Many Say U.S. Aims for World Domination

[deek]

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A majority of people living in Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan and Turkey say they believe the U.S. is conducting its campaign against terror to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world, according to an international poll released Tuesday.

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While seven in 10 in the United States feel their country takes into account the interests of other countries when making international policy decisions, few in the other countries shared that view.

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A solid majority of those in France, Germany, Russia, Pakistan and Jordan believe United States President Bush (news - web sites) and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) lied about the weapons of mass destruction they claimed were in Iraq.

more....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=19&u=/ap/international_poll

[grannylib]

1. Well no shit...read the PNAC documents, they clearly spell out this

group's intentions to do EXACTLY that, and to do it by waging all-out war, nuclear if necessary, to take over whatever part of the planet they don't already control.
The arrogant fucks make no secret of it at all...

Google "PNAC" if you're not already familiar with them and be prepared to weep....

[Columbia]

2. What are we going to do tonight, Brain?

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. The same thing we do EVERY night, Pinky...

(...it's dubya, it's dubya and his brain, brain, brain, brain...)

[LeftHander]

28. Pinky? Are you pondering what I'm pondering...?

Gosh Brain. Where are we going to find a hose and a rubber chicken at this hour?

[Barkley]

33. Brilliant!

[burrowowl]

3. No! Really!?

Why us poor Murikkkans only believe in Corporatism and Corporate democracy for all! Even for us, even when it is screwing us. No, no, Murikkkans know that the U$ is sooooooo benevolent, why we give soooooo much to furrin aid and not to Corps, Really!
Pay the taxes to Haliburton, Exxon, GE, GM, Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. etc.
What is good for GM (and other corps.) is good good for AMERICA!
Yeah, right.

[demdave]

4. Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan,Turkey, France, Germany and Russia

Britain and the United States. Really


And I hear Whitney Houston is in rehab again. :think:

[joeunderdog]

26. SSSSSSSShhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

[cliss]

5. Considering that many of the

people who live in Pakistan & Morocco don't have so much access to the media as we do, they're right on the mark.

How quaint. And they all seem to feel that the US is planning to take over the entire world and make it a satellite state of the US. Gosh, where ever did they get a notion like that?

It gets even worse. A friend of mine said he visited Sweden last summer. A young girl asked him if their country would get bombed if they (meaning civilians) spoke out against the war in Iraq.

These are kids who are saying this. Imagine that they will take with them their perceptions, and carry them into adulthood: fear and hatred of the US, which has now become a rogue state, the biggest terrorist of them all.

[demdave]

6. Young girls in Sweden don't have access to the Internet?

I could have sworn they have a modern society. Does she not have access to this and similar sites?

[cliss]

8. She probably does. I didn't find out her

age, but it sounds like she was around 12 or 13. The main point I was trying to make, is that we need to change our perception around the world, and we need to change it quickly. If kids in civilized countries feel that the US is willing to bomb a democratic country just for speaking out against them, just imagine how kids must feel in perceived 'hostile' countries.

I'm assuming the girl is not an isolated case. She must have heard this from friends at school, or at home.

We need to change our image abroad. I have read that most people in other countries despise Bush. However, they feel that Americans are, by and large decent people.

I may be wrong about that

[_Jumper_]

14. "Civilized countries"

So, what nations do you consider uncivilized...

P.S. That type of condescending mindset toward most of the world is a large reason America is hated.

[burrowowl]

12. My niece in Sweden does and

she is only 11.

[teryang]

7. Small group of fascists aim at US domination

I view the terrorist incident in Spain just prior to the election as the backdrop for an operation related to our upcoming election in November.

The obviously prepared in advance spin on the "victory of terrorism" is an attempt to stigmatize the election and characterize the will of the Spanish people as capitulation (who had been 80 percent opposed to the Iraq war from the beginning). But it is also a thinly disguised attempt to propagandize and precondition the American people about what election results should be in such a situation. This is the unbranded marketing effort designed to create the terms of a future dialogue based upon events which have not yet occurred. Why is it that this unelected junta in our country finds it necessary to attack democratically elected leaders?

The terrorist operation in Spain is a prodromal symptom of a larger operation to come.

[izzie]

10. Why else are we building bases around the Middle East?

And also moving into the Far East with bases? Do we really think Aussie will do it all for us. We have only a percent of our army in Iraq the rest are sailing the seas and in bases around the world, which we figure as our land.It is time we came home.I have been trying to get an answer to this question, what country are we not in? That is NOT IN.

