New arguments advanced in (Prop. 8) gay marriage trial

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO -- Lawyers in the first federal trial to examine whether state bans on same-sex marriages are constitutional have submitted new written arguments to the judge who will decide the issue.

... In papers filed late Friday, lawyers for the sponsors of California's gay marriage ban offered new twists on their claim that allowing gay men and lesbians to wed could undermine man-woman unions.

The potential harms they cited included giving bisexuals a legal basis for pursuing group marriages and unmarried fathers an incentive to abandon their children.

Lawyers for gay marriage supporters argued that no evidence existed to back those claims.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/02/27/2570474/new-arguments-advanced-in-gay.html

[EFerrari]

1. Bill Moyer's show yesterday was devoted to this case.

I believe it's available for streaming at his site:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02262010/watch.html
:hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

11. K&R. And here's the Bill Moyers YouTube video on this:

;) :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=438633&mesg_id=438633

[Unvanguard]

2. Wait, seriously? Is that the best they can do? n/t

[Fearless]

3. It's not about facts or truth or justice even...

It's about what the judge believes and about how much America will put up with its rights being taken away.

[Unvanguard]

5. They just seem especially stupid lines to take.

Bisexuals wanting "group marriages" presupposes a blatantly false conception of bisexuality. Unmarried fathers abandoning their children plainly has nothing whatsoever to do with same-sex marriage. Maybe that's just inherent in trying to pretend that marriage equality actually causes social harm, though...

[Fearless]

7. I agree with you 100% but...

We're not dealing with people that make a lot of sense. If they made sense they'd realize that this nation was founded on the belief that we have the right to say... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... Of course, they can't yet wrap their heads around that concept.

What politicians continuously forget is that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was created to protect unpopular beliefs. You don't need to have a document promising particular things if no one is going to contest you having them in the first place.

[xchrom]

4. It's sad to think we will have to answer every rock

These crazy motherfuckers throw in the pond.

All this nuttiness coinsides with all lies they want
the public to believe about 'different' people.

[Divine Discontent]

9. it's laughable the crap they are coming up with to say why Gays getting hitched is so bad

I crack up thinking that they're going with the line that allowing it, in essence, will encourage men to abandon their women and the responsibilities of raising kids! Goodness, what schlop!


K&R #5

[BR_Parkway]

10. +10

[Lil Missy]

6. Oh FFS.

:eyes:

[countmyvote4real]

8. bullshit

That's really all I have to say on these recent arguments.

[Blue Gardener]

12. They should come to Iowa

And see that nothing has really changed in the state since gay marriages were made legal last year. It barely comes up in conversation anymore. Most people I know just go about their daily lives worrying about things that really matter to them, like family, jobs, the economy, and all this stinkin' snow.

[jmowreader]

13. Group marriages? Come on.

Gay people wouldn't bother with "group marriages," they'd just start a commune.

Let's do a little experiment here: For the next five years, legalize plural marriage nationwide. At the end of it anyone who's in one keeps it, but no new ones can be formed. Then look at the people who signed up--it would be a who's who of the Quiverfull movement. I think the Duggars would be first on the list--no woman can have children forever, and eventually God's going to send Michelle a message: you have been fruitful enough. This won't affect their need to have lots more kids, though, so someone's going to have to come in and take her place. Believe you me, it's much easier to follow the tenets of Psalm 127 if you've got seven or eight women helping to fill your quiver. I seriously doubt you'd see a significant number of same-sex plural marriages. The major reason you'd want a plural marriage is to spread your seed far and wide, something same-sex marriage participants don't do.

[marshall]

22. Why is group or plural marriage the big boogey man in this argument?

I really don't get it.

[jmowreader]

23. It always has been, but I'm stumped too.

Not actually being gay I can't really be authoritative on this, but I would think that a bunch of gay guys who wanted to enjoy each other's connubial delights would start a commune. They'd pair up and marry for the benefits marriage bestows on the people in it, but when it came time for sex they'd just all meet in a hotel or something and do some swinging.

Whereas Quiverfull people...that's different. One man would marry multiple women, which in this case would actually be good--rather than requiring his one wife to pop out babies as fast as she could, his eight wives could be on two-year or four-year cycles...have a baby this year, skip either one or three years then have another one. It would be healthier for the babies, healthier for the women and God would still look favorably on their union.

[marshall]

24. There are also some polygamous lesbian households

At least that's what I heard during my six years living in Utah. The women were joined together in mutual union, and one man was brought into the picture bascially to father children for the group.

There are so many different ways folks can design a household. My stand has always been to hold out for the plan that is the most inclusive of all combinations that involve willing adults.

[jmowreader]

14. Group marriages? Come on.

Gay people wouldn't bother with "group marriages," they'd just start a commune.

Let's do a little experiment here: For the next five years, legalize plural marriage nationwide. At the end of it anyone who's in one keeps it, but no new ones can be formed. Then look at the people who signed up--it would be a who's who of the Quiverfull movement. I think the Duggars would be first on the list--no woman can have children forever, and eventually God's going to send Michelle a message: you have been fruitful enough. This won't affect their need to have lots more kids, though, so someone's going to have to come in and take her place. Believe you me, it's much easier to follow the tenets of Psalm 127 if you've got seven or eight women helping to fill your quiver. I seriously doubt you'd see a significant number of same-sex plural marriages. The major reason you'd want a plural marriage is to spread your seed far and wide, something same-sex marriage participants don't do.

[d_r]

15. watch out for the next argument they will present

gay marriage could give everyone cooties

[fascisthunter]

16. "Gays being able to mawee, make me feew uncumfterble"

another legacy of the true weirdos... you shall be remembered reicht wing.

[surrealAmerican]

17. ... and here I was thinking an "argument" actually had to have ...

... logic behind it.

That's not an argument; it's wild conjecture.

[TankLV]

18. Group Marriage? Seriously, you fucking MORMON fucking POLYGAMISTS?!!! REALLY?!!!

They don't even pay attention to which of their two faces is talking anymore even seconds apart...

[AlbertCat]

19. unmarried fathers an incentive to abandon their children

Yep... That's UNMARRIED fathers.....

I thought this was about MARRIAGE!


The pretzel logic hurts!



Has any of these trends shown up in countries and states with same sex marriage? If "no" then....STFU.


Does anyone speculate of the BENEFITS to society of same sex marriage?

[dickthegrouch]

20. Then the equitable relief has to be

That all State-conferred benefits of marriage are summarily stopped. If everyone has to be treated equally, that is the only equitable relief.

Be careful what you wish for, Prop 8 idiots. I'd love to see you trying to explain why spouses can't see each other in hospital any longer, or why survivors pensions are no longer paid, or any of the other 1400 federal and however many State benefits are stopped.

[Danascot]

21. What's so amusing about their assertions

is that you just know they're dying to do all the stuff they talk about:

Bisexual group marriage, check.

Abandoning their children, check

Man-on-dog sex, check

ad nauseum