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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 05:55 AM Original message |
Turkish girl reportedly buried alive for talking to boys |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Real love...... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Can't summon words so I'll just k&r. n/t |
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Wardoc (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
3. It makes you wonder... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
98. You are assuming that he ever held or talked to the girl. nt |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
116. In tribal societies, one "dishonorable" act by a family member could mean the death of your clan |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
163. Yeah... |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:10 AM Response to Reply #116 |
186. So what? No justification for this. |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
147. yes... Incomprehensible.. absolutely incomprehensible.. |
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willing dwarf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. Horror beyond words |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. As a father, I can't imagine anything that would drive me to this |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. ..or even consider it ....let alone let it happen. I keep thinking I have... |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
187. That's where I am. I've come to realize that being shocked anew will never cease. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. This is the conservative-Republican model of family... |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Hyperbole |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
175. Thank you for some Sanity.... |
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BennyD (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Not even close. This doesn't compare to ANY American values I know of. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. This happens in America all the time. It has nothing to do with Values |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
97. You make an excellent point. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #97 |
110. Yet there are many "Christians" who want to stone people to death... |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. There are those Christians, true. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #110 |
150. They may "want to"...but they don't and neither their religion nor their culture sanctions it. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #110 |
194. Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #97 |
131. Not only him - |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Yes. I wonder to what degree anybody besides Daddy |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
164. Well, motivations count, I'm afraid.....Especially |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
76. Something similar happened here in Wisconsin |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. The end result may be the same.... |
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BennyD (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
96. the end result may have been the same but one hoped for healing and the other punishment. n/t |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
107. It is absurd to compare an incident |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
174. False equivalence again?....Perhaps the "end" effect is the same |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
113. Horseshit. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
124. Bull. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
166. Give me a break... |
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jennied (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. WTF |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
8. Disgusting. And a lot of TURKS and other Muslims will think so, too. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Turks will be horrified. This sounds more sociopathic than religious. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. I wonder...will there be the same outrage if the Taliban regains control of Afghanistan |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Women have it just as bad under our puppet Karzai right now. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. We won't leave women well off in Iraq, either. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
77. +1, No Elephants. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Well with that thinking---let's invade Turkey-- |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
42. What's your point? (And a word on unintended consequences) |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
118. Who gives a flying fuck? Empire is bad, no matter what "good" we may be doing. nt |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
12. religion |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. No religion teaches anyone to bury their daughter alive. Please see Reply # 26. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. Fanaticism does. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
176. it's not responsible |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
66. There is absolutely no suggestion that this had anything to do with religion |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
13. And there you have it, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. And such slutty behavior! Exchanging conversation with the opposite sex! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Meh. I'm betting she backtalked them and that was their real motive. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
15. That will show her! |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. ..nothing "computes" here as you point out. I hope she is at peace. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
17. So, you want to kill your own daughter, but you can't even do it mercifully? |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
18. At least the Family Honor was appropriately preserved |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. With all due respect, bullshit. How many women have been buried alive bc of 1 Timothy 2:11? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
167. ...And it WAS a few Centuries ago!.....Gotta remember that ! |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. How many women have been beaten and subjugated because of Timmy? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
140. In the Genesis Creation story |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Of course this has more to do with misogyny than religion, but... |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Sexist people, resorting to religion as their excuse for their sexism. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
59. Oh please. Read through the Old Testament. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
169. Yes, .but the operative word here is "Old" |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
74. Religion Provides a Shield For Misogyny, Homophobia, and Racism. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
171. Some religions, Toaster, some! |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
102. How about you correct that recto-cranial inversion and consider the simple fact.... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #102 |
173. How 'bout correcting yours?...so you can stop trying so hard |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
21. There is nothing quite like waking up to a horror story... |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Admit it..you like a good dose of reality with your coffee. Lets you know where you stand. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Well then, good thing thing these men did this. Else the story would not have been here for you |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
142. I never said anything about feeling good about it. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. One thing I've learned in my relatively long stay on this planet... |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
143. No it is not at all...and it has an irritating ability to force a person to face it. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
137. Couldn't agree more... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
28. Poor, precious child. |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
32. What does THIS say about YOUR FAMILY HONOR NOW boys??!?!?! |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
34. holy DAMN... there are TWO HUNDRED of these a year in Turkey?? |
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seeinfweggos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
181. only 400 murders in the whole country in a year? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
35. did`t take long for some to blame religion. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I wonder if it could be because "Honor Killing" is, in fact, being done in the name of religion? |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. The religion is just an excuse for behavior they would engage in anyway, |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Very True |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
182. nonsense. Palestinian and Lebanese Christians do honor killings, also. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
36. . |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
37. There are no words... |
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anachro1 (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
43. That girl |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
44. Just when I think that nothing can shock me anymore, I'm proven wrong. |
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MARALE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
45. It makes me wonder about the relationship between the Father and Child |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
46. And how were the boys punished? Oh, right. Never mind. nt |
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architect359 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Not the boys fault nor the girl's in this matter! |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
