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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:17 PM
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Sen. McCain Open to Being Kerry's VP
Republican Sen. John McCain allowed a glimmer of hope Wednesday for Democrats fantasizing about a bipartisan dream team to defeat President Bush.

McCain said he would consider the unorthodox step of running for vice president on the Democratic ticket — in the unlikely event he received such an offer from the presidential candidate.

"John Kerry is a close friend of mine. We have been friends for years," McCain said Wednesday when pressed to squelch speculation about a Kerry-McCain ticket. "Obviously I would entertain it."

(more...)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain_1
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:18 PM
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1. No way...
Useless to speculate this. Our Base would stay away from the polls.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM
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7. I don't think so
Democrats are so furious, I don't think there's much that could keep them away from the polls.

In my tiny town, on precinct caucus night, there were 900 at the Democratic caucus, and 80 at the Repuke.

Of course, the Democratic caucus was held in the old, crumbling middle school that's being replaced next year, while the Repukes got the brand new, high tech high school. Coincidence? I think not.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:25 PM
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43. Why would we need a slacker when we can have the top of the Class
John Edward's worked his way through North Carolina state graduating in 3 years..
McCain was given an appointment to West Point and graduated next to last in his graduating class, bragging he would like to have been last
We have one lazy President who played around in College,couldn't get into law School

Tell me why would we want another slacker

Democrat prospects are much better than McCain the list goes on Dean a Doctor Gep. a lawyer and Congressman...

Frankly I don't know who started the McCain junk, in my opinion it is being done to make McCain look more important when he endorses George Hoover Bush.
Clark a West Point Grad at the top of the Class
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:58 PM
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87. This is the best possible ticket to end the RW stranglehold
I understand a lot of us don't like every position McCain takes, but let's look at the bigger picture.

We now the extraordinary damage these right-wing wackos have done on every front in this country. They not only need to be defeated, they need to be eviscerated. They were soundly beaten in two presidential election in the nineties, and look at how much power they still wielded.

Everyone talks about how the power of the RW comes from the Evangelicals, Clinton-haters, and warmongers. But in actuality, the power of the RW comes from the 10 or 15 million moderate republicans and independents, that don't feel strongly one way or another, so they lean conservative. These people love McCain much more than Bush...and I don't think they are adverse to Kerry either.

The RW freaks totally take advantage of this population, because as we all now, there is nothing 'moderate' about anything Bush has done.

If McCain joins the ticket, we are looking at an epic landslide...and that is precisely what we need to send these Tom Delay vermin back under their rocks for 30 years. A 51% victory is simply not going to cut it.

NEWSMEAT
Federal Campaign Contributor Search, Weather, Headlines
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kclown Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:20 PM
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2. No-brainer
Bush can give up the minute this deal goes down.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:22 PM
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3. The good news . . .
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 01:49 PM by djg21
is that he has, in essence, given his friend Kerry an endorsement, and thus, he can no longer be trotted out to campaign for Shrub.
It doesn't matter whether he get's the VP nod or not (and it's not likely to happen). He is simply no longer an asset to the Shrub campaign either way.

Additionally, it signals that he may be willing to switch parties at some time in the future.

Rove must be pissed!

On edit, given that Drudge has picked up this story, it can only be a matter of seconds before the Freepers and others on the right start calling McCain a "traitor." How long will it be before he is ostracized by his Repub colleagues in the Senate? This has got to lead to a party switch, and if McCain goes, how long will it be before others like Chaffe and Snow go too?
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:26 PM
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8. All I can say is...
The floodgates of Hoover Dam have just been opened...and (for Dub, at least)there goes Arizona, washing downstream! :D

"Chip" Rove's hopes of "raising Arizona" this year just plumeted! That's pretty bad, when you in effect lose a state's honorary campaign vice-chairman to your opponent!:eyes:

:kick:

B-)

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:39 PM
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22. Exactly! This is a de-facto endorsement!!
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 01:39 PM by alg0912
McCain is the first major Republican to peel from the fold and endorse someone other than Bush!

That's a very good sign!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:34 PM
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58. So does that mean he's stopped campaigning
for Bu$h?

I think McCain still has POW syndrome. He will kiss whose-ever ass he needs to kiss in order to survive. It seems he is loyal to no one but himself and that's not the kind of person Kerry needs for a running mate, especially when there are so many other choices that are much better than McCain.




