Bart Stupak: 'There Will Be Hell To Pay' If My Amendment Is Removed'

[kpete]

Source: Huffington Post

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) is warning fellow Democrats not to mess with his restrictive anti-abortion amendment.

Pro-choice outrage was sparked by the inclusion of a provision in the House health care bill making it harder for private insurers to cover abortion. President Obama himself suggested that the language disrupted the status quo and should be taken out of the final legislation. Abortion rights supporters in Congress requested a meeting with the president next week to discuss the issue.

Now Stupak is saying he won't go easily.

"We won because need us," Stupak said. "If they are going to summarily dismiss us by taking the pen to that language, there will be hell to pay. I don't say it as a threat, but if they double-cross us, there will be 40 people who won't vote with them the next time they need us -- and that could be the final version of this bill."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/bart-stupak-there-will-be_n_355083.html

[derby378]

1. There will be an even BIGGER Hell to pay if the amendment ISN'T removed

Or does Mr. "How forcibly were you raped, because the bean-counters need to know if you should be turned down for coverage" need a little refresher course on why you don't piss away the well-being of women?

[Lars39]

11. In case anyone missed your reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6995035

:puke:

[Kerrytravelers]

2. He may not go easily, but the pro-choice voice will be working for his Dem challenger next election.

I know I'll be sending money to the Dem challenger.

[BeyondGeography]

3. "I don't say it as a threat"...Fuck you

Little wedge issue weasal.

[MidwestTransplant]

6. Yep. You can be sure some person from AHIP whispered the idea of this in his ear.

[KansDem]

4. Hey, Bart!!!

[debbierlus]

5. Fuck you Stupak

[Demeter]

7. So Glad You Are Willing to Foot the Bill, Stupak

Can't think of anyone more suited for hell....

[ehrnst]

8. Fine by me. I have plenty of hell to give you, Stupak. (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Energy & Commerce Oversight Committe Chairmanship change anyone? n/t

[FatDave]

62. I ain't gonna hold my breath.

We won't even take Liebermann's chairmanships away.

[MelissaB]

10. I haven't lived in Michigan long (and in his district)

and am already tired of contacting this fucker.

[msongs]

12. spoken like a true republican nt

[lobodons]

13. How comfortable is he his district?

Please tell me there is someone in his district that can take this fucktart out.

[24601]

38. Yes, a Republican - just like with most of the blue dogs. If it's

imperative to maintain a Democratic majority, the House Speakership, Committee Chairs, and control over the agenda, then working with caucus members across the spectrum is a must. If minority status meets the needs, then getting rid of the blue dogs is just fine as they will be defeated by repugs or will change parties themselves. The

[Vincardog]

45. The Blue Cross dogs and Conservadems do not have to change party they are already REpigs.

What good is the Majority if you can not stand on your platform?

[24601]

58. Let us know if you ever find that magic politician that is perfect,

without exception, on every issue.

[FatDave]

63. Republicans don't seem to have any problem getting their shit together.

Ever notice that? This shit is the price we pay for being individualistic.

Edit for an erroneous cut and paste

[24601]

65. You're in a dream world - remember the gang of 14? You also

might not be recalling that Gingrich resigned as speaker because a number in the Republican caucus would not vote for him. You also might not be recalling the override of Bush's S-Chip veto which would not have happened without Republican votes against Bush's veto.

[FatDave]

66. I stand corrected.

Next time try not to be such a dick about it, mmmkay?

[24601]

67. I don't intend it to be an idiot lesson - and no insult was meant so I.

apologize for my tone.

As for content specifically on this thread, I don't believe that it's helpful to build up the repugs as some superman that has it all together. They have their own problems with members having differing views on major issues. Take probably the biggest "red meat" issue, abortion. Bush didn't even have a cabinet that was all pro-life.

And if I wuz a stratagerist being paid to help them on kill the health bill - my advice would be that all they had to do was vote against Stupak's amendment. Without the repugs, the amendment then fails. Then, without the Stupak amendment, the repugs and all the blue dogs have a majority and vote against the whole bill. It would have been defeated on the floor last Saturday.

Like I said, if I wuz...but I ain't. I do argue a lot of devil's advocate positions here - because I judge it's important to look at multiple sides of issues realistically. If DU is just all cheerleaders, the result is group-think.

