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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:43 AM
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Beaches turn black in Baldwin County (AL) as oily waves roll in
Source: Mobile Register



By David Ferrara and Katherine Sayer, Press-Register Reporters

GULF SHORES, Ala. -- Fifteen-year-old Dakota Byrd kicked sand over a puddle of black oil lining Gulf Shores beach. As far as he could see Saturday afternoon, the white sand at the shoreline had turned black.

"I want to get rid of it," he said. Byrd looked into joining the cleanup effort, but he's too young. Summer for him and his Gulf Shores buddies, he said, along with many others who enjoy the Alabama coastline, "is done."

Dark waves slapped the shore, as rust-colored sheets floated in the nearby water.

Read more: http://blog.al.com/live/2010/06/beaches_turn_black_in_baldwin.html



We're SCrude.
:grr:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:47 AM
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1. Crap.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 08:46 AM
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5. That's why it's called the Devil's Excrement nt
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:59 AM
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2. The oil is the latest sad chapter
of what has happened to Gulf Shores. High rise condos block access to the beautiful beaches that no longer belong to the people of Alabama.
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E_Olenska Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 08:12 AM
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3. You're right......
what the condos didn't ruin, the oil will.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:34 AM
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6. So true.
I know that place well....first went there in 1965 when the Flora-Bama bar was the last and only outpost on the beach.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:10 PM
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27. I love that bar!
Had a great time there about 15 years ago. Still talk about it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:41 PM
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30. I remember it well too. I was in Mobile in the late 1950s.
What a horror.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:13 PM
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33. I was at the FloraBama the year they opened. 1963. Link:
"Do It On The Line"
http://www.florabama.com/
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:23 PM
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37.  I spent some time there in 65
Do you remember the River Queen that was parked on the bay side around there?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 07:01 AM
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40. Sure do.
Wonder what happened to it?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:09 AM
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8. same as in FL---state was SCrude already under JebBush & cronies
the wrecked wetlands, redirected streams for golf course ponds & clearcut the forests---total devastation---and as for the beaches, just try to find access beyond a state park.

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:35 PM
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18. Wait just a minute. The people of Alabama
can be denied beach access? Beaches can be privately owned?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:55 PM
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21. I think they are talking about the access to the beach
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 12:55 PM by Celebration
You can walk anywhere on the beach, I bet, but access to it may not be convenient.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:10 PM
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22. I hear you on the access to the beach.
Geffen, in an attempt to protect his Malibu mansion & keep out the 'riff-raff', tried to severely limit access to the beach in front of it. He lost. In some beach communities, here on the left coast, distance between access points is limited by law.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:08 PM
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32. Gulf Shores condos? Not so bad. Orange Beach is the Condo Canyon.
Wall-to-wall.

A mile or so out West Beach in Gulf Shores it's pretty much all beach houses.
Single family dwellings.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 08:24 AM
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4. Obviously, this is a fabricated myth from the liberal media
'cuz Governor Barbour said the beaches are clean!
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:32 AM
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12. BABAR is from Mississippi
Which for some odd reason the oil has skipped over in favor of Alabama. But it is just a matter of time...
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:51 AM
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15. Bah, another pack of liberal lies!!!
:-)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:52 PM
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20. you guys are so funny
i'm busting a gut here :rofl:
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:43 AM
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7. So a red state turns black! Perhaps they should have voted
for ecology rather than militarism and greed.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:10 AM
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9. well I voted for change & got Salazar heading the MMS & look what happened
he kept the same BushCo cronies in & we got SCRude
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 03:19 AM
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39. Yep! Whatever the ills of the Bush Admin ...
... this well was approved by Obama's admin.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:36 AM
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10. That's my conclusion too.
Maybe this will wake up some idiots who vote repuke against their own best interests.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:06 AM
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11. It was Obama who also expanded drilling all over
without a single demand for expanded regulation or proper inspection. In fact it's his pick in charge of MMS. He gets no free pass in this disaster.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:11 PM
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17. Definitely no free pass at all.
In Europe, there is much offshore drilling, but it is accompanied by a pro-regulatory political atmosphere. They have accidents, but never on the order of this.
They try to solve problems they foresee rationally instead of making offshore drilling part of some de-regulatory celebration for the rich.
The political and corporate elites deserve this and all the discredit.
But the people-- they deserve so much better. Their suffering is and will be more intense.

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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:34 AM
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13. I doubt they voted for Obama
:sarcasm: (only partial tongue in cheek)
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:31 PM
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23. How compassionate of you.
Not!
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:32 AM
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41. Yes, because everyone in that state is a republican...
Sigh.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:42 AM
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14. too much talk and not enough action - stop the hole from the earth than worry about the beaches
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davidhilton Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:59 AM
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16. As I walked on the Coronado beach yesterday, I was asking myself:
What if this beach was covered with tar balls and oil mangled seagulls?
Such a tragedy in the Gulf. I have always taken ocean beauty for granted, I won't anymore.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:40 PM
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19. Pre-Katrina those were some of the best beaches in the US.
They just only in the last few years repaired them to the point of being good again.