[cliss]

11. You could be onto something.

I have read some peculiar threads about what really happened in Madrid last week. I was surprised about the theories (that it was not, in fact, Al-Qaida that was behind it). Nor was it the ETA.

However, if this was a planned event from our side of the Atlantic, it could very well backfire. As we speak, the crows are carping about how the Spaniards "let the Terrorists win" by changing their vote at the last second.

Consider this: there is a group of instigators here in this country who are planning to do the same thing here. Maybe a week or so before the elections. In the meantime, Bush is hurting badly in the polls. He's become a 'persona non grata'.

Explosion (somewhere). In the twinkling of an eye, the US is down on its knees, again. Question of the day: will the voting public turn back to the Devil Known, or will it turn away in disgust, knowing that their "Protector", aka Bush, has only made things worse for them?

I'd say it's a toss-up. I will keep your post in mind over the next few weeks, to see what happens at the White House. We'll know soon enough, won't we?

[teryang]

13. Thanks

...for your thoughtful response. Obviously, my theory is based upon fragmentary information. But there is nothing fragmentary about the media response here in the US. It shares the paradigm shift quality necessary to institute further radical departures from American tradition.

Viewed more simplistically, it involves discrediting the democratic process as being unreliable, weak, and too prone to "terrorist" manipulation. This is old fascist fare.

[Just Me]

32. I have similar serious concerns,...

,...considering the numerous parallels to that last guy whose name I will not speak.

[BiggJawn]

38. Which guy, the hack Vienese water-colourst?

Who was originally known as "Schickelgruber"?

Me too.

[tlcandie]

31. And where will TONS of dems/liberals and such be come

September 2004? Something is just TOO perfect here. I can't believe that they would choose NY and Ground Zero for the RNC and tout it that far ahead so that dems have such a LONG time ahead to plan and be there for protests, etc.

Reminds me of how they view Iraq...a fly-paper magnet to draw all the terrorists together into one place and fight them on their ground rather than ours.

With this reasoning what is their dirty secret and reason behind NY's RNC in September? You have to wonder and speculate about it because nothing good comes from these people. All they know is control, manipulation, spin, and propaganda.

I firmly believe they have nothing to loose and everything to gain, at least in their minds, by something of great magnitude happening close to the 2004 elections in order to cause FEAR, PANIC, and CHAOS!

The only questions for me are exactly when, where, what and who will be affected?

Conspiracy theories you say? I don't think so. They have a record (rap sheet)that is long and horrible enough that if any police official from another country looked at they would be arrested IMMEDIATELY!

This cabal will lie, cheat, kill, steal...WHATEVER method they deem necessary for the win! It's been proven, so don't be surprised when all hell breaks loose before the actual elections or immediately thereafter to keep this jerk in office.

[illuminaughty]

16. do you mean like...

problem-reaction-solution?

create a situation...declare martial law and they can avoid all those pesky elections..no need to even involve Diebold. you know, Patriot Act The Final Chapter!

[xchrom]

20. my fav spin argument these days

in the light of the madrid bombings -- is that europe had come to see that bush was right and that it's now time to fight terror.
when the fuck hasn't europe been fighting terror for say oh forty years now?
your theory is plausible on so many levels -- and there are so many voices pointing out that this corporate facist pinnacle and terrorist activity are operating almost exactly paralell to each other. makes for an interesting horse race.

[ithacan]

29. democracy is bad!!!

Democracy is weak, it is bad, it leaves us open to attack!

Only strength will protect us!

Cancel the elections or the terrorists will win!

Cancel the bill of rights, or the terrorists will win!

Yes, this is the wetdream of the neocons and of the religious right.

Both are elements of the neofascism that is moving to dominate this country, and then, the world.

[bemildred]

36. I agree about the propaganda blitz and it's purpose,

to condition the terms of debate about response to other
attacks. But I question whether this is an attempt at defensive
prophylaxis or preparation for offensive actions. As in Israel,
the continuing inability of the "leaders" to stop attacks on the
civilian population leaves them vulnerable to backlash and
replacement, as just happened to PP in Spain. One sees continuous
propaganda activities designed to paper this over and project
the desired interpretation on the population when these events
occur, which is to stay the course, and continue backing those in
power. This is reinterpreted as striking back at the terrorists,
not giving in to them, when in fact there is no reason to think
the terrorists are not as happy as pigs in shit to have these
incompetent twits remain in charge.