[phantom power]

14. I'm gonna post What Digby Said:

All day long, I kept hearing the argument that pro-choice Democrats are going to have to compromise because Pelosi just doesn't have the votes otherwise. But the truth is that she doesn't have the votes without the pro-choice caucus either. Why isn't it just as reasonable to say that Stupak and his crowd should compromise? I hear people say over and over again that Democrats will prove they can't govern if they hold the line on this or that provision and risk tanking the bill. But these Stupak Democrats did it --- and they won.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/goldilocks-was-betrayed-by-digby-all.html

It's very telling that with all this talk about how pro-choice women can't be stubborn about their little needs, there is nobody out there complaining that Stupak and his crowd are making the perfect the enemy of the good. He and the other "pro-life" Democrats are commonly and without criticism portrayed as voting for their principles, as if they have no choice in the matter. (Indeed, the whole argument over funding is defined by the fact that "pro-life" advocates apparently cannot be forced to pay taxes for something that goes against their principles.

Apparently some principles are just more important than others.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/principles-by-digby-yesterday.html

[tonysam]

28. As usual "Digby" doesn't know what she is talking about

There are tens of millions of Catholics in the United States--many of them Latino, a big bloc of the Democratic Party vote--and the party as a whole isn't going to take a chance and give Republicans an issue to run on next year, since they have nothing else.

A handful of "feminist" bloggers, NOW, and Planned Parenthood are no match to pissing off the Catholic Church and many conservative Democrats. Besides, restrictions on federal funding of abortions is legal.

[phantom power]

29. Oh, god forbid a few dirty fucking hippies offend the Catholics.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

33. And a good number of those Catholics are --

pro-choice, you do know that? American Catholics and the hierarchy often don't see eye-to-eye on matters such a abortion, contraceptives, and homosexuality.

And those Catholics are members of NOW, Naral, and Planned Parenthood.

The RCC can go fuck itself.

Signed,
An ex-Catholic

[Demit]

34. Catholics are not monolithic on this issue. But your casual dismissal of Digby

is a better demonstration that YOU don't know what you're talking about.

[defendandprotect]

73. Catholics use birth control . . Catholic women have abortions . . . !!!

Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women!!

[Spazito]

35. Bullshit, most Catholics ignore the tenets of the church, take birth control, etc....

and ARE pro-privacy. It is only the fundie Opus Dei followers who want to go back to the sixteenth century. Oh, and btw, it isn't the restriction on federal funding that is the bigger issue, it is the attempted restriction on PRIVATE INSURERS who participate in the exchange. The Stupak amendment was a pathetic and atrocious attempt to scuttle the bill entirely and it did NOT work.

[Techn0Girl]

36. Tens of millions of Catholics....

And 150 million women in the U.S. ... and you know what? A whole heck of a lot of U.S. catholics practice birth control.
35 million catholic women vs. 115 million non-catholic women.

The right to choose can not be thrown under the bus. They'll lose my vote next election if they do.

It's not just "feminist bloggers" as you imply - it's women.

[sudopod]

37. It's the restriction on private insurance funding of abortions that rankles. nt

[dflprincess]

42. Except for the wing nut Catholics, who are "more Catholic than the pope"

and who wouldn't vote for a Democrat even if Jesus made appearance and endorsed that Democrat, most rank and file Catholics do not base their votes on abortion. (There is even a Catholics for Choice group).

I'd worry more about offending lapsed Catholics who won't have a whole lot respect for legislators who take their orders from the bishops.


BTW, prochoice women make up a large part of the Democrats' base. They might want to worry about offending us as well.

[defendandprotect]

74. Yeah . ..but that's George Liddy, the murderer and Pat Buchanan the racist . . .etal --

Including the "Pro-life" murderers . . . of course -- Terry Randall heads that team, it seems!!

[niyad]

43. why is the word feminist in quotations marks?

[villager]

48. "A handful of 'feminist' bloggers" -- dismissive of women much?

n/t

[noiretextatique]

56. This is the Democratic Party's 2008 Platform

Choice

"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right."
"The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions."
"The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs."

This is the party platform...whomever doesn't like it can vote republican. I assure you, even the Catholic Church is no match for pissing off 50%+ of the population.

