Accused man's (Pelosi threats) mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Newsjock]

Source: KGO-TV

Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up.

Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation.

"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all of those that are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from."

Read more: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140

[applegrove]

1. faux news will surely not stop until someone gets killed. Even then I'm sure they'd continue.

[snake in the grass]

21. People have already been killed through Fox News.

Many of these cases can be linked to the likes of O'Reilly and Hannity. Death is good for ratings and, hey, they're just telling the other side of the story.

[No Elephants]

51. Fair and Fatal.

[happygoluckytoyou]

66. IN A RELATED STORY fox news reports that teabagging is the new rusty trumboner

[BlancheSplanchnik]

68. you know, that would make a good tee shirt or bumpersticker

I hope that sound like I'm downgrading it! But a sound bite like that -- with a list of NAMES, and counting-- which is absolutely true, deserves to get around.

Fox News: Fair? and Fatal!:
Dr. Tiller, ............

[louis-t]

117. Cop killed cuz "Obama's gunna take yer guns away"

And counting....

[dotymed]

76. I watched a few minutes

of a televangelist. He was the one sued along with bush for talking about islamofascists (supposedly) and he was railing to his (very large) "flock" about the dangers of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE. He was saying that if they passed it (it was the law until Reagan), then he would have to give equal air-time to an "Islamofasicist" so that he could give his side......wow... There is only one side and it belongs to the Elite...

[AlbertCat]

111. (it was the law until Reagan)

It was not a "law"....was it? It was a rule, or agreement or something. They should make it a law. It was abandoned, so they said, to "encourage diversity" because the station execs didn't want to show ANY political views if they had to use up air time showing them all...so it stifled diversity.

Oh yeah.... this is WAY better! We now have much more diversity of views! Good job! :eyes:

[bear425]

84. How about "Fatal Unbalanced" ?

Something must be done to stop their fomenting violence.

[Name removed]

88. Deleted message

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[treestar]

89. Nice try

No.

[whats_a_zip]

90. No? Well, at least you present

an elegant, and eloqent argument.

[bear425]

97. When you have familiarized yourself with The Fairness Doctrine,

get back to me with some other ideas you might propose to deal with this important issue.

[whats_a_zip]

98. And what have I said that's in conflict with

the fairness doctrine? Does Faux present both sides? No.
So shut them down.

Jail - For the broadcast equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.

[fascisthunter]

130. heh?

[lark]

99. I was just thinking

about how the Bush crime regime has avoided all efforts to hold them accountable for their treason. Why is Obama letting them off the hook? Wonder what they threatened him with to keep him silent? Cheney has done things that Rush can only dream of, he should be the first to go to jail.

[Patchuli]

118. Litigate them broke and powerless...

There must be plenty of injuries by this time, a decade of their political gerrymandering and slander of anyone liberal.

[Freedom is not free]

122. 1st amendment

Beware!  The 1st amendment gives citizens of the USA the right
to speak.  This particularly protects political speech and
allows this site to function as it does.  Yes, the bill of
rights is meant to limit the government's control over us. 
Wishing to silence those we disagree with will ultimately
endanger our own free speech. The fairness doctrine is
trumpeted on this site, yet who here would say Rush Limbaugh
or Glenn Beck should have time on the air? 

Slander should be punished.  I see conservatives being accused
of crimes and being called juvenile names on this site, but
never see any proof of their crimes.  If you have a case, make
it.  Whining is just annoying.

[Patchuli]

125. Pardon me if I misunderstood

but I'm not whining. I don't watch Faux news yet I think anyone with a microphone who reaches a lot of ears, needs to be responsible for what they say. Conservatives have been guilty of many crimes and there is a decade or more of proof. I don't need to "make" a case. Rightwing nutjobs have done the work for me. Now if only Democrats would do to them what they would do to us if the situation was reversed. After all, the GOP had to use $7 million of my tax dollars to prosecute Clinton for being afraid to admit he had a blow job.

[Patchuli]

126. P.S.

I'm honored you spent your first post on me...enjoy your time here. It might be short.

[Jackpine Radical]

127. I think Beck & Limbaugh should have air time.

As Voltaire is often misquoted to have said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

The benefits of free speech are vastly greater than the suppression of your opponents.