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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:48 PM
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30. It didn't take very long at all! (Freepers on McCain)
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 01:52 PM by djg21
"Traitor" "Puke" "Ass," "Manchurian Candidate" (that's my favorite), "Jerk," etc.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1094813/posts
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:55 PM
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33. Such Venom Over There
What a shock.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:00 PM
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35. To be fair, though
those words aptly describe Zell Miller, as well!!
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. True Enough
Maybe we can work out a trade.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:14 PM
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41. The "Manchurian candidate" thing comes from some whacko claims
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:14 PM by underpants
Ted Sampley (of veterans against Kerry) started some of this. See it seems that McCain helped an interviewer who happened to be from Cuba translate some of his answers once, McCain had attended Spain's Naval College and spoke some of the language.....AND......notes found in a former soviet spies memoirs or debriefing had something about a senior Naval officer who was working for the Chinese or Russians....that is where that comes from.

:eyes:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:39 PM
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62. Very interesting
Thanks for the education. That explains the comments....
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:02 PM
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72. jeez
What's really nauseating about the Freakers board (aside from the poor spelling and grammar) is the homophobia on that thread. I don't go over there and browse, is that a feature of every FR thread? It seems a bit out of place, considering the subject.

The taunts about cancer were also repulsive. Surely ONE member there has lost someone to cancer, and would call the poster on it. Nope. They're just *that* consumed with hatred.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:42 PM
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77. those freepers sure have "weird" sigs
" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire"

"AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?"
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 11:43 AM
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97. This is good! Then Kerry will shelve this foolish idea.
It's bad enough that Kerry has been chosen for us by corporate media, we would also have to endure someone who worships and works for the GOP? He ALWAYS sides with Bush? What are these fools thinking?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM
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4. Very Interesting
I am starting to believe there are some on the other side of the aisle that are very upset at this administration. He'll never become VP, but I like the supposed statement from McCain. This ought of have a ripple-effect in the media if it's true.
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM
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5. It would be interesting

I would seriously entertain that ticket. I still believe Mc Cain is smarting after the Chimp dynasty steamrolled him.

I respect Mcain

DDQ<
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM
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wow... I wonder what Rove's blood pressure is right now...
this is enough to get him to break into his boss's medicine cabinet.

Okay, I don't think this will go through but for McCain to make this statement... wow...

As if conservative Repugs didn't hate him enough already.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM
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6. That would turn me off
I don't want a Republican on the Democratic ticket.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:28 PM
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12. Fear not...
That won't happen....but it's the EFFECT of his words that counts!:D

B-)
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:26 PM
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9. Either Way
Rate the story high... let everyone know what McCain thinks of Shrub.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:27 PM
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10. So bizarre. Chomsky says 'a single business party divided into 2 factions'
Isn't McCain out campaigning for Bush??
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:30 PM
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14. He was in New Hampshire . . .
But, his enthusiasm for Bush seemed lackluster, and he appeard to only be going through the motions. (JMHO)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:27 PM
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11. Is this unprecedented?
Wouldn't McCain have to switch parties and become a Democrat?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:34 PM
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45. No
Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, choose Andrew Johnson, a Democrat to be his running mate. I think McCain would make a great Vice President. Our nation has become so polarized. We need a national unity slate to get us so we can at least talk to each other again.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:37 PM
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59. Actually, no...
He could be nominated whatever party he belonged to.

I still doubt this scenario pretty seriously, though.

B-)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:29 PM
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13. Hilarious!!!!
Geez,...some poster suggested this and my response was "why not". Of course, our country has been moved so far right and is so dangerously close to corporatism that I would be very unhappy about that kind of ticket.

BUTTTTT,...you gotta just love the thought of neocons wiggin' out about this publicized proposition!!! Hee hee hee haw HAW HAW HAW!!!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:31 PM
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15. And what would Nader's bounce be?
And what would Democrats say to his charge that there's little to distinguish the two major parties?

I understand the Democratic Party is a "big tent," but this would blow up in Kerry's face.

Show some pride, and choose a Democrat.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:36 PM
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18. I agree.
Any gains had by Kerry from the center would be offset by alienated members of the left, who could throw support behind Nader.

McCain tends to be very conservative about a lot of things.

Moreover, given the recent controversy about McCain-Feingold and the 527 orgs like MoveOn, you have to wonder if something else is going on here?

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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:44 PM
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27. Right, but if that's true...
Do the math. Say Nader's at 5 percent now (I'm being generous if the most recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll is correct), Kerry's at 49 and the Shrub is at 46.