[fascisthunter]

59. nice anti-progressive drivel

[defendandprotect]

72. And we shouldn't be worried about the Catholic Church having this political power . . .???

I'd say one of our first efforts should be to make sure we end tax-exemption status

for the Catholic Church -- and/or make sure it stays miles away from any political activity . . .

like anti-ERA campaigns, anti-homosexual campaigns .... whether California or Maine!!

There may be "tens of millions of Catholics in the US" but they're not all stupid nor are

they all willing to give up their brains to a Pope! Most Catholics practice birth control --

and just as many Catholic women as other women have ABORTIONS!!!

And so will their daughters!!!

[RainDog]

81. tonysam- I want to get to choose what sort of healthcare you get

because I vote and have contributed to candidates.

If you get prostate cancer, I don't want you to receive treatment because it involves your male privates and my god has told me that men with prostate problems kill the unborn if they have chemo.

it's my right, according to you, to get to dictate health care choices for other Americans based upon non-factual and hateful ideology.

don't like it? too bad. if you die because of my religious beliefs, it's just politics.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

87. Why did the image of Nikita Kruschev banging his shoe and shouting "WE WILL BURY YOU" pop in my head

as I read your post?

Admit it, buddy -- you and your pals are in the wrong side of history. The earliest you accept the fact, the better.

[Mithreal]

61. Cheer and Kick for Hullabaloo

[Odin2005]

70. Hey Digshit, many of use guys are pissed off, too. "Little Needs" my ASS!!!

[glinda]

15. Stupak "summarily dismisses" everyone else. He may well be going to hell his self.

[reprobate]

94. He's not going to hell, just to the ranks of FORMER politicians.

[quiet.american]

16. Does Stupak have a leg to stand on with this arrogance?

Because I have a feeling a well-deserved political butt-kicking is on its way to him.

[nradisic]

17. Hey Bart...Fuck YOU!

What a disgusting excuse for a human being....

[seafan]

18. Only a drop in hell's bucket compared with that abomination staying in, Mr. Stupak.

Bart Stupak: 'There Will Be Hell To Pay' If My Amendment Is Removed, November 12, 2009






And when more people find out about your membership in the extremist group, "The Family/The Fellowship", with your residence in The House on C-Street, that is a secretive front organization for an agenda pushed by Christian fanaticism for the destruction of civil rights, labor unions and to prop up murderous dictators in the name of Christian supremacy, you won't have enough to pay when Hell comes calling.




Behind The Green Door

By Rob Boston
September, 2009

.....

Critics have also accused the Fellowship of seeking to influence American foreign policy by cozying up to notorious dictators. Over the years, the Fellowship has reached out to Gen. Suharto of Indonesia, Siad Barre of Somalia, Jonas Savimbi of Angola, Artur da Costa e Silva of Brazil, Papa Doc Duvalier of Haiti and other authoritarian leaders.

.....

The insular nature of the group and its love of secrecy have led critics to question The Family’s method of operation.

“When you operate in secret in Washington you raise an immediate red flag and then it gets redder when it gets mixed with any ideological agenda,” Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told Politico recently.

Sharlet agrees. If Bible studies and prayer meetings were the only activities under way, there would be little cause for concern, he said. But there is much more going on at C Street.

“Here’s an organization that has organized powerful men into coalitions to oppose organized labor and support a foreign policy of allegiances with killers, often at the cost of American principles and American interests,” Sharlet said. “They’re entitled to argue for these views, of course, but they ought to do so like other right-wing groups – in the public square.

“It’s a transparency issue,” he continued. “It’s an accountability issue. If politicians want to accept gifts from The Family and subscribe to their version of Christianity, fine. If you think Coe’s reading of the New Testament as a book about power is correct, fine. If you like his sermons on the leadership lessons of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, fine. But put that out there.”

Concluded Sharlet, “Doug Coe has said, ‘The more invisible you can make your organization, the more influence it will have.’ That’s true. That’s why we have laws requiring groups that seek to influence politics, especially with financial support for politicians, to register as lobbies.”

So don't denigrate women, Mr. Stupak.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

19. Idle threats

Fuck you Bart Stupak and your sexist bullshit.

[imdjh]

20. Some guy we never heard of before last Saturday is threatening hell to pay.

[liberal N proud]

21. Who the fuck is Bart Stupak that he can throw his weight around like this?

The Democrats in the House should squash him like a bug.

Show him a litte hell.

[defendandprotect]

75. Michigan . . . a C-Street/The Family kinda guy . . .

Perhaps "god" told him to do this???