As regards the public airwaves, none of this contradicts my belief in the fairness doctrine, which imposes rules as a condition of accessing public "space."

[EvolveOrConvolve]

136. Enjoy your stay

Bye! :hi:

[roguevalley]

27. I feel for a woman her age facing this. My heart goes out to her.

She is the age my dad would be if he were still here. :(

[Kievan Rus]

28. Dr. Tiller and three cops in Pittsburgh have already died, in part, due to Faux News ramblings

Bill O'Reilly went on and on about "Tiller the Baby Killer" and egged on violence, while Glenn Beck's nutty ramblings about a non-existent "Obama gun ban" convinced a racist, paranoid gun nut in Pittsburgh that the cops were coming to take all of his guns away...and said racist gun nut wound up shooting and killing three of them and injuring two more.

[RamboLiberal]

29. And two sheriff deputies died last year in April as well

The shooter was another RW nut who was afraid Obama was going to take his gun. The cops were trying to arrest him on a gun range for beating up his wife. He pulled out a hidden gun after they tased him and basically executed them with follow up head shots. I just read an account that mentioned this nut had a tattoo so fresh he was still wiping blood from his arm. The tattoo was "Don't Tread on Me/Liberty or Death."

PENSACOLA - Police shot a National Guard soldier 16 times after he killed two sheriff's deputies at a gun range in April, but it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound that ended a chaotic, high-speed chase and shootout, investigators said today.

Joshua Cartwright shot and killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York, both 45, on April 25 as they tried to arrest him in the parking lot of rural gun range.

-----

According to the report, Cartwright, 28, joined the Army National Guard after Sept. 11, 2001. He washed out of Counter Intelligence training at Fort Huachuaca, Ariz., and attended light mechanic school at Fort Jackson, S.C., before joining the National Guard Unit in Crestview.

The report says Cartwright had been scheduled to be deployed but was "rendered ineligible" after a domestic violence arrest in November. He was then placed on restriction to handle military weapons. He was told that if he was convicted of domestic violence he would terminated from the guard. The court case, however, was resolved.

Family members said Cartwright believed President Obama was anti-American. The day before his death, Cartwright had gotten a tattoo on right arm that read "Don't tread on me/Liberty or death."

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/08/officials-man-killed-deputies-then-took-own-life/

[Hekate]

133. And Tennessee Unitarian Universalists inside their own church, with 25 kids on stage

Two adults dead, 7 injured. He planned to shoot all these libruls, and was only stopped by the intervention of 4 congregants, who held him down but didn't injure him while the children were led to safety.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/28/usa
Tennessee man cites church's liberal values as reason for shooting

Hekate

[NewJeffCT]

60. The execs at Fox would need to feel remorse

for them to stop - chances of that are slim to none.

[601Liberal]

72. They'll just blame the liberals like they always do

Just like they're blaming Democratic plants for bricks being thrown at Democratic lawmakers' offices.

[texastoast]

119. I'd like very much to see those fuckers prove it

I have my doubts.

[AlbertCat]

110. faux news will surely not stop until someone gets killed.

No kidding! They're probably using the mother's comments as a promotional!

[samplegirl]

2. Welfare Fraud

:wow: go figure

[Enrique]

19. government get your hands off my fraudulent welfare!

:crazy:

[Jefferson23]

3. Fox and Friends will likely descend on this poor woman very soon. n/t

[Supersedeas]

86. the beady eyed twit and the cackling cohorts

[donquijoterocket]

96. watters

Is "beady-eyed twit" a reference to one or the other of blowhardbillowlielly's stalker "producers"?
Regarless of what tactic they decide on you can be pretty sure that fux noise will not hesitate to diminish and demean this woman.At the very least their whole lineup of babbling bobble heads will distort, deflect and do everything in their power to change the subject.

[RoccoR5955]

4. What's the matter, he didn't have a brain?

He couldn't make up his own mind?

[SeattleGirl]

10. The article did state that his mother says he has a history of

mental problems. Not saying that what he did was right (it's not), but maybe he actually DOES have a difficult time thinking for himself.