The argument itself, of course, is ridiculous. It is tantamount to
saying that you should not replace incompetent leadership because
then the enemy will know they are incompetent and attack, or
something along that line. The enemy has already attacked, and
showed an excellent understanding of our weaknesses. The question
is are we going to get someone in charge who is able and willing
to do something about it, or not?

[_Jumper_]

9. If Shrub wins, this damage will be irreversible for a generation

:scared:

[teryang]

15. I think this is an understatement

The damage already done in the first four years will take a generation to overcome. Another four years will not be "overcome" but result in the permanent dismantling of the Constitution.

[TahitiNut]

35. "America first! ... and then the World!"

This is just another clear indication to me that neofascism is deeply entrenched and widely embedded in our nation's institutions and the electorate itself. It seems abundantly clear that a "phase 1" subversion that gained significant velocity over 20 years ago is seen as effectively complete and "phase 2" has been underway for at least 3 years. For the Democrats to win just one Presidential election is but a drop in the democratic bucket. The mere fact that the major Democratic presidential candidates were all on the right of the world political spectrum is just a further indication of our precarious condition. Arguments that any particular candidate was on the "left" are pure mythology -- except insofar as the narrower American political spectrum itself has shifted far to the right. When some candidate gets "100%" on some liberal scale measured against those questions that were actually able to come before the Legislature is testimony to the fact that the questions themselves are scattered solely on the right.

[htuttle]

37. Heute die Welt und Morgens das Sonnensystem

...as they say.

[TahitiNut]

40. ... und so weiter.

Ja wohl.

[w4rma]

17. The folks taking over the world own the big multinational corporations

We normal folks here in America are their ignorant dupes. We won't be sharing in the spoils. We'll just be one of the world's second class citizens once they are through with all of us.

The goal, from what I can tell, is a permanent world-wide aristocracy.

[sweetheart]

18. Read the detaill yourself

It is possible that even you yourself are unaware of how much of
a power grab the USA military has made in the name of empire these
recent years. It is obvious where they are doing it, as the military
is there in your face.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0805070044/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-2364606-5467144#reader-page

"the sorrows of empire" by chalmers johnson

The facts speak louder than lies.

[xchrom]

19. where would anyone get such a silly idea?

maybe from all the military bases strung around the world like a pearl necklace?

[booksenkatz]

21. Lying about WMDs is not a matter of "belief"

That's like saying "a solid majority of those in France, Germany, Russia, Pakistan and Jordan believe the sky is blue on a clear day." Some things are simply not a matter of "belief." This administration's lies are exposed day after day; it's just sad that so many people (in America, at least) wish to deny the existence of those lies.

And the fact that 70% of Americans polled feel that America is considerate of other countries' interests and needs in forming its policy decisions, Christ, that has to be the most stunning and sad thing I've ever read. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask that 70% to provide a link, please!

[rman]

22. many, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz ...

it's not a secret.

see
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[Disturbed]

24. Shrubco

These criminals are making enemies of former allies. It is ironic that people in other nations know this yet 50% of the American sheep still support the Shrubco goons.

[0007]

25. What could be more obvious?

We put troops in any country's we want -

We tell other countries who to elect -

We dictate to the U.N. -

We threaten anyone who doesn't go along with a U.S. agenda -

We support dictators and support their government -

[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. Major "duh".

[Barkley]

30. "God Bless America

... and no place else."

From Chris Rock's movie:
"Head of State"


I was researching ballistic missile proliferation on line and came across the following document. Its truly incredible, scary and sad.


"A number of countries with regional ambitions do not welcome the U.S. role as a stabilizing power in their regions and have not accepted it passively. Because of their ambitions (not ours), they want to place restraints on the U.S. capability to project power or influence into their regions. They see the acquisition of missile and WMD technology as a way of doing so."


"Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States"
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/missile/rumsfeld/execsum.htm

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. Aim?

You don't "aim for" what you already have. :cry:

[BiggJawn]

39. Meanwhile, in Murka..."Tonight, on a VERY Special 'Friends'..."

(cue laugh track)

At least I'm in the 30% the Neo-cons and BFEE haven't been able to bullshit.

"UGLY Americanism" is our new foreign policy. and most Murkans love it, as shown by their use of the code phrase "Bush is tough on Terror. He don't take no shit from namby-pamby countries..."

Lebensraum.