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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:39 PM
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Iran wants to supply region with nuclear energy
Source: AFP

GENEVA — Iran wants to build up its nuclear energy programme and provide power plants and nuclear fuel to other countries in the region in the future, a senior Iranian official said on Tuesday.

Mohammad Javad Larijani, secretary general of Iran's High Council for Human Rights, said Tehran wanted to break through Western reluctance to supply the Middle East with a much-needed energy source when oil supplies dwindle.

"We are going to help other nations in the region, we are going to help anyone who wants," Larijani told journalists.



Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5houJviDm0cZNshPJdA2JKRtN0wHw



Iran facing blackouts?

TEHRAN, Feb. 16 (UPI) -- A failure by the Iranian government to pay producers of electricity threatens to push the national grid into a state of failure, industry executives said.

Mohammad Parsa, the chairman of the Iranian Electricity Industry Union, told the Reformist-leaning Iranian Labor News Agency that the industry was falling behind on loan payments because of a lack of government funding.

"If this situation persists, we will not be able to honor our commitments and we will also lose our foreign market," he warned, adding shortfalls could create blackouts for Iran.

He said the government has failed to honor its payments, meaning several producers in the electrical sector are forced to operate at a minimum capacity.

He said the government owes electricity producers about $5 billion, which is roughly the same amount the sector owes the banks.

more:http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/02/16/Iran-facing-blackouts/UPI-68981266332039/
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:41 PM
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1. Yeah right.
No one believes the Iranian leadership any more. We know they are in the process of building nuclear weapons and are consistently threatening Israel.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:16 PM
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3. I don't know that at all.
Neither does anyone else. Lots of hype, lets see the evidence. Now, Israel's been hiding the fact they have many nukes, for years and it's never been mentioned, or questioned. The gov't of Israel seems to be hellbent on attacking, maybe getting their words thrown back at them and crying so much about it makes them seem more sympathetic ........ dunno. I'd like to see your proof Iran is making nukes ....... the IAEA has disagreed. Israel has refused to allow inspections or sign onto the NPT, unlike Iran. I think I know who to believe here. Jmo.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:42 PM
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2. Interesting - who would have thought that the leading government spokesman for
'human rights' would also be an nuclear energy expert.


Multitasking at a whole new level.

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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:25 PM
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5. I don't understand why the ME. with dwindling resources and in
some countries the lack of refineries to keep up with domestic consumption, are causing the already 'have nuclear energy' countries to go ballistic. Why is it right for some and not for others?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:03 PM
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9. It isn't a question of developing nuclear power but how they are trying to do it
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 02:04 PM by grantcart
It has to do with the fact that they continue to lie to the IAEA about what they are doing.

The IAEA has offered Iran a path to develop its nuclear industry, which Iran has refused.



http://blog.taragana.com/politics/2009/11/26/pressure-mounts-on-iran-at-elbaradeis-final-iaea-board-meeting-2545/

The text said that by building the new Fordu enrichment site near Qom, Iran was “in breach of its obligation to suspend all enrichment related activities” as decided by the Security Council, according to a draft obtained by DPA.

If the resolution is adopted, with a vote likely on Friday, it will be transmitted to the Security Council.

“It is a political signal,” a European diplomat said, referring to statements from the US and Western countries that they would start mulling further sanctions in January if Tehran did not come around in the nuclear stand-off.

Iran’s ambassador to the IAEA Ali Asghar Soltanieh warned that the agency’s inspections would be limited to a minimum if a resolution was passed, according to a report by the German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

Patience among world powers and at the IAEA is also running out as Iran had still not formally responded to a proposed multinational deal aimed at reducing tensions over the country’s nuclear programme.

ElBaradei said he was “disappointed” that Tehran had not responded to his draft agreement, under which Iran would ship out most of its stock of low-enriched uranium, in return for nuclear fuel made in Russia and France which would be used for a medical-purpose reactor in Tehran.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:21 PM
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10. Is every country developing nuclear power subject to the same
threat of sanctions, signed the NPT, allowed cameras and had their words and facts completely twisted time after time to make a case for 'they're going to bomb the world!!!!? The IEAE itself said years ago the 'facts' published about its inspections contained falsehoods. Is this another case of Hussein's WMD compliance report suddenly 'missing' thousands of pages when making a case against him? I guess we'll agree to disagree, I've lost a child, thinking of all the parents losing their children for politics, hypocrasy and lies makes me literally ill. Show us the bomb. I don't believe the hype any more than I did the WMD.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:42 PM
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11. the IAEA has protocols for developing nuclear power to ensure that

it is used for peaceful purposes.