[emilyg]

20. His Mom should have gotten him help.

[Hekate]

42. Have you or a friend ever tried "to get someone help"? I can tell you nightmare stories...

Apparently a person has the perfectly legal right to sleep under a freeway overpass, never bathe, and talk out loud to the voices in his head. He's not obligated to take his medicine if he doesn't want to. The County jails are the mental wards of last resort, and a lot of mentally ill just keep cycling in and out of them for petty crimes.

Who knows how many of the sort-of functional are fortunate enough live with their elderly mothers, because mom loves them?

I used to think that trying to get help for a family member was about money -- that if you had lots and lots of money you could do something about a sick family member. Then two of my friends (they don't know each other) each had a beloved child become schizophrenic in late adolescence. One family had no money and the other had piles of it.

However, they were both up shit creek without a paddle. Turns out that if you're 18 or over you don't have to do anything your Mom and Dad tell you, even if you are certifiable. Judges are very, very reluctant to take someone's rights away and give them to Mom and Dad.

Fortunately, one young person had the insight to seek out a low-cost clinic in her city and take the medicine she was prescribed. It was very rocky. She will never be normal, but she's a helluvan artist. She's fantastic.

Unfortunately, the other young person retreated to his room and played violent video games while his parents traveled all over the city (and for all I know the state) trying in vain to find some way to "get him help," preferably at a residential treatment center. One day while his dad again was out doing that he slashed his stepmom to death in the yard. Worst case nightmare.

This guy -- if his mom is in her 80s, he is way, way over the age of 18. You ever hear the phrase "a cry for help"? I think that's what we are hearing from the old lady. Maybe now that her son has threatened violence against a US Congresswoman he will get some residential mental health treatment. Or maybe they'll just throw his ass in jail.

Hekate

[amyrose2712]

50. +1000

[deutsey]

62. Yeah, and even when the parents are able to exert some control,

a grown schizophrenic child will continue to do what he or she wants (refuse to take medication, for example) that can end up making the home a living hell, especially if the parents are up in years and need help themselves.

I saw this firsthand when the brother of a friend had a breakdown.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

71. everyone who thinks simplistic blame serves some purpose should read this. n/t

[fascisthunter]

78. very good post, thanks

[Lisa0825]

81. You are so right... and all the money in the world doesn't matter....

I went through a lot with my ex-BIL. They had diagnosed him as bipolar, but he also had delusions and hallucinations. The family was loaded. Dad was a chief of a large medical school division. they would have sold everything and moved into a shack if the money could have bought them their son's health.

Sometimes I still wonder about him, and if they ever got him on a treatment that would work for him. It was really heartbreaking.

[HughMoran]

129. Right on target

I've lived in the inner city and can relate...

[Tailormyst]

44. unfortunately our laws make that nearly impossible

[aquart]

46. Mental health care? Are you kidding?

That's the most difficult kind of care to get. Insurance companies treat it completely separately.

[amyrose2712]

48. That can be extremely difficult for multiple reasons. nt

[Dappleganger]

54. Easy to say, not easy to do.

It's amazing how armchair quarterbacking makes one feel so damn smart.

[Stuckinthebush]

65. Whoa. Callous.

Perhaps she did. Perhaps she tried. Perhaps he is off meds. Perhaps, perhaps...

[WatchWhatISay]

102. You obviously haven't had a family member with these kinds of issues

Unless they are an immeadiate threat to themselves or another person, there is very little his mother can do.

We notified the police when my brother in law went off his meds and flew across the country to go find a woman he met in a bar 25 years ago so as to marry her. He racked up about $10,000 in credit card debt in a little over a week. He was put on a plane back to Texas when he ended up getting caught sneaking around a military base - he loves planes and just wanted to look around. They figured out pretty quickly he was harmless and just wanted to get him back home so that they didnt have to pay for any mental health care. He was also starting to threaten his 83 year old mother in vague ways,though he had never actually hit her. But it wasn't until we went to a judge and explained that he owned 17 guns that were in the house where he lived with this mother that they finally issued a mental health warrant. That kept him in a treatment facility on his Medicare insurance (he's only in his early 50's but he is bipolar)until the insurance company wanted him released a few days later. During his stay the family got rid of his guns, though he could have sued us for doing so. His mother passed away and he now lives on his own, courtesy of Social Security disability and a trust fund that she left for his care. He is on so many meds that he sleeps about 16 hours a day and has tremors and other poblems caused by his medicines. Yet he has a drivers license and can go anywhere he wants. I don't know if he has bought any more guns, but he has the legal right to do so. His mother had tried to get him in a group home, as have we, but he refuses.