If a Kerry-McCain ticket rips 10 points away from Bush, but 10 of Kerry's points migrate to Nader (as you seem to suggest), then the breakdown is Kerry 49, Bush 36, Nader 15. Kerry wins even more handily in that scenario.

Obviously, the question is then "At what cost?"
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
54. i likes them numbers!
kerry wins, nader wins - everybody's happy. we all go out for milk and cookies.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:26 PM
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55. i don't care for mccain's views
but i respect him. (isn't it time we made the mccain-zell teade official)

as much as i'm bothered by mccain's positions and would vote nader - i have to admit, it would be a genius move and kerry would, as a result, win in landslide

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:32 PM
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16. Ahem...
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 01:34 PM by FoeOfBush
NO EFFIN'WAY! We don't need no stinkin repukes!

EDIT: Let him be the token repuke admin member like shrubby did with Norm Mineta, AT THE MOST!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:36 PM
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20. Secy. of Veterans' Affairs, perhaps? nt
.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. That is acceptable hatrack, have your Admin Asst write it up and
send it over. It'll be signed and returned by noon the next day.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:04 PM
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38. Amen!
It would be terribly difficult to hold my nose while I vote.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:30 PM
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44. Ahem, you got that right, would have used another choic of words
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:50 PM
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63. That's a MUCH more likely scenario...
And either Defense or V.A. (though the latter's probably Max Cleland's to turn down) would be enough to shake up the Repubs at their very foundations---imagine if Kerry does name several prominent Cabinet designees in succession (a "Shadow Cabinet" of sorts) and he brings out...John McCain! :wow:

Just think of how the Dub White House and the RNC would HOWL in protest...while trying their best to wipe several layers of egg off of their faces at the same time!:7

Talk about a DEVASTATING BLOW to Dub's campaign...not to mention whatever credibility he had left with anybody!

B-)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:18 AM
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90. Besides - fast forward to the early months of a Kerry Presidency
with McCain as VP.

Repukes still control congress - only more so. Check

Repukes initiate impeachment proceedings. Check

Repukes succeed this time in booting out another elected leader, ala Haiti, Venezuala, etc. Check.

McCain is a puke. Check.

Repukes regain control. Checkmate.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:33 PM
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17. Do democrats believe in anything at all anymore?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:36 PM
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19. If McCain accepts
Bush will only win Texas. Write it down.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:37 PM
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21. I like McCain, but...
..he's a Republican. If he changes his party affiliation (and I keep hoping he will), he will still be recent Republican. No thanks.
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:18 PM
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53. oh whatever
Kerry didn't even offer it to him...and you like Zell Miller over john McCain. Get real!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:28 PM
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74. He's not just a Republican - he's a neoconservative.
NT!

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:44 PM
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78. Would McCain as VP neutralize the BS "Kerry is a liberal" myth?
Here's a thought: Would McCain as VP neutralize the BS "Kerry is a liberal" myth? Also, would it attract Republicans who are pissed at Shrub?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:58 PM
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81. Who cares? McCain is a neocon, and he can go to hell for all I care!
It is extraordinarily dangerous to toy with the idea of a neoconservative hawk like McCain hooking up with a (at best) "strong believer in strong defense" like Kerry.

Would it neutralize the myth and attract Republicans? Quite possibly. Is it worth the risk, to bring a neocon into Kerry's camp (I mean, besides the neocon-loving Will Marshall)? HELL NO!

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:09 PM
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88. Re: Who cares? McCain is a neocon, and he can go to hell for all I care!"
I'm not saying I would agree w/ putting McCain on the ticket; only making some observations. I can't see how or why Kerry would put McCain or any Republican on the ticket except to really piss Bush off.

Is McCain that conservative? I also thought of him as more moderate. Of course, next to Shrub, I guess he would be!?

I'm still for Edwards on the ticket.

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roscoeroscoe Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #78
93. et tu, brute?!
and i like it.
mccain has some very good points. just by saying this publicly he's smacked the bush campaign in the back of the head.
slipped in the knife?
see ya, *!
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michael_j_martin Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #21
95. Get over the labels
It is very easy to demonize the republicans, just as easy as they demonize democrats. It’s even easier if you use the words "conservative" and "liberal". Two nearly meaningless labels that could be replaced with the word "witch" if we were back in Salem.

Sen. McCain is everything this country needs in a leader. His name on Sen. Kerry's ticket would make GW a lame duck president in March. It would also be the first step in getting both sides to stop the name calling and actually work for the good of the country (what a concept).