Iran continues to violate those protocols and lie to the IAEA including having secret processing centers.

If Iran wanted to have a program that was exclusively for peaceful purposes they could have the authorization completed in a week.

Iran is trying to generate conflict with the outside world in order to generate support among the rural poor.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:45 PM
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12. I know exactly what the IAEA does.
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 05:05 PM by polly7
How many other countries have allowed cameras at their facilites? The IAEA itself said the info being put out was 'inaccurate'. Sorry, still don't believe the hype. Too many ME children suffering because of made-up scenarios favouring one country WITH nukes over any country seeking to develop nuclear energy. Of course, those with oil are always more dangerous and need to be demonized the most. That's just a given.

"Last December, however, The Times of London reported it had a secret document, which "intelligence agencies" dated to early 2007, proving that Iran was working on the final component of a "neutron initiator," the trigger for an atom bomb.

If true, this would leave egg all over the faces of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies whose December 2007 consensus was that Iran stopped seeking a bomb in 2003.

The Times credited an "Asian intelligence service" for having ably assisted with its story.

U.S. intelligence, however, has not confirmed the authenticity of the document, and Iran calls it a transparent forgery. When former CIA man Phil Giraldi sounded out ex-colleagues still in the trade, they, too, called the Times' document a forgery.

Shades of Saddam seeking yellowcake from Niger.

Are the folks who lied us into war on Iraq, to strip it of weapons it did not have, now trying to lie us into war on Iran, to strip it of weapons it does not have?

Maybe the Senate should find out before voting sanctions that will put us on the road to such a war, which would fill up all the empty beds at Walter Reed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20100216/cm_uc_crpbux/op_331...

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20100216/cm_uc_crpbux/op_331...


(Stolen from a post earlier by I can't remember who ....... thank you though).


IAEA rejects own reports, purpose, Non-Proliferation Treaty: Orwellian vote condemns compliant Iran

'IAEA reporting: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) recent report on Iran explains Iran’s new facility in Qom as designed for energy-grade nuclear material of 5% enrichment with no capability for weapons-grade refinement of 85%+ enrichment. The Director General of IAEA, Mohammad El-Baradei, reported the facility, “is nothing to be worried about.”

This follows a history of IAEA verification that all inspections of Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities, including surprise inspections, have all been in compliance with NPT protocol since 2003. In 2005, the IAEA Board of Governors issued a similar resolution to the current one: while finding no issue of NPT non-compliance they complained of the following:"

http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m11d28-IAEA-rejects-own-reports-purpose-NonProliferation-Treaty-Orwellian-vote-condemns-compliant-Iran

IAEA exposes US committee’s lies on Iran’s nuclear programs
By Peter Symonds
19 September 2006
Four years ago, President George Bush appeared before the UN General Assembly and demanded that the UN rubberstamp a war against Iraq that was based on flagrant lies about Saddam Hussein’s so-called weapons of mass destruction. Today, as Bush goes to the UN to demand tough action against Iran, American claims that Tehran has a nuclear weapons program have been exposed as fabrications.
The UN’s nuclear supervisory body—the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)—last week issued a stinging rebuttal of the “erroneous, misleading and unsubstantiated information” contained in a US congressional report entitled “Recognising Iran as a Strategic Threat: An Intelligence Challenge for the United States” released on August 23.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/iran-s19.shtml


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/01/05-8




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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:43 PM
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13. Your response is confused and incoherent

You state that you know what the IAEA does and then go on a belabored discussion on articles in the Times of London.

Its a very simple issue. Either you believe that countries should obey the protocols of the IAEA or you don't. The need for cameras and other survelliance is based on the degree of cooperation that a country offers. If you have an open door policy allowing inspectors in then cameras would not be as necessary. In any case here is the IAEA statement



http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2009/ebsp2009n002.html

The Agency has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, including all declared low enriched uranium.As the Report states, contrary to the request of the Board of Governors and the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities, or its work on heavy water related projects. Nor has Iran implemented the Additional Protocol, which, as with other countries with comprehensive safeguards agreements, is a prerequisite for the Agency to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities. Iran has not permitted the Agency to perform the required design information verification at the IR-40 reactor currently under construction, and it has not implemented the modified text of its Subsidiary Arrangements General Part on the early provision of design information.