[mdmc]

112. how?

www.nami.org

[Politicub]

131. It's usually not possible to make someone get counseling or mental health care

You can be honest and upfront with people about being concerned about their well being, but the therapeutic process typically will not work unless the patient is engaged and chooses to get care.

Besides, from the interviews I heard with the mother, she did try and intervene.

[MidwestTransplant]

80. Exactly the point. That's who Faux in large measure caters to.

[happygoluckytoyou]

87. HISTORY OF MENTAL PROBLEMS = FOX WATCHING REPUBLICAN.... why do i have no problem believing this

[Cosmocat]

56. They got my mom ...

good dem all her life, but as alzheimers and age started to creep in, they got her, and it just killed me ...

She had been a major CNN watcher when CNN hit the scene in the late 80s, but turned over to Fox in the late 90s/early 2000s ...

It pained me when she bought hook, line and sinker the smear on Howard Dean ... She was very venemous toward him and there was no way I could walk her back on that at that point, when her mind was where it was and Fox just totally corrupting her ...

They definitely win the war on weak minds ...

[redqueen]

73. "They definitely win the war on weak minds."

Yep... the failure of so many to do any critical thinking at all is the only reason FOX news has any viewers.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

69. So you've never heard of the Milgram experiments? Or other more recent examples of

how easy it is to manipulate people into doing atrocities?

Dr. Milgram, ----- explains that the Holocaust made him want to understand better how it was possible for ordinary people to act "callously and inhumanely." He set out to study authority and explore, as he put it, "under what conditions could a person obey, when commanded, actions that went against conscience."

more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/01/arts/television/01huma.html

The fragility of human kindness and common sense was exposed again in 1971 by Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, a social psychologist at Stanford who recruited a group of undergraduate men to play guards and prisoners in a simulated prison. In less than a week many of the guards had of their own accord turned sadistic, while prisoners grew anxious and disturbed. Some of the photographs from that study are eerily similar to the Abu Ghraib snapshots: naked prisoners posed in sexually humiliating positions with bags over their heads.

But the most alarming scenes of all were caught by a surveillance camera in the back office of a McDonald's restaurant in Mt. Washington, Ky., in 2004. A prankster posing as a police officer — over the telephone — instructed an assistant manager, Donna Jean Summers, to strip-search a teenage employee the imposter said was a thief; by the end of the evening the caller had also persuaded Ms. Summers' fiancé to abuse the employee and force her to perform oral sex. Most shocking of all, at least 70 other people in fast food restaurants were duped into committing other kinds of offenses.

"Human Behavior," written and produced by Alex Gibney, who also made "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room," fills in some of the psychological blanks by illustrating how, in certain circumstances, people readily obey even far-fetched instructions. Most of all, the film shows how easily people lose perspective and basic decency when in the grip of a credible authority figure or even just a difficult group dynamic.

Gibney's film, Human Behavior pt 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u78eK-aXDq0 Other parts also at YouTube

[johnroshan]

115. WOW. That was informative. nt

[Grassy Knoll]

5. Well done Faux noise.........

BWAA HAA HAA

:applause:

:kick:
:sarcasm:

[valerief]

6. She's got that right! Just add ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and most of MSNBC to the list and

then she'll have it completely right.

[Scruffy1]

16. don't forget npr-they suck too

[valerief]

25. You're right! nt

[smoogatz]

64. Actually, no.

You're both wrong. Neither the networks, CNN nor NPR do what Fox does. The networks suck, CNN is okay sometimes, and NPR's often pretty good, but none of them begin and end their NEWS coverage in RNC talking points the way Fox does. None of them gin up fear with hysterical rumors the way Fox does, none of them drum up support for "grass roots" right wing movements, none of them urge people to go armed to political rallies, none of them hint at support for the "patriot" militia movement, or declare that Obama's a socialist or a racist or a one-world dictator or the anti-Christ the way Fox has, and none of them have generated the rhetoric around which the radical right-wing of the Republican party has coalesced. Fox has.