Sen. McCain accepting a seat on the Kerry ticket would be the single most politically important event since the creation of the GOP in 1854. I would throw a party if Sen. Kerry was smart enough to offer, and Sen. McCain was gracious enough to accept the VP slot.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:39 PM
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23. I'm Torn
I personally believe, Nader or No Nader, that a Kerry-McCain ticket would clean Dubya's clock. I don't think it would even be close.

However, while I respect McCain and believe he's one of the most honorable Republicans in the party (kind of like winning a beauty contest against Quasimodo, I realize)... his opinions on abortion and trade, for example, turn me off.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:53 PM
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48. Avg Rating: 3.84, 290 votes > cast yours today!!!!!
Instigate and inoculate or just infuriate but never to subjugate cause maybe one could find oneself in retro-gate of the alienate

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain_1

P.S. My shop lead man has two arms full of tats, but the I recall best is the of the guy with the paddle stirrin it up, no one really see's a whole lot unless you get them to notice it B-)
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:40 PM
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24. How about just a simple endorsement from McCain?
McCain has always been a right wing nutcase. An endorsement would be quite significant.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:41 PM
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25. Kerry/McCain- "REAL Uniters" It would work.
Not the biggest McCain fan, but he IS popular, and lord knows this country is hungry for REAL political unity.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:43 PM
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26. Rate it a "5"
This is big news! Not because of the possibility Kerry would ask McCain to be on the ticket, but because, by McCain saying he would consider being on the ticket, he is the first major Republican to endorse someone OTHER than Shrub!!!!
:bounce:
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:47 PM
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29. Maybe as Sec'y of Defense, but not VP
Then get a new (D) Senator from Arizona...Schweet.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #29
75. McCain as SoD? Hell no! See post #31.
NT!

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:49 PM
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31. Uh, hello. McCain is a huge hawk...and
was/is very strongly in favor of the war in
Iraq if anyone has forgotten. Frankly, I'm surprised he's
not part of PNAC.

Also, While I admire his campaign finance reform
stand, and him siding with Democrats on more
issues than a majority of those nasty Republicans, he's
anti-gay and very conservative on social issues.

So.............................NO for V.P.!!!!

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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:51 PM
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32. This may just be McCain's psych-out revenge
I think McCain just likes torturing Bush and especially Karl Rove for the crap they pulled during the South Carolina primary. Old Turd Blossom must be having a complete nervous breakdown over the prospect of a Kerry/McCain tag team creaming Beavis and Fat Boy in the first round. Hey, it if would guarantee Bush's KO, ...
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:59 PM
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34. Go dig up Nixon and put his remains on the Dem ticket...


I'll still vote for Kerry.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:03 PM
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37. The comedy of truth being stranger than fiction
Or as twain said in paraphrase, 'the trouble with fiction is it has to be believable' :D
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:10 PM
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39. McCain is indeed a straight-talker and is exactly correct, imho.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:15 PM by w4rma
...
"It's impossible to imagine the Democratic Party seeking a pro-life, free-trading, non-protectionist, deficit hawk," the Arizona senator told ABC's "Good Morning America" during an interview about illegal steroid use. "They'd have to be taking some steroids, I think, in order to let that happen."
...

Although, I think a deficit hawk would be a good thing for our country if the budget is balanced in a way that helps to lessen the gap between the ultra-wealthy and the rest of us.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:13 PM
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40. I heard about this idea months ago
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:15 PM by khephra
And I'm as turned off by the notion now as I was then. Yeah, we'd probably win. But then what? If anything happened to Kerry, we'd be up shit creek. Check out McCain's record before you get too excited.

I'm ABB, but there are some limits. When I said that the first time, I didn't expect to have to vote for one of the hard-core Republican hawks who also shares Lieberman's disgust with popular culture.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:21 PM
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42. I don't want him on the ticket
I don't even want to see Lieberman's face again. But a quasi-endorsement like this rocks.

:bounce:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:34 PM
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46. You got it right
What if something would happen to Kerry, we would be right back in the same boat, thanks but no thanks Mr. McCain

Don't fall for this Bush crap...McCain is trying to make his endorsement more valuable when he endorses Bush..and if we throw this stuff around, the laugh will be on us.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:37 PM
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47. Interesting
I'd vote for that ticket, (I was a McCain Democrat in 2000).

I think Clark would be more likely a choice though. Problem I see with that is that McCain would pretty much have to switch parties to even be considered a VP - and even as marginallized as the NeoCons in the GOP have made him, he's too much of a GOP loyalist.

