Accused spy is cousin of Bush staffer (gulp)

[Jacobin]

WASHINGTON -- The woman charged with working for the Iraqi spy agency is a distant cousin of President Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, and has held a variety of jobs in journalism and on Capitol Hill.

Susan Lindauer, 41, worked in the press offices of four Democratic members of Congress. She also worked for Fortune magazine, U.S. News & World Report, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and Fox News.

Her father, John Lindauer, was the Republican nominee for governor in Alaska in 1998. His campaign unraveled because of charges of campaign finance violations to which he pleaded no contest

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Spy%20Case%20Profile



Should be an interesting family reunion

[Florida_Geek]

1. The good news is the talk about Card first then the

Dems.

[private_ryan]

2. hahahahaha

after seeing freeps celebrating about her being a dem, this is priceless!

[buff2]

8. I read that too when I went slumming

over at freak republic. They were hee hawing all over the place because she worked for a dem. I swear,each glorious day brings me so much satisfaction when I hear about all the sh*t coming down on those horrible repukeliKKKans. Each day gets better and better... :evilgrin: :toast:

[RainBoy]

37. yet absolutely meaningless and

makes us look like morons. Why in the hell would we want to give loudmouth blowholes like limbomb and shameity more ammunition to use against us like this?

"The woman iraqi spy was a relative of a staffer in the white house but she voted dem, she worked for dems, she was a dem advocate and an admitted anti-war activist". good god. People who really hate bush will focus on the first part but what remains is what everyone else will focus on.

Talk about starting a fire to ward off the enemy but burning our own house down in the process.

This crap will backfire.

the democrats ought to leave this alone.

[Beetwasher]

3. Her Father Was a Repub Nominee for Gov.

Described thusly:

"His campaign unraveled because of charges of campaign finance violations to which he pleaded no contest."

She's related to Card, but she worked for 4 Dems? Now she's arrested for connections w/ Iraq? Something's real fishy here...A mole gone awry? Mere speculation on my part.

Fascinating story though. She spread herself around Democratic campaigns like cheap butter.

Another interesting bit:

"Gary Gambill, editor of the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, an online publication dealing with Arab politics, said Lindauer sent him a copy of her 1998 deposition in litigation related to the December 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

In the deposition, she said Libyan officials had been wrongly accused of orchestrating the bombing and that Libya was entitled to "financial compensation for the economic harassment her people have endured because of these blatantly false accusations.""

She also describes herself as an anti-war activist.

Quite a character, this one. Gotta love that smirk in the pic. Sorta looks familiar.

[orwell]

4. Innocent Until...

Maybe she's not guilty of anything.

Not that I would impune that Asscrack's Justice Department would ever make a mistake or engage in a political witch hunt. :eyes:

O

[Beetwasher]

5. Merely Speculating

Nuthin' wrong w/ that...

Fascinating story though. She spread herself around Democratic campaigns like cheap butter.

Another interesting bit:

"Gary Gambill, editor of the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, an online publication dealing with Arab politics, said Lindauer sent him a copy of her 1998 deposition in litigation related to the December 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

In the deposition, she said Libyan officials had been wrongly accused of orchestrating the bombing and that Libya was entitled to "financial compensation for the economic harassment her people have endured because of these blatantly false accusations.""

She also describes herself as an anti-war activist.

Quite a character, this one. Gotta love that smirk in the pic. Sorta looks familiar.

[whistle]

6. Do the FBI or CIA or Homeland Security (HLS)...

...have dossiers on potential lone nut assassins out there? The news is starting to get creepy:scared:

[struggle4progress]

12. Agreed

But she's not charged with espionage. She's charged with currency violations (Iraqis reimbursed expenses for travel to Iraq prior to war) and for being an unregistered foreign agent (apparently because she delivered a prewar letter to a govt official (Card?) explaining she had developed contacts with the Iraqis).

Headline I would hope to see:
Card charged Cousin with Treason for Attempt to Stop March to War

[kitkatrose]

20. <Snort>

She spread herself around Democratic campaigns like cheap butter.

That's priceless. You certainly have a way with words.

[EFF BrandyWine]

28. I love that one too!

+

[KoKo]

7. Her name sounds very familiar. Did any DU'ers connect her to something

in the past?

I don't have time to Google, her tonight, but there's more to this than meets the eye. I'm sure she's been involved with something our DU'ers have done research on besides this brief bio.