Shame. :/
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:31 PM
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24. 2004: Ivan, 2005: Katrina...now this
Alabamans have hung in there with faith, hard work, and optimism, but now I wonder... We love the Gulf Coast and have enjoyed many wonderful times at Gulf Shores... In the spring of 2004 there was still a hammock of tall, cool pine trees over the campground at Gulf State Park. We went back in spring '06. The hammock was virtually gone - destroyed by the hurricanes. But at least the beaches were still gorgeous, soft and clean... Our dog wasn't allowed on the state park beach so we'd take him to the *Bon Secour National Seashore to walk the pristine beach, lie in the soft sand, and enjoy the gulf breeze, the birds, dolphins and little critters...

Alabama also has some of the best SHRIMP in the US - the Alabama Royal Reds...now I wonder if any of them will survive. I would be so grateful if they DID survive that I don't think I could bring myself to eat them anymore.

(* Dogs are now forbidden on Bon Secour Beach due to irresponsible owners who let them run loose and harass/attack people, pets, and wildlife)
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:44 PM
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25. Alabama Shrimp...
From the Gulf Shores National Shrimp Festival website:

You are likely to find 4 kinds of wild shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico.

1. White Shrimp:.First commercially important species which is about 35% of the domestic catch.(Penaeus setiferus)
2. Pink Shrimp: Larger than the White Shrimp by a little, they are sweet and tender.(Penaeus duorarum)
3. Brown Shrimp: Primarily from the salt marsh and sea grass areas during the summer months, brown shrimp represent 55% of our domestic catch.(Penaeus aztecus)
4. Royal Reds: From the deepest, coldest waters-up to 2400 feet deep. They tend to be large and are... brilliant crimson red, or pink and some think they taste like lobster. A mature Royal Red Shrimp is about 3 years old. (Pleoticus robustus or Hymenopenaeus robustus)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:25 PM
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34. We had to take Nasha out to the Fort Morgan beach.
No restrictions back then.
Don't know about now.

Yeah, we were in the process of coming back after Ivan and Katrina.
Real estate appeared to have bottomed out and maybe headed back up?
Now we're done.
:-(
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:33 PM
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35. I hope and pray you are not done...
this is excruciating on many levels... It is the only issue I care about now, and the pain and horror is too much when we focus on the worst cast scenario. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is a light at the end of this tunnel. It is the only hope we have...

:grouphug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:58 PM
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26. Drill, baby, drill! Drill, baby, drill!!! Drill, baby, drill!!!!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:25 PM
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28.  a little FYI

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/06/09/1315823/bp-c-plan.html

"Lutz is listed as a go-to wildlife specialist at the University of Miami. But Lutz, an eminent sea turtle expert, left Miami almost 20 years ago to chair the marine biology department at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. He died four years before the plan was published.".


BP's Gulf spill plan outdated, error-filled

By JUSTIN PRITCHARD, TAMARA LUSH and HOLBROOK MOHR
The Associated Press

Published: June 9th, 2010 10:32 PM
Last Modified: June 12th, 2010 11:38 AM

VENICE, La. - Professor Peter Lutz is listed in BP's 2009 response plan for a Gulf of Mexico oil spill as a national wildlife expert.
He died in 2005..





Under the heading "sensitive biological resources," the plan lists marine mammals including walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals. None lives anywhere near the Gulf.

The names and phone numbers of several Texas A&M University marine life specialists are wrong. So are the numbers for marine mammal stranding network offices in Louisiana and Florida, which are no longer in service.

BP PLC's 582-page regional spill plan for the Gulf, and its 52-page, site-specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon rig are riddled with omissions and glaring errors, according to an Associated Press analysis that details how BP officials have been making it up as they go along. The lengthy plans approved by the federal government last year before BP drilled its ill-fated well vastly understate the dangers posed by an uncontrolled leak and vastly overstate the company's preparedness to deal with one.

"Look, it's obvious to everybody in south Louisiana that they didn't have a plan, they didn't have an adequate plan to deal with this spill," said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal. "They didn't anticipate the (blowout preventer) failure. They didn't anticipate this much oil hitting our coast. From the very first days, they kept telling us, ‘Don't worry, the oil's not going to make it to your coast.' "

In the spill scenarios detailed in the BP's exploration plan, fish, marine mammals and birds escape serious harm; beaches remain pristine; water quality is only a temporary problem. And those are the projections for a leak about 10 times worse than what has been calculated for the ongoing disaster.

