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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:16 PM Original message |
AP sources: Obama OKs taxing high-end health plans |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Problem is many high end plans are for middle income workers |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Just like the public option promise. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. He's not very good at keeping his promises -- unless you're a corporation. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Or a fan of endless war |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The tax is on the insurance companies-not the people. n/t |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So of course there will be no pass-through; there will be no "adjustments" |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. That's right. But go right ahead and jump to conclusions and accuse Obama of |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Psst, I have this bridge for sale, real cheap |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. McCain wanted to tax benefits. Obama campaigned against that approach nt |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Funny how that all changed now.... n/t |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. That was broken with the mandate |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
51. A promise??????????????? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. And of course he has never given anyone reason to. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. jesus, he broke one promise after another. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Well, to be fair, it's really hard to think when you can't breathe through all the sand. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. And we all know that taxes are absorbed by corporations. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. . |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Oh right, like anyone believes that. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Sales taxes are on the businesses too you know. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. I thought the tax was on the employers |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I know a friend of mine is worried about this |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
92. lastliberal, you got that right |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. The insurance companies will then pass the tax costs on to their customers. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. And union members who took wage concessions for years to get decent health care. KILL THIS BILL. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. Enjoy your one and only presidential term, President Obama. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Got that right. Look like this administration is gonna cost me more than the last one. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Shit, Shit, Shit,Shit, Shit. |
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Crzyrussell (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Maybe it is |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I think you got it exactly backwards n/t |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. He's looking like the "Manchurian President", isn't he? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Yeah, he is. nt |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. "Blue Collar Union Health Plans" Is The More Accurate Term |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. +best answer. nt |
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Guilded Lilly (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
14. Clear it up for me someone... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Like a sales tax is on the business not you. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. As a SBO |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. You are correct. |
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Proletariatprincess (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is a sell out. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. I told my union I will exercise my "Beck Rights" if they support even |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
93. what's a beck right? n/t |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
19. Why is progressive taxation great for income in cash and not OK for income in benefits? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. Because this is a middle-class tax |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
91. + |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
20. So much for organized labor helping out in this fall's campaigns. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. my union is strongly against this |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I really wonder who has Obama's ear. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. Remember, this is the Orahma administration. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. Rather . . . Obama and the Dems should have been creating a health care |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
23. Isn't this a way of getting rid of the double tier insurance coverage plan...... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. It is based on the cost of the premium whether it's called 'cadillac' or not |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
86. Yep |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. My understanding is its superior because you actually get coverage. |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
94. Last I heard, |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Read up. This is total bullshit. |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
64. A "cadillac" plan is over 23,500. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
97. You do understand that is part of a bill that will eliminate pre-existing conditions |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. And will not lower the cost of existing plans |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. A "cadillac" plan is over 23,500. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. You're misinformed. First off, unions EARNED this coverage. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
24. Yeah, I saw that story on Yahoo |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. Way to outmaneuver LBJ |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Nevermind, who needs actual votes from citizens? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
37. Another day. Another capitulation. |
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JelloSka (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-06-10 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. Instead of him saying it on CSPAN, he sent anonymous aides to the Press |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
39. I'm just going to wait and see what happens |
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Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'm a union member and have one of these so called "Cadillac" insurance plans |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. When you try and soak the rich |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
44. I sure hope this will be Bush's last term |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
47. Twelve long disastrous years of Bush/Obama... the national nightmare continues. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
48. How do they think they will avoid massive civil unrest over |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
79. American Idol, McDonald's and XBox. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
49. Obama is screwing up. The Senate can bend. (nt) |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
50. KILL THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
52. another serious lack of judgment by obama/rahm |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
53. How exactly will this tax work....will these plans now be taxed as income? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
54. it just keeps on getting worse and worse, in order to pass "something"! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
55. With every step, the Rahm/Obama team break promises and betray the people... |
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MrsBrady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
57. I'd like to know how much this tax is? does anyone know? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. The version passed... |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
61. Obama Backs Cadillac Tax as Pelosi Faces Discord on Health Bill |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. WTF is a "Cadillac Plan"? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Substitute the word "cadillac" for "union". nt |
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Efilroft Sul (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
96. Exactly! People are using Frank Luntz-type terminology here. N/T |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Only 3% of all plans qualify as Cadillac plans - many of those are not union plans |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Great. Another president who thinks his base is "the haves and have mores." |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
67. boy, this guy really sucks. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. His lie about not campaigning on the PO proved that. With video evidence. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. Except those Cadillac Plans aren't really Cadillac abd this is breaking another promise to the union |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
73. Wow more change! |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
74. More union busting from Bush Lite. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
75. what does 'high-end health insurance' mean? nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Whatever they want it to mean, as long as it benefits corporations over us. |
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shadesofgray (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. Next up: privatizing social security |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I wouldn't be surprised. Obama is already privatizing public schools at a brisk rate. (nt) |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
87. Obama Urges Excise Tax on High-Cost Insurance |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. yeah, they're taking their time with this scam... |
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Ed76638 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. What is it with politicians and political suicide? |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
90. Let's face it, he's becoming a nightmare. Promise after promise is being broken. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
95. I'm sure many have seen the graph since the 1930's on progressive tax |
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