The interesting thing is that tthis gives Kerry a de-facto endorsement from McCain, and minimizes his usefulness to the GOP in getting Bush elected. Which places him on a tight-rope, because if Kerry loses, what little power McCain has in the senate is going to be stripped away from him.

The more I think about this, I'm wondering if McCain is jockeying for a cabinet position in a Kerry presidency.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:03 PM
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49. McCain is a thug...
"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

-- John McCain

More...

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:08 PM
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50. NO F***ING WAY
MCCAIN IS A BUSH WHORE; PERIOD.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:46 PM
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71. Before the 2000 South Carolina primary,
the Bush campaign placed hundreds of thousands of automated telephone calls to Republicans, in which they accused McCain of

1) fathering a black child;

and

2) being a traitor who helped North Vietnam during the war.

John McCain doesn't like George Bush. He hates George Bush. He's a right-wing Republican, but not a Bush Republican.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:00 PM
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82. Yeah, he hates b*sh so much he fund-raises for him.
I wish I had "enemies" like that!

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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:03 PM
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83. He's a Republican Senator
He pretty-much has to. But McCain does not like Bush and vice-versa.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:07 PM
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85. He has to? Is that a law or something?
McCain gets thrashed, as you noted, during the 2000 campaign - so he would have every reason to hate b*sh, no question.

And yet, he raises money for b*sh's re-selection campaign? Either he doesn't really hate b*sh, or he is a moral coward with no sense of self-respect.

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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:22 AM
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89. Yes there is a law
Its called the law of avoiding a White House-sponsored primary challenge. McCain needs to suck up to the Bushies sometimes, just as he needs to threaten them sometimes. Its all about self-preservation and maximizing what power he has.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:41 AM
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91. YES, BUSH DID ALL THIS TO HIM YET MCCAIN
STILL SUPPORTS THE PREZ. MCCAIN IS A F***ING WHORE.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:10 PM
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51. "Obviously I would entertain it." Payback-South Carolina 2000 primary
I seriously doubt this would ever happen for lots of reasons. But it clearly is not "obvious" that McCain would consider being the Dem VP nominee. So I conclude that this is a shot by McCain right into the smirky face of the shrub. This will expand the rift between the neocons and the true conservatives in the Republican Party and is therefore a good thing.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:39 PM
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61. he'd definitely be a counter to dumbya's spin
that he runs 'clean, positive campaigns' in contrast to those mean old democrats and their negativity.

all kerry and mccain would need to do is bring up the push polling and expose it to a national audience. most americans didn't hear about it during the early 2000 primaries and still don't know about it.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:11 PM
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52. I would like to think that Kerry would not "entertain it."
When all is said and done, McCain is party loyal, and it ain't the Democratic Party!!!!!! I can't believe the idea is even being considered here. :crazy:
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:31 PM
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56. Please...make him a cabinet official
So I can vote a Democrat in his spot!


Arizona will be blue this year!!!
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:36 PM
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67. No way
McCain could tweak Bunnypants by running against him as VP, but he'd be leaving his Republican Senate colleagues a seat short if he took a cabinet job. Hardly a "uniting" gesture.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:34 PM
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57. I could never vote for Kerry if this happens n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:51 PM
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80. Same here. That way lies madness.
My dislike for Kerry is already known, but you should see my dislike of McCain! The guy's a lot like Powell used to be seen - many people on both sides of the aisle think he's a swell guy, but the rot at his core is pervasive.

McCain is a neoconservative. There is NO WAY IN HELL that I would EVER vote for a ticket with a neocon on it.

The following quotes are from an article featured on McCain's official website. If anyone out there still doesn't think McCain is a neocon, well, sorry, you're dead wrong:

McCain has become the champion for the hard-line, neoconservative thinkers who want to move quickly against Iraq, no matter how many countries agree.

In this dangerous environment, the U.S. must be willing to act alone, not only in Iraq but in North Korea, if necessary. While other nations "may risk their own populations, the United States will do whatever it must to guarantee the security of the American people," he wrote in January. "And spare us the usual lectures about American unilateralism."

As a result, McCain argues that we cannot delay an invasion much longer for an international consensus that may never come. McCain also puts much less emphasis than Hagel on the role of economic development, or new efforts to broker an Israeli-Palestinian peace, in discouraging terrorism. And he is much more optimistic that the overthrow of Hussein will encourage a democratic chain reaction through the region.

That last is pure neoconspeak.

