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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:21 PM
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White House: Simple up or down vote on health care
Source: Associated Press

White House: Simple up or down vote on health care
Sunday, February 28, 2010
Associated Press
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — The White House called for a "simple up-or-down" vote on health care legislation Sunday as Speaker Nancy Pelosi appealed to House Democrats to get behind President Barack Obama's chief domestic priority even it if threatens their political careers.

In voicing support for a simple majority vote, White House health care reform director Nancy-Ann DeParle signaled Obama's intention to push the Democratic-crafted bill under Senate rules that would overcome Republican stalling tactics.
Republicans unanimously oppose the Democratic proposals. Without Republican support, Obama's only chance of emerging with a policy and political victory is to bypass the bipartisanship he promoted during his televised seven-hour health care summit Thursday with congressional leaders from both parties.

"We're not talking about changing any rules here," DeParle said. "All the president's talking about is: Do we need to address this problem and does it make sense to have a simple, up-or-down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?"
DeParle was optimistic that the president would have the votes to pass the massive bill. But none of the legislation's advocates who spoke on Sunday indicated that those votes were in hand.

"I think we will get to that point where we will have the votes," predicted Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, a member of the Senate Democratic leadership. "I believe that we will pass health care reform this spring."

In a sober call to arms, Pelosi said lawmakers sometimes must enact policies that, even if unpopular at the moment, will help the public. "We're not here just to self-perpetuate our service in Congress," she said. "We're here to do the job for the American people."



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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:23 PM
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1. I'm gonna hurl!
Really, I am.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 06:28 PM
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6. Yeah! Obama is such a failure and the Dems all suck.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 06:44 PM
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7. I'm referring to the "simple up or down vote" meme
which the R's used ad nauseam for 8 years.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:14 PM
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14. There Is A Difference
There was a tradition for the filibuster of justices on the extreme and the Democrats had history on their side. Never before has the filibuster been used to thwart every vote that comes before the Senate. The tradition this time is for the up or down vote and not the other way around.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:50 PM
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15. That's why it's beautiful
You should not have the right to filibuster if you have repeatedly gone on the record supporting, on principle, the idea that things ought to be decided on an up or down majority vote.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hissyspit/7543
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 02:30 AM
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17. The Democrats Did Not Use The Filibuster Nearly As Much As The Republicans
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 02:31 AM by TomCADem
Indeed, the use of the filibuster did not sky rocket until 2006 when Democrats gained a majority.

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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 07:51 AM
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18. I've noticed that a lot of these "principles" change, depending on who is in the majority
at a given time. This applies to both parties. This "up or down vote" meme is one. Support of the filibuster is another. It pisses me off when a politician supports or opposes an issue out of supposed conviction, then completely changes his or her position when their party gains or loses the majority.
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ckelly181 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:46 PM
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2. This spring?
Every season it's just put off to the next season. Why not next week?

Just get it flippin' done and over with so we can deal with whatever fresh level of hell we have to to keep - or get - insurance.

Outlaw health insurance!!! :^P



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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:50 PM
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3. Nothing Simple about It ! Don't let us down Dems ...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:42 AM
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20. Snort!
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:05 PM
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21. That's Texan for Shill, Right ?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:07 AM
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22. Know nutt'n bout tejas.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 06:15 PM
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4. Here we go again, "this spring", to be followed by "this summer"....
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 06:21 PM
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5. Spring?
It was late Summer, then it was Thanksgiving, then it was Christmas. Here it is March and we have nothing but a bunch of corrosive GOP slime over everything.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:01 PM
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8. Spring goes until June 19, right?
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scottsoperson Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:05 PM
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9. The Real World
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scottsoperson Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:06 PM
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10. polls
polls show most americans trust dems more than repubs to reform health care.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:47 PM
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11. Freepers should be for this since they screamed--
'up or down vote' constantly while Bush was in office.
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scottsoperson Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:49 PM
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12. repubs used to be big proponents
of the nuclear option.
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scottsoperson Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:49 PM
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13. how many freepers own
planes, i wonder?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:13 AM
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19. It became a new word in their lexicon: Upperdown! Brawk! Upperdown!
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 02:28 AM
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16. Democracy! Who woulda thunk it?
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