[roguevalley]

9. her old man ran for repug governor here and was tossed out due to

campaign money indiscretions. I can't remember exactly
what they were but it was terribly entertaining for a
while. He's a nut. She can't be far behind.

[suegeo]

23. this article on her father seems interesting

http://www.icepeople.net/mark/lindauer.html

note the ties to the Illinois Republican party, the rich second wife, and using $$$ to fund the green party in alaska to take away support/votes for the democratic rival.

and oh, why am I not surprised: there is some shady $$$ dealings with a guy from ... FLORIDA.

[struggle4progress]

11. See other threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x414619

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1219226

[whatelseisnew]

18. Yes, 'Lockerbie' connection, cover-up

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

10. She seems like a nut, her job history is bizzare to say the least

and practically none of her employers have anything good to say about her, if they say anything at all... a sure sign of odd behavior.

[goforit]

31. So you believe what the Press is telling ya?

Hmmmmmmm......

[peacetalksforall]

13. Ok this is how the author or script writer would frame it...

She is really a political spy and tried to spy on Dems. She was probably given a job related to the ME based on a friendship or relationship with someone that could have been useful to the PNAC and cabal agenda and some value someone saw in her contacts. However, she went off in too many directions endangering the Pub agenda. Additionally, she may have pocketed some private monies outside the agenda or she could have been set-up in some misunderstanding about the money to take her out of action. Or she could have been taken out of action through the arrest because of recklessness and/or imagination and/or uncontained ego or an inability to analyze or provide credible accounts and interpretations. So, she'll be silenced in prison for a long time - enough time for some things to cool down. But then, some hero, a Judicial Watch Larry type figure, will step forward and try to defend her political and intelligence role and handling and new theories all unsubstantiated, however it will all be left suspended in the Washington-Maryland air vortex that seems to prevent truth from settling to the ground even in a hard rain.

Well, I've always kinda thought that PNAC had an agreement with Hussein. He could not announce that he partnered with them - he had to put up a fight for his believers. Maybe he's a cabal pussy cat. Anyway, you don't hear a thing about the progress of his interrogation, do you?

[struggle4progress]

14. Disagree

Suspect she's a sincere but naive person who ran afoul of Administration by getting in the way of the march to war. Suspect body of indictment involves technical fouls she should have avoided. Suspect further Administration tried to entrap her last summer but didn't get much, beyond some stupid missteps on her part useful for propaganda purposes.

[MaineDem]

15. I detest Andrew Card

He may be the slimiest member of the BFEE. I'd trust him with nothing other than dirty tricks. I'm convinced there's a link here somewhere.

[truthisfreedom]

16. good. add it to the list of things going wrong for bush.

[demdave]

21. I don't see your logic here. Her second cousin turns her in,

her second cousin works for Bush. How is this bad for Bush?

[cleofus1]

17. she is naive...

She is an idealist with strongly held beliefs. Very intelligent and a firm believer in world peace. I think the only info she handed over to the iraqis were a couple of essays on world peace. The mirror image of the uni-bomber.

[NNN0LHI]

19. My impression of her from seeing her perp walk was that she was nuts

I ain't no doctor, but I was feeling sorry for her after what I saw and heard her saying on the way to the slammer. They need to let her see a doctor, not be arresting her I think? That was my take on it anyway.

Don

[Barrett808]

22. Namebase doesn't have her, but here are two other Lindauers

LINDAUER EDWIN R JR
LINDAUER HARRY

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb02?Na=Lindauer

[DoNotRefill]

24. He turned her in....

eom

[struggle4progress]

25. or manipulated her into the whole thing from day one?

[DoNotRefill]

26. come on...

that's REALLY grasping for straws....

[struggle4progress]

27. OK

You're right. Nothing whatsoever supports this sort of speculation, except that the WH is generally scummy.

She has a strange political history, and some familial political connections I find distasteful. I'm still trying to figure out what she really did.

Has anybody on this board been able to read the indictment?

I can only work from press coverage. It looks like she tried some private diplomacy aimed at getting inspectors into Iraq, making some trips to Iraq for which she was reimbursed expenses, and left a letter outside cousin Card's house explaining that she had contacts with the Iraqis; half a year later, an FBI agent posing as a Libyan gets her to drop some packages for him. I've seen no claim that she had any access to sensitive documents or handed over any sensitive documents. This probably spells "entrapment" and certainly spells "fruitcake," but I'm having trouble finding your reading "traitor" (in your post on one of these threads).