71. So...You'd Be Cool With This If the BOYS Were Buried Alive As Well? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. anytime posters preface a "question" with "So..." |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
50. Gimme that old time religion. n/t |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
65. There is absolutely no suggestion that this had anything to do with religion |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #65 |
80. You can sing that song |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
106. The bigotry of the left is still bigotry. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Bigotry? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Who called this a bastardization of religion? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. No, it's not |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. I see fit to grind it here. |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
52. i have an honest question, why hasn't Islam abolished this "cultural" practice |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Easy answer. Islam is the last major religion where any man can be a KING... |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That is a good question... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. For one thing, there is no "Islam Central" that can make rulings for all Muslims |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
152. b-b-but I thought all of them Muslims were the same. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
170. Abolish it? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
54. Yay, Religion! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. There is absolutely no suggestion that this had anything to do with religion |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #67 |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
56. How honorable is murder? |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
57. Human beings are so primitive and backward. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. Disgusting. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
62. Turkey? Turkey? Now why does that country ring a bell? OH, YEAH!!! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #62 |
84. To be fair, I know people who have visited Turkey, and they have all |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. A country where headscarves are banned for government employees |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I agree, however... |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #85 |
191. yes, Turkey is secular |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. I agree... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
112. Turkey is actually resisting its fundamentalists |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
63. Why are we fighting for an Islamic republic in Afghanistan, again? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
64. That'll teach her. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
68. This is an evil crime |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
69. How is this different than the Mom who drowned her own kids... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The mother with the kids in the bathtub had post partum depression. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #72 |
158. Not totally different. Both related to fundamentalist religion. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #158 |
165. Do tell.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
73. Deleted sub-thread |
Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
75. sick. Horrifying! |
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DonCarnage (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
83. Why is everyone so surprised? |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
162. Congratulations! DonCarnage has "lived on this planet since (he) was born!" |
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AzNick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
86. Usually not a partisan of "do the same to the murderer" but... hmmm ... thinking about it? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
87. Just like christians do here all the time - I learned that on DU |
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Crowman1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
88. Hopefully Turkey will stamp out the spread of Saudi Wahhabism. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
89. proof that we're not descended from apes |
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Ed76638 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
91. This is all about the shame and fear produced by religion. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
108. The article makes no mention of religion. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
117. Honor killings are more about tribalism than religion |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Yes, you do see it in the West. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. In 1st generation immigrant populations, yes. But not with 2nd and 3rd. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. That's not what you said. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Whoah. Why so defensive? If it is about fundamentalism then it is about religion. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Not defensive at all. That's your take. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #126 |
177. Prosecution helps. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #120 |
183. yes, among Christians in Albania and Sicily also, not just Muslims. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #117 |
156. Actually honour killings in Europe and the UK are a problem. |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
93. The Religiously Insane |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
94. To one extent or another I believe all religions |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
128. Several Major Religions Are Based On A Man Willing To Kill His Infant Son /nt |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #128 |
161. Based on? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #161 |
180. That is their foundational story, yes |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #94 |
129. Men bastardize lots of things besides religion. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
168. Hell, that's probably the ORIGIN of most religions. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
95. Deleted message |
leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Christianity is also |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Because of the apparent fact |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. A different reason |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I saw it here |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
99. Why would a parent sacrifice over 16 years of their life |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. In some cases it's for financial gain through shrewdly arranged marriages, etc. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
114. Disgusting. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
123. Deleted sub-thread |
Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
125. How inhuman! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
130. Religion at work! |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
134. according to th BBC this wasn't religiously motivated |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. So Why Is Talking to Boys Taboo? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. it predates Islam.... |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. What's the Reason Talking To Boys Is Wrong? |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Shia law is growing throughout Islam including Turkey... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. Daddy and Gramps just don't like it |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #139 |
155. If it predates Islam why doesn't the Koran specifically address this outrage |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #155 |
184. actually, the Koran expressly forbids this kind of killing. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #184 |
190. It can hardly be explicit, if it were explicit it would not be so common. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. Well I think alot of times... |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Not eating pork is not at all universal . Only Judaism and Islam forbid pork. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #134 |
144. The BBC reporter is a sociologist? |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
148. Are these "people"(??) even human? n/t |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
149. "The Dynamics of Honor Killings in Turkey" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
151. From the BBC article on this tragic event: |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Yours is the third link to this article in this thread... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Killing girls for being girls seems like a pretty stupid tradition |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #159 |
179. Deleted message |
Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #151 |
178. The BBC is more subtle in its anti-Islamic bias. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
154. As though murdering her wasn't enough to satisfy their f*ing male "honor." |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
157. Could Islam help us against honor killings? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. "honor killings go against even the most conservative interpretations of the shariah" |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #157 |
172. The "four eyewittnesses" requirement |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
185. As usual, I'm horrified that humans can do this to another humans. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
188. recommend |
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yellowwood (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
189. So Awful |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
195. "Eye for an eye" time. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
196. Solution to Middle East Problem: Provide Automatic Weapons to ALL Women only. |
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