Evidently, Michigan voters don't have abortions -- !!!!



:evilgrin:

[Bitwit1234]

22. Who elected him?

The people of this country who said do what I want in congress, or health insurance and religious leaders who are telling him what to do?

And I for one am suspect of that "townhouse" of all men with female college students who clean, and all those sex scandals coming from there of men you are "boarders" or former "boarders".

[24601]

41. How about his specific constituents? Doesn't he have the

responsibility to represent their interests that trumps party leaders who were not elected by his district? What you are suggesting is the British system where people never think of voting for the person. Following this model, you never get bipartisan votes unless party leaders agree to it. I'm perfectly comfortable with a system whereby congress critters are people who exercise personal judgment and faithfully represent their constituents, even if that means that they don't always agree with me and especially because we don't end up with a rubber-stamp congress, willing to go along with whatever the party leader says.

For example, how did you feel when enough republicans bolted and voted to override the Bush S-Chip veto? Under the party-first, district be damned model, that never would have happened.

[defendandprotect]

76. Stupak represents "god" evidently . . . C Street/The Family . . .

[asjr]

23. I can't stand it when stupid congress persons

get in my face and threaten me. Stupak will get nowhere trying to play God.

[Jefferson23]

24. So far the entire bill is a huge disappointment.

[Brickbat]

25. No, Stupak, "hell to pay" is when you have to have units in the south range repaired by midday.

In the meantime, you can STFU.

[Le Taz Hot]

26. Not anywhere NEAR the hell to pay

if it stays in.

[chill_wind]

27. He's charred toast. Too bad he's the very last one to seem to know it.

eom

[chill_wind]

68. Amending comment to "self-inflicted political toast."

(edit function expired). For the benefit of any literalists or raised eyebrows. I keep forgetting what a crazy place the internet is.

[lsewpershad]

30. Go screw

yourself. Ther will be hell for you and the rest if this is not removed.

[JNelson6563]

31. This guy is getting more annoying by the day.

I use to think Stupak was ok, now everytime he says something I dislike him more intensely.

Julie

[defendandprotect]

77. Are you in Michigan?

[JNelson6563]

80. Yes, but not in his district.....yet.

I expect my county will be back in his district after the re-districting. I used to think he was an okay guy but my views have changed.

Julie

[defendandprotect]

86. Church is buying influence in government just as readily as corporations are doing it !!!

Vatican, Inc. --

[Blue State Blues]

32. 166 Americans die each day because they don't have health insurance

Stupak is saying that it is more important to him and his block of 40 "democrats" to exert control over women than to pass reform that might do something to save the lives of 166 American every day.

It is more important to them to deny women's rights and to threaten women's health than to save American lives.

Of course, if they get their way, if the amendment stands, women will die.

He's right about one thing, there will be hell to pay.

[defendandprotect]

78. ...and 100,000 every year in our hospitals due to MALPRACTICE--!!!

[StreetKnowledge]

39. Go Fuck Yourself, Bart.

Your dumbass amendment will see women dying from botched abortions, just like in the bad old days. But I'm guess that you, like the rest of the assholes who wrote and voted for that fucking amendment, don't care about women's health.

They should summarily dismiss you - because a bunch of your people didn't vote for it anyways! Bart, this amendment will make the liberal Dems not vote for it - and there is more of them than you. So you can go fuck yourself.

[benld74]

40. The only individual having to pay hell Stupak is when the bill passes WITHOUT

you admendment AND YOU have to FACE your C street Family to tell them why!

[GreenTea]

44. Seems to me it was an insurance industry ploy to try to derail the bill at the last moment....

Insurance corporations getting the paid-off blue dogs and knowing the anti-choice members would go along with sabotaging the bills passage and the bill would be seriously in doubt with their bullshit abortion agenda they put in the bill at the last moment figuring it would stop passage....it didn't - Thanks to Speaker Pelosi!

The insurance corporations know the progressive Dems in congress will not let that abortion crap stay in the bill, and it's just another way the insurance industry are using their all out tactics to kill the bill....

The insurance corporations are pitting liberals against the anti-choice clowns, both with enough members to stop passage of a final bill in the house....

