM
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82. Too many people are defending this.
Why couldn't he just use the term "people." Why did he feel it needed a qualifier? There is only one reason - because he views the world in terms of "us and them." It has nothing to do with a grasp of language. It is all about attitude. Period. "We are not the same as them." And his choice of qualifier shows exactly how he views "them."

I refuse to accept my given role as someone beneath the oligarchy. Screw that asshole.

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:42 AM
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83. Storm + Teacup = Distraction
Shame that all the folk whinging about a mistaken colloquialism
haven't got better priorities for their ire.

"small people" = "little guys" = "common man" = "..."

The guy is Swedish FFS ... you've only recently got rid of a president
who couldn't even manage ENGLISH!

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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:13 AM
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97. Exactly. Focus.
The outrage is in what they have done. I could care less what they say.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:27 AM
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99. Agree as to "distraction." (Not so sure about the rest.)
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 09:29 AM by No Elephants
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:49 AM
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93. Wow. He *really* said "we care about the small people"?
Seriously? Oh. My. God. That is absolutely unbelievable. Has this guy no shame? What a despicable, horrible, horrible man. I'm disgusted. Absolutely disgusted.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:15 AM
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98. Interesting to see how may DUers KNOW what a man whom they've never met "really" meant.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 09:24 AM by No Elephants
Most of us never even heard of him two months ago, yet most of us can already read his mind and heart well enough to know that he did (or did not) mean exactly what he said.

Bottom line for me: this is not important. It's mostly media pot-stirring. A distraction.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:55 AM
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111. Eh?
No Elephant claims: "Bottom line for me: this is not important."

You say not important, yet you posted at least 12 times in this thread.?!?!?

So, the Lord of BP had to stand in front of the White House and declare BP cares about people?

Answer that.... why did he feel he had to make such a declaration?
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:30 AM
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102. Of course they see the gulf residents that way
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 10:31 AM by Haole Girl
After all, they have been considering themselves Overlords for a long time now.

grr.

:grr:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:47 AM
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103. He is SWEDISH. English is not his first language. He was trying to
refer to "the little guy", but that's an American colloquialism that he can't be expected to know.

He did not come across like Leona Helmsley referring to "the Little People".

I give him a total pass on this. People need to GET A GRIP and focus on the real problems with BP.
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:13 PM
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106. ASSHOLES...
JUST A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES....and Obama ain´t doing shit to help
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:43 PM
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107. Keep those small people on the other side of
the moat,we are under siege.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:46 PM
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108.  To the tower men
the Liliputians are coming.
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