[valerief]

83. Just because Fox is the worst doesn't mean the other networks aren't also guilty. nt

[smoogatz]

94. Guilty of what?

Inciting people to violence? NPR incites people to violence? Care to actually make a case for that?

[CurtEastPoint]

7. Mr. Giusti here...

[Name removed]

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[Chef Eric]

47. He looks like an obese version of Dwight Schrute from "The Office" nt

[mainer]

49. Oh, Dwight Schrute! My favorite irritating/wacko character!

Yet another "Office" fan here.

[pattmarty]

52. Jesusfuckingchrist!! Looks like he should of been a Catholic priest.

:sarcasm:

[jberryhill]

8. Good on mom /nt

[Rozlee]

9. I just had to go trolling on the Drudge report and put a post of that piece on their story about it.

Yes. I have a post in the Drudge report. It's my twentyth name or so because they keep deleting me, like Skinner will delete freepers that crash us. But, fair is fair. Although, Drudge does allow me to stay on for a couple of weeks before he kicks me out. And twenty percent of his posters seem to be libs. They probably get kicked off, too.

[SnakeEyes]

13. Where do you get to post things on Drudge?

Last I knew, he didn't have a message board or comments feature.

[Rozlee]

23. Just go to individual articles like we have here on DU

You'll get eaten alive by the resident freeps, but you'll get mileage until you try to go back in a couple of weeks and find that your email and password don't work anymore. It's fun when they have articles like the one about teabaggers spitting on John Lewis and Barney Franks. You can read their posts and listen to the love. I can't believe Drudge doesn't censor that. He'll drop me for arguing a liberal point of view, but these neo-Nazi hate-spewing idiots stay on and on. He must have several readers that are members of Stormfront. They'll come right out and say they hate blacks, Hispanics and Jews and no one censures them. Just skim his headlines daily until you find one that's about a racially divisive subject and read the story and it's comments. Un-fucking-believable!

[SnakeEyes]

39. Is that actually Drudge's?

Are you talking about are the comment sections at the end of articles that are provided by the websites that Drudge Reports links? I thought you meant that Drudge had his own and was actively monitoring or moderating them (or at least his people were). That's what you first post made it sound like when you said Drudge kicks you off. If I'm misunderstanding please correct me and link me to what you're referring to.

[Jamastiene]

34. There is a link where you can submit news on the home page there.

[SnakeEyes]

40. Yeah but those are never publicly posted. nt

[Jamastiene]

43. A couple of mine got posted back in the day,

but you are mostly right, most of them never do get posted.

[Rozlee]

41. Actually, I just get off on replying to some of the posts made by racists and sociopaths

on the different articles. For instance, right now, they've also got a story about the capture of the guy that threatened Pelosi. You should read some of the comments. Everything from "give the guy a medal..I'll buy the ammo" to "where's Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?" There are several progressives in there jumping in and giving them what for. There are a couple of extra nasty nut jobs in there that I'm terrified of knowing are living on the same planet my children are on. But, once in a while, I get in the mood to let off some steam, so I just go trolling and looking for trouble. Usually, Drudge is a good place to find it.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. but there is no posting of comments on Matt Drudge's site

So maybe you are looking at some other site. There is a website that uses his name in a satirical way which does have discussion boards, and liberals and conservatives. But that site does not belong to him, it is actually 'anti Drudge'.
This is something you should look into. Matt Drudge's site is a read only deal, not a discussion board.

[Rozlee]

128. You go to the Drudge Report and click on an individual article

Then, when the article comes up, you can look at the comments by the readers and click "reply" to some of the more obnoxious ones and call them morans or whatever your heart desires. There are quite a few libs on Drudge that love doing this and some of us will tag team the real assholes. Some of the news and videos we post here that teabaggers say in the way of threats and hate speech are just business as usual with the readers that post comments on the articles on Drudge. I'm beyond shocked that the secret service doesn't keep an eye on these wankers. There are always weirdos making threats against congress and Obama. Maybe that's why the Drudge Report keeps kicking me off. I always go on the "Report Abuse" section of some real weirdos' postings and complain. I reported two readers who posted comments on the story on the capture of the guy that threatened Nancy Pelosi yesterday on Drudge. Their comments were: Next time, don't threaten them, just DO IT!! These are the kinds of assturds that form the heart and soul of the teabagger movement. And whenever someone on the comments sections says anyone on their side would never say anything like that, I tell them to go back to such and such a page and read the comment by (name that teabag doosh). Yeah, I admit, it's juvenile of me, but, it let's me blow off steam sometimes when teabaggers really make me mad. Nothing like going on their turf and pissing in their tea. Until my password doesn't work again.