The insurance corporations are doing everything to stop a bill from going through as are republicans....from pay-off to congressional & senate Dems to pitting liberals & blue dogs against each other, to using republicans to weaken the bill as much as possible & disrupting & lie while in secession, to tea-bagger protest, to bullshit town hall meeting (50 more are planned) to lobbyist working the politicians 24/7 to huge lying advertising campaign and Fox news pounding away to distort & lie about health care and the public option.

The insurance industry is going to do every lying deceitful thing possible to defeat ANY health care bill, as will the republicans!

[librechik]

46. Take that up with your invisible He Man God, Stupak--American Women need

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

[nightrain]

47. start over with health CARE reform!

[MilesColtrane]

49. We'll take it out, and you'll like it, Mr. Stupak.

Then the ball's in your court, asshole.

Go ahead and vote against it, and see what happens to your political career.

[Sinti]

50. The leadership really needs to get out in center on this and call their bluff

If these people actually want fewer abortions then they would support full access to contraception, and full access to quality health care. Banning all abortions does not make abortions stop happening, it just makes them illegal and very dangerous. Many, if not all, of these reviled late term abortions could have been prevented by having adequate pre-natal health care that started well before the woman got pregnant.

Instead, these people seem to want to restrict access to all forms of contraception, and health care for people in general. Do they want to stop abortions, or do they want to increase the birthrate as much as possible? That will be the outcome of their long-term plan, unless they offer tubal ligation to anyone who wants it for free. What do they really want?

[depakid]

51. So who's going to primary the fundie?

[frylock]

52. i think he meant hell toupee..

[Mithreal]

53. Call his offices, phone lines are open for a little longer

[phone]

But don't tell his staff that you hope he gets sick and dies or mention that he is a member of a cult. They told me I was being reported for threatening. Lost whatever cool I had.

[Alcibiades]

54. How many votes does he bring to the table?

Does his amendment get one vote for this bill? Or is it simply a killer amendment designed to split the caucus?

If he can demonstrate that this actually helps, then fine. But I doubt any of the Republicans who voted for his amendment will vote yes on final passage.

[Mithreal]

55. Several different accounts, over 30 Dems claim threaten NO vote for HCR

The lone Republican vote came with a call from the President and the Stupak Amendment, going on memory though.

[pundaint]

57. Hell isn't even recognized by my religion buddy, YOU got VOTERS to pay!

[D23MIURG23]

60. Go fuck yourself Bart, you self righteous Nazi.

You can take your catholic church and shove it up your ass sideways.

[mcablue]

64. Sounds like a threat to me

In the article Stupak says that this is not a threat. But I don't see it as anything but one.

[Odin2005]

69. Hey, Bart, you need your ass kicked!

:grr:

[defendandprotect]

71. Let's put that to the test . . . !!!! This creep should be denied any $$$$$$$$$ . . .

and this jerk talks about "double cross" . . .

Didn't he like about voting for a health care bill if he got his amendment . . .

and then many of them didn't vote for it?

[gtar100]

79. Stupak is no democrat. What an ass.

[BolivarianHero]

82. I think it's time to find whatever damaging information about Mr. Stupak that we can...

It's a debt owed to all women.

[mstinamotorcity]

83. Well Bart

You have had so many wonderful revues. I have just been reading a few. Just about everyone has said what i thought about you on every level. But heres a thought for you, if your ass is so against having abortions, then punk just don't your ass have one.:) :) :)

[mvd]

84. Really too bad that..

his anti-choice language is more important then getting health care reform. As the President said, this is not an abortion bill.

[aquart]

85. Murderous misogynistic piece of shit.

I hope his dick falls into the toilet and gets flushed.

[and-justice-for-all]

88. Fuck you Stupak, you prick!

I will kindly wipe my ass with his amendment.

[beyond cynical]

89. I must say, he is causing quite a stir.

[tiredtoo]

90. I believe Stupak is a Catholic

and Catholic Bishops had influence on this amendment. I would suggest to any Catholics on this board that when the basket is passed next Sunday do not put your regular donation in. Put a note stating you will be donating to planned parenthood or some other charity this week in defiance of the church's involving itself in government affairs. If you hit the church in their purse they will comply with you wishes.

[RainDog]

91. a note in the collection basket and cash to liberal orgs. great idea n/t

[Sultana]

92. What's wrong with this SOB?

I say purge the motherfucker out of OUR party

[truebrit71]

93. FUCK YOU STUPID...AND YOUR FUCKING AMENDMENT....

...sanctimonious prick...:grr: