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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:09 AM
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Blair's majority could be cut to only 30 MP's
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 10:12 AM by JoFerret
http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=339892004

Getting twitchy!

<<Although Labour is not predicting an anti-war backlash on a similar scale to that which drove José María Aznar from power in Spain, there are fears that the party will seep support to the Liberal Democrats, particularly voters won over by Charles Kennedy’s “principled” opposition to the conflict.

The whips have urged Mr Blair to mention Iraq as little as possible, because it plays so badly among supporters in the Labour heartlands.

“Just talk of him meeting President Bush makes the back-benchers twitchy,” said one whip.>>

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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:29 AM
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1. And now Blair's going to help Bush campaign for reelection
According to another thread in this forum. It's as though Blair has developed a political death wish.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:35 AM
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2. Dilemma
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 10:36 AM by JoFerret
He has a dilemma on his hands. The large majority of his supporters detest Bush and are not happy with the war. They don't want the Tories to win so there is no real voting alternative and a vote for the Lib-Dems in many constituencies would mean a Tory win. The only real hope is for the antagonism between Blair and brown to boil over into a dogfight and Brown taking a more traditional pro-labour issue position and come out against Bush.

There is something very delusional about Blair. It is as if he only listens to himself and then believes everything he hears.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 12:49 PM
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4. Yes but if Blair is in charge of Labour, I would vote Liberal Democrat!
Charles Kennedy is a good man and I agree with him on the issues much more than "Poodle-Boy Blair".

By the way, I'm an American.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 02:38 PM
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7. Lib Dems not an option in most areas
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:21 PM
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9. My wife was a paid up Labour party member for over 40 years.
She quit 12 months ago when Blair decided to go to war in Iraq without a UN mandate and contrary to international law. Her decision was by no means unique. Many dedicated Labour activists have left over Blair's betrayal of the principles upon which the party was built. Quite a few will be actively campaigning for the Liberal Democrats in the upcoming the local and European elections. They may not win but at least they will have satisfaction of supporting a party that opposed this illegal war and occupation from the outset.

I am afraid that in making Tony Blair leader, the Labour party made a Faustian pact, in which they gained electoral success at the price of losing their soul.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:46 PM
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12. Perhaps labour will die like the torys before them
It appears that embracing the WAR-right is a path to political
nowhere. Just ask the torys. Blair is on his way to nowhere...
asswipe, turning the goodwill of all the british people in to a
smear on toilet paper... to be flushed and ignored.

My area has a libdem MP and labour is dead in this region. (caithness/sutherland). If they keep it up, i can see one day
a libDem/SNP alliance taking over holyrood and kicking the
tory-labour tossers south of the border.

It strikes me that labour should organize and kick him out of the party for war crimes.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 02:28 PM
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6. Originally posted by JoFerret
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 02:29 PM by rocknation
There is something very delusional about Blair. It is as if he only listens to himself and then believes everything he hears.
Apparently, whatever Pretzel-Dunce Bush is infected with is contagious.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:43 PM
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8. I think he is suffering from the same illusion as Bush* that he is
untouchable. People in England are not nearly as stupid and timid as are Americans. Blair's days are numbered.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:57 AM
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3. A couple things: (1) Scotsman is very conservative.
(2) Could anything be lamer than this quote:

The advisers have also given warning that Michael Howard, the Conservative leader, is planning to make the ideological differences between Mr Blair and Mr Brown one of the central themes of the Tory election campaign.

The conservatives have nothing more to run on than an alleged ideological difference within the labor party???

No wonder the UNAMED advisors sourced for the article say that labors losses will go to Lib Dems.

(3) If this is the quote upon which the Scotsman relied for its headline, they've probably oversold the story:

Although nobody believes Labour will lose the next election, expected to be held next spring, there are growing fears that unless the party regains the discipline which saw it to victory in 1997 and 2001, then it could see its 167 majority whittled down to the low tens.

“This could be the difference between winning by 90 and winning by 30,” said one Labour MP who has been advising Mr Blair on the election campaign. “The most important thing in politics is to appear united, and Labour is failing that test at the moment.”


(4) The higher education bill about which Blair is being criticized is one of the most liberal pieces of legislation I've ever seen in my life.


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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 02:05 PM
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5. The scotsman is a second rate rag
Source the Guardian, the independent, the glasgow herald,
or the financial times.

These second rate conservative rags like the telegraph and the scotsman are editorial fiction specialists, imitating their favorite
conservative newspaper the New york times.

Blair has lost his moral momentum, and the rest of his administration
is like that poster of a cat clinging to the wall with its claws with the words "hang in there baby".

The conservatives know they will never beat blair in the next
election, so they've started to target Brown, the heir appearant,
even whilst he's not in power.

As much as i'm disappointed in blair for his FUCKING WAR CRIMES and
his hatred of british drugs users, i won't shoot him down for something
he has not done. God bless you Mr. Blair, you need it. The pirhana's are chomping the media-sea in to a foamy soup of flailing
lies. It should leave him pause that he's created so many enemies
by selling out his own people and party.
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Bush Pouts Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:47 PM
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10. They will bite him
and start foaming.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:52 PM
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11. You mean he'll still be in fucking power?
Unbelievable. How many people have marched and protested and sworn over and over again that he was finished? How many hearings and investigations have they had? They huff and they puff, but they just can't seem to blow the house down.
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