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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:50 PM Original message |
NEWS: REP. WEINER WITHDRAWS SINGLE PAYER AMENDMENT FROM CURRENT HEALTH CARE DEBATE |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. See, we can't even talk about it. nt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. No shit. Talk about being shut out |
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sasquuatch55 (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. Hope the negative evils didn't get to you. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. smart of him. would have been a pointless rejection of Single Payer |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Also prevents identification of those who would vote against it. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. identification is exactly the point - this is Rahm's way to protect the guilty |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Rahm Emmanuel won't be there after 2012 |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. This wasn't HR676. It was a re-worked bill. There has been no hearings, no mark up, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. If success for Kucinich's bill is the pay-off, then Weiner did the right thing. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I'm convinced we will get single payer in a state or states before we get it through Congress. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. Without the Kucinich amendment I don't think the bill is worth passing |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. We are going to have to go pass a statewide bill and then we will have to litigate for |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. Is it OK if those of us who consider it a loss to say that? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I don't understand your question. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I don't appreciate your denigrating and dismissing statement about "suffering a symbolic loss". |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I'm not allowed to have an opinion that you might not like? And express it to someone else? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You can have all the opinions you want. But refusing to allow others that same |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I think that instead of suffering a symbolic loss we were smart to live to fight another day, so to |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. We live to fight another day |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I tend to agree. What is on the table now is insurance reform, NOT.. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'm 47 and I think we will |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. But not before many more die and go bankrupt. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That is true |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. Most developed countries (and some not so developed) have |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Yes we are. (see teabaggers for definition of backward) |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Until we let the South get their equivalent of 72 virgins (secession) we will |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
79. You bring up very good points. We are getting this very shitty |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. And what happens when they don't? Seriously. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Then we keep working |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Thanks for the encouragement. :) |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Yep, we need insurance so if things go bad that states can pass single payer. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. They will be able to charge more money for pre-existing. |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. ... at least a step in the right direction. Next time, just drop the Medicare |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Well the only problem with "next time" is it will be at least 10 yrs.......... |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
48. I'm 57 and think I will get Medicare long before any of you youngsters get any sort |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. Where does it say they must PAY ALL CLAIMS? My read is that everyone will be able |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
80. And the Federal government is subsidizing its share of cost to the |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
72. The question is, who enforces that? |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. This is our last chance and now we will never see real healthcare reform |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. If you think you should give up |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. No I wont give up but when in our history is it possible for us to have |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. We need the Kucinich amendment put into the bill so states can pass their own single payer |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Either Obama failed us or he doublecrossed us. Your guess is as good as mine. |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Some people will live. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Indeed. CHANGE IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDEN! If the shoe fits, Barak. . . |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
66. A lot of people WON'T live because of lack of true reform |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. How sad. Good thing we have the White House and majorities in Congress. |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. Complete with "Hands off my Healthcare" propaganda ad. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. WHAT??? That's very disappointing. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. You mean like Guido? Rahm would never do that, would he, slime that he is? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. Let's see if they lean on Kosmas as hard, or if their leaning is reserved solely |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. This whole thing just makes me sick. Glad I have health insurance. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. I am so ashamed to be a Democrat today.This was craven. |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. Good God. Weiner's amendment was all that was left. I can't get excited by any of this now. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. well, that was a great "Dog-and-Pony" show |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good. It would have hurt the single-payer cause more than it would have helped. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. Public Option now, Single Payer later. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. There is NO public option. 2% of the population eligible for a plan that cost MORE then private |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. The only thing more shameful is the celebration that will follow the vote on |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. It is interesting that the majority here stated they would not support it w/o a real public option |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. you're wrong and you will be proven thus. I doubt you'll ever admit it though. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. There is no "down the road". To believe that is to put your trust in the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
82. This public option will set back any kind of real reform for years and year. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. The Democrats have sold us out on true health care reform! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. I am so sorry to hear this. Weiner has let us down. Weiner has let |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Let's examine the pros and the cons, OK? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. We would have the CBO estimates on the cost. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Did the CBO score it? According to the Conyers/Kucinich letter it was scored and it came in bad for |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I haven't seen that letter. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Here it is. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Thanks. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
83. Please see Reply 11. Even if you are a co-sponsor of a bill, you may not be in favor of it. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. I would like to know the whole story as well, I've been skeptical... |
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makeanoise (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
53. and big corporate health care smiles.... |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. Shocking, and yet so predictable. |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. agree. damm!! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
55. So, Weiner was taken out to the woodshed, and given a talking to. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Don't you wish you were a fly on the wall... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I've often wished we had the inside info. It really has to be a dirty business. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
84. Thanks Bobbie... |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. *facepalm* |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm curious as to why Weiner did not push more for his SP amendment... |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
81. I wonder who got to him ...... |
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