[Politicub]

135. Happy to say I didn't know Drudge had a posting or comment feature

because I haven't visited that vile, odious site for at least two years.

Every visit to Drudge is a vote of approval for the site. Advertisers care about number of visits - not if a visitor "disagrees" with the deceptive positioning of news.

No thanks. I can get plenty of news elsewhere.

[Rozlee]

137. I agree with everything you've said.

My visiting Drudge is something like rubbernecking a train wreck. The only difference is that I go out of my way to look for it. Look at the video section on the Young Turks about Cenk talking about hateful readers on Free Republic today here on DU. He's right. I've never read Free Republic. I get freeped enough by the readers on the articles in the comments sections on Drudge. But, I know I'm polluting my karma by fighting with those freeptards. Sometimes, it just satisfies a need in me to report their comments to yahoo. I don't know if it does any good, but I hope in my heart of hearts, that maybe yahoo looked at one of those complaints and forwarded it to the Secret Service. One can hope.

[Historic NY]

11. Well is mother is very lucid and informed. Fox News a radical crowd.

[meowomon]

12. I think there should be a huge suit against faux for fraud

[craigmatic]

14. so she's saying being conservative is a mental problem? at least that's what I got from it. n/t

[ronnie624]

31. There is research on the subject.

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox>

<http://reason.com/archives/2004/10/20/pathologizing-conservatism>

[Jamastiene]

35. Thank you.

I tried to explain it, but you went right to the sources.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

74. oh, thanks, I love this kind of analysis... n/t

[defendandprotect]

15. As we've seen with the RW "pro-life" murders, it is the loosest apples that are shaken

from the trees by Fox and right wing extremists..

Hatred and violence are taught --

[alp227]

17. Good she called out what really should be called Fuxed-Up Noise

Whatever mental issues that Gregory Giusti had were probably escalated by that bastion of non-stop misinformation disguising itself as a legitimate news channel as well as Greg's buddies sharing extremely conservative opinions. At least Greg has a loving, decent mother who knows better! And Greg needs to be isolated from civilized society...forever, which pretty much measures how long he'll keep up this behavior.

[BrainlessGeorge]

22. This will never stop.

Fox news has been the biggest problem with Earth since Coal.

[Puzzler]

24. I hate to be cynical, but Fox news knows damn well that they are egging on the nutcases

Even if most of the Teabaggers won't do the killing for Fox, there will always be the odd person with mental problems that will.

[xxqqqzme]

36. Hell yes they know.

there are any number of studies on the 'Lone Wolf'. Faux noise just keeps throwing that shit out know that it is getting through to any number of Lone wolves. It is just a matter of time before one of them hears the 'go' signal and moves out to stop the menace. O'Lielly, beck, insannity, and of course limpballs....They know exactly what they are doing.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

26. Ruppert Murdoch should also be arrested!

[TomCADem]

30. They Should Just Rename The Tea Party The Fox News Fan Club

I would bet that there is a higher correlation between members of the Tea Party who frequently watch Fox News then there is between members of the Tea Party who also claim to be Republicans.

[LynneSin]

32. I'm guessing that either he's adopted or he got from dad's side of the gene pool...

cause this sounds like one smart gal!

[Jamastiene]

33. Fox News is nothing more than a hate group recruitment tool.

All they ever do is spew nonsense against the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[coyotespaw]

37. When are the members of "The party of personal responsibility"

going to start acting like fucking adults and take responsibility for their own stupid actions?

[slay]

38. Amen gramma - we been bitchin bout them too

and how they target the scared, vulnerable, overly patriotic, mentally ill - that IS their target audience. It's pretty sickening.

[hiskooldropout]

45. compassion for Giusti family

I appreciate the more understanding views of those on this thread who have surmised that perhaps Greg Giusti has had genuine mental problems (as his mom indicated) that make him not entirely responsible for his actions. Eleanor was one of my mom's best friends at a time when there was a lot of post WWII prejudice against Japanese-Americans. I knew Greg a little bit as a toddler and somewhat later, maybe until up until pre-teen age. His dad (passed away years ago) took us kids out fishing once on San Francisco Bay. Big fun! I am a few years older than Greg but could see even at a very young age that Greg was most likely quite a handful for a mother to deal with. I imagine it was, daily, a very stressful situation. It was always quite clear Greg was not like other "normal" kids but his condition didn't fit into some neat pigeon-hole or diagnosis. It makes me very sad to see that Greg has had troubles with the law. He comes from a wonderful family.
I'm going on a bit here to just say that there's always a story behind the story. I think liberals/progressives are generally a bit better at not stereo-typing and presuming a person is not just evil, plain and simple, like it seems Fox fans so often do. I thought Eleanor was spot on when she pointed at Fox News as a possible corrupting influence. This incident with Greg just reinforces my opinion that Fox "News" is a corrosive, pernicious force in our society that I hope somebody or some group can find an effective way to combat.
Anyway, I hope there are those out there who will send good thoughts of support to Eleanor and family.

[Lisa0825]

82. ((((HUG))))

Welcome to DU. :pals:

[texastoast]

120. Welcome

And please pass on to the family to keep on keeping on. Dealing with mental and behavioral issues is very difficult.

Thank you for posting this.

:pals:

[Ishoutandscream2]

121. Everyone should read this post. Thank you so much

And you are such an understanding and compassionate person. And a great big "howdy" from me!

[Greyskye]

123. Thanks for the insight. Recommended post.

And welcome to DU.

[sinkingfeeling]

124. I agree that this man has problems and needs help and monitoring. I think his mother was spot-on.

[Enthusiast]

53. Imagine that. nt

[BR_Parkway]

55. Living in Federally subsidized housing, railing against 'socialism'

Why am I not surprised?

A tall, hulking man who kept to himself, Giusti was not well known - or well liked - at the federally subsidized Marlton Manor where he has lived for more than a decade, said neighbor Rose Riggs.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/07/BAU71CR8R9.DTL#ixzz0kVb4GSAC

Man, when you get crazy enough to get thrown out of the Baptist church, you are seriously in need of some couch time

[samplegirl]

57. Report this

Matthews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[h9socialist]

58. Any way to parlay this into . . .

. . . charging Fox Noise and Uncle Rupert as accessories to the crime?

[TheCowsCameHome]

59. Fox will be very proud to have influenced this nutcase.

I'm sure there is high-fiving going on incorporate headquarters about now.

[xsquid]

61. Sorry, I'm just not a believer that TV, Ozzy Osbourne's music, video games,

movies, etc. make anyone do anything. I will remain consistant to that no matter if it involves the "other party" or not.

[smoogatz]

67. You might want to look into the recent history of a country called Rwanda.

Ever heard of it?

[fascisthunter]

79. or Nazi Germany

[xsquid]

132. Yea, a shame how fox news made that happen.

Huge difference in one news channel and government backed masses/forced propoganda. Sorry, bad examples.

[fascisthunter]

139. shame there are so many who chose to ignore it for their own warped reasons

nothing American about fascists, right wingers and nazis nor their propaganda.

[xsquid]

141. The haters are warped, that includes people like

you right along with the right wingers. People like you fit right in with the category you mentioned.

[fascisthunter]

142. sorry, but until the right wing stops being a bunch of nazis I'll reconsider

until then, I'll pity them and call them unamerican, because they are. Have a nice day..

[xsquid]

143. Hate is hate no matter what party, I see many here that belong in the same group

as those you mentioned and are just as un american. It has nothing to do with the reasons for hate.

[Paladin]

144. Oh, Goody.

Another member of the Liberals Are Just As Bad As Conservatives Club. Ya'll play nice, hear?

[xsquid]

145. I'm a liberal, have been since the 60's (didn't really care before that), and the hatemongers

in this party are not liberals no matter what you call yourselves. Liberals are NOT hatemongers now matter how much some try and reinvent us and yes hatemongers are hatemongers no matter the party.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

75. Milgram experiments. and more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4335886&mesg_id=4336388

[LanternWaste]

85. Propaganda, if validated by enough people...

Propaganda, if validated by enough people as A Truth, can begin to affect even the most level-headed of people after a time.



(I certainly don't think Ozzy was propaganda, but maybe there are people who do... :shrug: )

[Taverner]

92. Big difference between a video game where its all agreed that its fantasy

and a "news" show that says they're telling you the truth

[joeglow3]

108. Yes and no

All rational people would agree with you. However, no rational person would go out and kill someone as a result of either. The person who would kill someone would have to already have a mental issue. This same mental disorder would also very likely prevent the person from drawing the comparison above.

[Taverner]

109. Yes, but irrational people can be set off by anything. The color of the sun for example

Fox News, on the other hand, is something the stupid but moderately rational beleive is true.

[Robeson]

95. If propaganda didn't work, there would be no need for ad agencies.

[No Elephants]

63. THANK YOU, Ms. Giusti, for speaking out. Very brave,especially for an 83 year old.

Even FOX won't have the gall to target an 83 year old woman, though (I hope).

[fascisthunter]

77. And She's Partially Right

I blame Fox as well as all right wing garbage on the radio, however you have to be a bit mixed up in the head to go to these lengths. Of course, FOX and the RNC know this in hopes that a person like this will actually do something violent to those who disagree with the right wing point of view. No respect for democracy...

In this nation we are to resolve differences politically... when you step over that line, you rescind your own rights as a lawful citizen. Endangering people is a no-no jackasses!

[Taverner]

91. I smell grounds for a nice big fat lawsuit against Fox

[activa8tr]

93. Fox is the most irresponsible network EVER! n/t

[gauguin57]

100. The devil made him do it, honey ... wooo!

[Tutonic]

101. Mom! Your little boy is an old man!!!!! He needs to speak for

himself.

[GreenTea]

103. We all knew this, anyone with a brain who's the least bit honest knows Fox encouages this kind

of shit - Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of the republican slime, absolutely know that their uninformed, uneducated sheep will listen and believe every word and will do as they are instructed.

[The Doctor.]

104. SUE THE BASTARDS!!!!

That is all.

[newtothegame]

105. Blame someone else culture is alive and well. nt

[KansDem]

106. She must have heard screams of angst coming from her basement.

Must've been going on for years, or at least since 2006...definitely 2008.

[bamacrat]

107. All other networks should run this story as their number one story.

Expose Faux as a hate mongering fear inducing propaganda machine.

[slackmaster]

113. It's just a variation of "My baby didn't do nothin' wrong!"

Criminals' mommies often blame someone else.

[Oldtimeralso]

116. Please read post # 47 n/t

[katty]

114. Faux News always there to stir up the intellectually challenged and

emotionally unbalanced.

[county worker]

134. Get Fox with the RICO act.

Under RICO, a person who is a member of an enterprise that has committed any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $250,000 and/or sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity." RICO also permits a private individual harmed by the actions of such an enterprise to file a civil suit; if successful, the individual can collect treble damages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

Under the law, racketeering activity means:

Any violation of state statutes against gambling, murder, kidnapping, extortion, arson, robbery, bribery, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in the Controlled Substances Act);
Any act of bribery, counterfeiting, theft, embezzlement, fraud, dealing in obscene matter, obstruction of justice, slavery, racketeering, gambling, money laundering, commission of murder-for-hire, and several other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);
Embezzlement of union funds;
Bankruptcy fraud or securities fraud;
Drug trafficking; long-term and elaborate drug networks can also be prosecuted using the Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute;
Money laundering and related offenses;
Bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain);
Acts of terrorism.


Inciting people to commit acts of terrorism.

Throw in limballs and scavage too!

[Turborama]

140. Some of the offences under Title 18 they should be charged with

Are listed here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x244130#246818

[certainot]

138. but fox is a tick on limbaugh's ass, the visual icing on the talk radio lie turd pie

uncontested and ignored RW talk does the groundwork for fox, has a much larger audience, and can create - fox is a secondary player getting all the credit and the left needs to get that straight or keep playing catch up for another two decades.