The Agency regrettably was unable to make any progress on the remaining issues which give rise to concerns about possible military dimensions of Iran´s nuclear programme because of lack of cooperation by Iran.
For the Agency to be able to make progress, Iran needs to provide substantive information and access to relevant documentation, locations and individuals in connection with all of the outstanding issues.

Unless Iran implements the transparency measures and the Additional Protocol, as required by the Security Council, the Agency will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran. I again urge Iran to implement all measures required to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful nature of its nuclear programme at the earliest possible date and to unblock this stalemated situation. At the same time, I urge the Member States which have provided information to the Agency to agree to the Agency´s sharing of this information with Iran.



If Iran implements the additional protocols it will be in compliance and if it does not it will face additional sanctions. Either you stand with the bafoon Ahmadinejad or the IAEA. You have made your choice.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:04 PM
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14. I choose to stand for the truth.
You believe all the discrepancies, outright lies and manipulations of earlier reports, I believe Iran is years away from nuclear weapon capability, and if they ever do ever get it ....... well ......... so do you!! So does Israel, so does much of the world. I have made my choice. Sanction one country developing nuclear energy, sanction them all. Although I doubt 4000 children per month for a decade will die in Iran as they did in Iraq, economic terrorosim based on an article one day, a completely different set of facts the next, seems to satisfy you. But, thanks for the choice. ;-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:33 PM
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15. I know that Iran is years away from nuclear weapons - the IAEA article
supports that contention.

It does not mean that there current practices are consistent with the IAEA with which they are a signatory.

Either you support multilateral international organizations having more control of sensitive issues or you believe that each country can go their own way. Again you stand with Ahmadinejad against the IAEA.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:10 PM
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16. Do not tell me who I stand for.
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 07:16 PM by polly7
I stand for fairness and doing what we can as a civilized world to NOT start useless wars based on what 'could' happen years from now. Does your country go it's own way? Nah ..... never, right? Does any other country 'go it's own way?' Why never any answers to those kind of questions? Mine does, we have nuclear energy and no need for nuclear weapons. Again, stand for what you want - which apparently is McCain's theory, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran ..... but do NOT tell me I stand for someone whose internal policies I disagree with completely - btw, did you know Ahmadinejad is only a mouthpiece for those with the real power in Iran, or is that too much to look up? I do however believe the IAEA has been used as a tool and will continue to be used as one to portray whatever the real warmongers with nukes would like it to when it all boils down to it. We've seen this all before. The rhetoric against Iran is exactly as it was for Iraq. Oh ....... of all those countries WITH nukes, many with aid from the west ....... do you have complete faith in them all as allies?
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yava Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:42 AM
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17. it takes 10 years to conceive and build a nuke powerplant
and it is heavy in investment.
Iran say they need atleast 10 for their local needs and the 1st one is yet to be operational.
Their oil/gas sector (and production) are going down for lack of investment. Foreign investment is down strongly, mainly because of sanctions.
Where are they going to get the money and time to build enough nuke reactors to provide services to the region?
This is real bullshit and not serious claims. It would take 30 years for that.
Of course I will die long before then and some of the rest of us too but most likely, the Iranian regime will die first. I don't give them more than 5-10 years if Israel and the US leave them alone.
Targeted sanctions would be OK but war and talk of regime-change like from H. Clinton and others just makes them survive longer.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:24 PM
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4. ...and build bombs. nt
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:26 PM
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6. What about the countries already with bombs? nt.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:31 PM
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7. Too late. Bush let North Korea finish their bomb. The world community must stop Iran.
And no, it doesn't take bombings or invasion.

If Bush would have treated North Korea with diplomacy instead of like a punk kid, maybe there would be one less military dictatorship with the bomb.

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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:33 PM
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8. Not just North Korea secrets were shared with.
Ban ALL bombs. Picking and choosing has done nothing but make the rest rush to keep up.
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