There are other wildly false assumptions in the documents. BP's proposed method to calculate spill volume judging by the darkness of the oil sheen is way off. The internationally accepted formula would produce estimates 100 times higher.

The Gulf's loop current, which is projected to help eventually send oil hundreds of miles around Florida's southern tip and up the Atlantic coast, isn't mentioned in either plan.


The website listed for Marine Spill Response Corp. - one of two firms that BP relies on for equipment to clean a spill - links to a defunct Japanese-language page.


In early May, at least 80 Louisiana state prisoners were trained to clean birds by listening to a presentation and watching a video. It was a work force never envisioned in the plans, which contain no detailed references to how birds would be cleansed of oil.

And while BP officials and the federal government have insisted that they have attacked the problem as if it were a much larger spill, that isn't apparent from the constantly evolving nature of the response.

Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, said in an e-mail Wednesday to the AP that he and Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., have asked for a criminal investigation of some of the company's claims.

"The AP report paints a picture of a company that was making it up as it went along, while telling regulators it had the full capability to deal with a major spill," Nelson said in an e-mail. "We know that wasn't true."

This week, after BP reported the seemingly good news that a containment cap installed on the wellhead was funneling some of the gushing crude to a tanker on the surface, BP introduced a whole new set of plans mostly aimed at capturing more oil.

The latest incarnation calls for building a larger cap, using a special incinerator to burn off some of the recaptured oil and bringing in a floating platform to process the oil being sucked away from the gushing well.

In other words, the on-the-fly planning continues.

---

Some examples of how BP's plans have fallen short:

- Beaches where oil washed up within weeks of a spill were supposed to be safe from contamination because BP promised it could marshal more than enough boats to scoop up all the oil before any deepwater spill could reach shore - a claim that in retrospect seems absurd.

"The vessels in question maintain the necessary spill containment and recovery equipment to respond effectively," one of the documents says.

BP asserts that the combined response could skim, suck up or otherwise remove 20 million gallons of oil each day from the water. But that is about how much has leaked in the past six weeks - and the slick now covers about 3,300 square miles, according to Hans Graber, director of the University of Miami's satellite sensing facility. Only a small fraction of the spill has been successfully skimmed. Plus, an undetermined portion of the spill has sunk to the bottom of the Gulf or is suspended somewhere in between.

The plan uses computer modeling to project a 21 percent chance of oil reaching the Louisiana coast within a month of a spill. In reality, an oily sheen reached the Mississippi River delta just nine days after the April 20 explosion. Heavy globs soon followed. Other locales where oil washed up within weeks of the explosion were characterized in BP's regional plan as safely out of the way of any oil danger.

- BP's site plan regarding birds, sea turtles or endangered marine mammals ("no adverse impacts") also have proved far too optimistic.

While the exact toll on the Gulf's wildlife may never be known, the effects clearly have been devastating.

More than 400 oiled birds have been treated, while dozens have been found dead and covered in crude, mainly in Louisiana but also in Mississippi, Alabama and Florida. On remote islands teeming with birds, a visible patina of oil taints pelicans, gulls, terns and herons, as captured in AP photos that depict one of the more gut-wrenching aspects of the spill's impact. Such scenes are no longer unusual; the response plans anticipate nothing on this scale.

In Louisiana's Barataria Bay, a dead sea turtle caked in reddish-brown oil lay splayed out with dragonflies buzzing by. More than 200 lifeless turtles and several dolphins also have washed ashore. So have countless fish.

There weren't supposed to be any coastline problems because the site was far offshore. "Due to the distance to shore (48 miles) and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts are expected," the site plan says.

But that distance has failed to protect precious resources. And last week, a group of environmental research center scientists released a computer
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:05 PM
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31. Yeah, we saw a couple of walruses and a unicorn off our dock yesterday.
:eyes:
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:59 PM
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29. SPILL, BABY SPILL
:woohoo: :woohoo: :hi:

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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:56 PM
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36. The Grim fact is........
You cannot clean up this shit, The gulf is done. At this point we have to look forward and try to preserve where its heading. They have known a long time it was gonna hit florida, There should of been a NATIONAL DISASTER SPEECH All hands to the south with manpower, Vessels, Kind of like a wartime approach to this disaster. We can clean up the stuff you see, Its the stuff you cant see thats gonna choke the eco system.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 12:51 AM
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38. That is what I have been saying
We know it is coming here, yet nothing is being done to try and protect at least some areas.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:21 AM
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42. Those Beaches Need Redecorating
Despite the fact that BP's well was OK'd under the Obama administration, what some of those beaches need are yard sign-size placards with Dubya and Dick holding dripping oil cans and wearing oil-stained suits with the caption "Miss us yet? We gutted offshore drilling safety regulations while we were in charge."

Of course we Democrats are far, far too nice to do something like that.

:argh:
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