Somehow I don't see this as a gripping tale about a heroic White House patriot alerting the Feds to the treasonous acts of his Democratic cousin. Perhaps the story is WH slimeballs use nutcase for political gain.

[DoNotRefill]

36. Treason is in part defined as....

giving aid or comfort to the enemy.

How's that for a specific definition? Want to read it in it's entirety? Whip out your pocket copy of the US Constitution, and read Article III Sec. 3, where it's spelled out.

I'd think the treason charge would stem from the discussions she had with the undercover Fibbie. According to the published reports, she talked about strategy and how to fund armed resistance groups in Iraq after the war. Unless her comments to the Fibbie were along the lines of "No thanks, I don't want to help people kill other people, even after we invaded their country", the odds are excellent that she could be charged and sucessfully convicted of treason. You don't have to give away classified information for there to be treason. There just has to be 2 witnesses or a confession in open court. Given how the Fibbies operate, I'm sure they've got the witnesses, and have it recorded six ways from Sunday.

Believe it or not, I seriously doubt Card was happy to get the letter. And in his defense, I think he did the right thing by turning it over. Please note: This doesn't mean I like the guy, just that I think he acted appropriately in this one specific situation, based upon the information I have in hand at this point. Of course, I only have published reports to go on, and consequently don't have sufficient details to be completely sure.

[struggle4progress]

40. Still need to see detailed indictment

I still don't know with certainty EXACTLY WHAT she supposedly did and WHEN. I'm not spinning this around in my mind until I have more cud to chew.

But truth, I think, is often a very tangled spaghetti. I expect you won't be surprised to learn that I'm one of those who believe that Mati Hari was simultaneously a naive wannabe, a compulsive liar, and an innocent victim of Franco-German intrigue.

[bpilgrim]

33. obviously takes the 'bush doctrine' very seriously

she probably spamed him sith DU articles proving the IRAQ INVASION was a WAR CRIME :evilgrin:

peace

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[daleo]

30. I don't know what to make of it all

But an interesting feature is that it brings her letter about Syria being responsible for the Lockerbie bombing into play at this critical time in PNAC's apparent desire to go after Syria. Also, it takes the heat off of Libya for Lockerbie, which is handy since Bushco and Blair have kissed and made up with Khaddafi.

They have probably had charges ready to go for some time, but held off until now for various strategic reasons. As for her, she is probably just a harmless idealist that they have used for their own purposes - just a hunch.

[goforit]

32. Why are the *'s panicking to keep the Lockerbie story covered up?

Hmmmmmm........

Does this have anything to do with the plethora of plane
crashes that follow Poppy's footprints?

[RainBoy]

34. Yeah, so...

Attempting to link this crazy woman to the Bush Administration is really pushing it to the limits. It only adds fodder for people like Limbaugh and Hannity to make us Dems look stupid considering that she worked for Dems, lived in a heavy Dem town, and supported Dem agendas like the antiwar people. If she worked with the bushless people it would be totally rightious for us to portray her like that but that ain't the way it is. Let's not allow them the opportunity to use this woman against us by trying to use her to belittle the bushless folk.

[goforit]

35. This seems to worry you, eh?.....................LOL!!!!........It should.

There are only so many crimes that can be swept under the
rug before it haunts ya.

Thanks for posting, you have just confirmed it.

[peacetalksforall]

38. I find the sensitivities of new members kind of interesting...

so many new members are always telling we jaded posters that we are pushing the limits and how we will create fodder for the Limbaughs. I agree when we talk about hoping Ashcroft will die, but in discussing something like this, I say - don't worry - explore all avenues. Hannity and Limbaugh have enough to do with putting down congresspeople and cable victims. There types were smearing Dems for decades before DU.

Your protest is nearly a defense of Resident Deficit and his army on this issue. Facts, links, creativity of countering, and reasoning power will help here.

You say she is crazy.
You say linking her will make us look stupid.
Bushless people - do you mean no bush people - like Dems?

You're sending a very strong message that we should believe what we hear - that's not what we're about because that's not what we've been allowed to do at this point in our lives.

[demdave]

39. Sorry, I have to agree with him

the issue of what his intentions are aside, I agree that the very vaporous veil of a link to a Bush sidekick is easily swept aside with the discussion of the rest of her life. We cannot vilify her and then try to attach that through this tenuous link to the Bush group unless we realize the real danger of the truth coming out. Her 2nd cousin helped turn her in to the authorities. It sounds as if he was the impetus for the entire investigation. I would not want to argue the case that she is a black mark on the Bush team.