Of course, I doubt this ticket would happen. If it did, though, you can count me out. No way.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:38 PM
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60. absolutely NO - NO - NO
but as an 'endorsement' of Kerry - great!!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:57 PM
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64. Maybe this means that McCain thinks Kerry will win.
He's running to get ahead of the parade. It's no secret in D.C. that the old-time conservatives hate W and his idiot-band. W's crew made a mockery of everything the Republicans claim to stand for - fiscal integrity, isolationism, "made in America," small government. Bush has betrayed every one of those ideals, and made the whole country notice how morally bankrupt the Republican Party has become.

Sorry, John McCain. I think we can win this thing by ourselves - we don't need you on the ticket. Now's OUR time to promote some of those liberal ideals that you guys kept us from attaining all these years. The country's had it up to here with Repugs. Our turn now!
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:47 PM
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79. That's what it is.
What most of us consider 'real' republicans, hate Bush. I was afraid they would put McCain on THEIR ticket, which is the only real counter they have to Kerry's war record. Now they can't, without looking stupider than they already do.

Bush&co really aren't republicans so much as opportunistic gangsters...and they are destroying the GOP as we have known it since Reagan. Which I think is a good thing. The GOP will never be able to win on Reagan's platform again...Bush has made a mockery of it.

We may be seeing the beginning of another decades long domination of the Presidency and Congress by the center-left. I sure hope so.

What I would REALLY like to see, is some of the GOP actually endorse Kerry, but until they do, what John McCain just did will surely do!



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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:05 PM
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65. Then why is he stumping for Bush?
:crazy:

He won't be our VP.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:31 PM
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66. I love this!
It ain't gonna happen, but I love it.

Just to see the look on W's face if McCain goes on one of the "VP interviews" with Kerry would be priceless.

Everyone calm down, McCain isn't going be on the ticket. BUT I wouldn't be suprised to see him jump ship and endorse Kerry.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:42 PM
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76. TEE HEE.......
Oh man, that WOULD be priceless!!

To be a fly on the wall...


Val
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:37 PM
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68. Oh man, I bet the freepers are going ballistic on this one!
This have got to be the more galling than having Zell Miller campaign for junior.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:39 PM
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69. No thanks, but why doesn't he run against Bush and split the Repug
vote. That would be a grand and patriotic thing to do!!!!
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:42 PM
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70. Just imagine it though...
John Kerry and John McCain. A Democrat and a Republican teaming up to take down the greatest threat this country has ever known. It's almost poetic.

Yeah, I'd hate voting for McCain, but you know what? I think the evil of Bush and the neocons exceeds anything right now. If it meant putting a real Republican in office instead of these thugs, then so be it.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:03 PM
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84. McCain IS a neocon. See post #80.
NT!

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:18 PM
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73. Oooh, yuck.
He's a die-hard Repig. Bad choice.
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Mr_Lefty Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:52 PM
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86. The McCain Mutiny
I think this is good- you know it will never happen. Sit back and hope it lasts long enough to make W's head spin!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:06 AM
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92. It's not going to happen, but his comments are helpful to Kerry
With independent voters, that is, who like McCain. I like McCain, but wouldn't vote for him because I disagree with his stands on many issues. I did vote for him in the 2000 republican primary, although I had no plans to vote for him in the fall. It was for 2 reasons:
1. To make Gov. Engler look bad, 2. Because I feared that the republican would get elected and figured McCain would be a better president than Bush.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:53 AM
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94. McCain already retracted this: says no to being a VP or Dem
McCain will never switch parties - - and no matter how much he may like Kerry personally, he's going to work for the Smirk campaign 24/7. Just like he did in 2000.


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/8154503.htm

McCain expresses, then denies interest in spot ticket

By JAMES KUHNHENN

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - On Wednesday morning, Republican Sen. John McCain floated a provocative hint that he would "entertain" the idea of joining Sen. John Kerry on the Democratic ticket this fall.

By evening, McCain, an Arizona maverick, had doused the idea.

"I will not be a candidate for vice president in 2004," he said in a brief interview with two reporters. "I don't want to leave the Republican Party, for openers," McCain said. "But I don't want to be vice president of the United States, either."

More...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 11:41 AM
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96. Pure tragedy. McCain is a whore for the GOP.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:08 PM
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98.  McCain for Dem VP? Ferk that idea.
As if the Dems don't have plenty of good people to fill the job. If Kerry even entertained that idea he'd be losing a lot of votes, including mine.
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