Phillie femme offered sex for tix: cops

[Renew Deal]

Source: NY Post

This Philly is more cracked than the Liberty Bell.

A rabid Philadelphia fan -- apparently believing the "P" on the team's cap stands for "prostitution" -- was busted yesterday for offering sex in exchange for World Series tickets, police said. Susan Finkelstein, 43, was nabbed after allegedly soliciting an undercover Bensalem, Pa., cop who answered her innuendo-laced craigslist ad seeking the coveted ducats.

The married Finkelstein posted her ad -- with a subject line that read, "DESPERATE BLONDE NEEDS WS TIX (Philadelphia)" -- on Monday in the "tickets for sale/wanted" section.
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Then came the zinger: "Price negotiable -- I'm the creative type! Maybe we can help each other!"

The officer said he had one ticket, but when Finkelstein said she needed two, the cop said his brother might have an extra, Bucks County Public Safety Director Fred Harran told The Post.

"She offered to take care of both men," Harran said.

Asked what specific activities Finkelstein offered, Harran said, "Let's just say she wanted to go around the bases the other way."
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[derby378]

1. She! Could! Go! ALL! THE! WAY!

Yes, I'm bad. I couldn't resist.

[Craftsman]

2. I guess getting to first base is easy with her

[tk2kewl]

3. seems like a waste of police and court resources to me

n/t

[WriteDown]

6. Not necessarily....

These type of contracts would be fraught with peril. What if a baby was the result? Would she be able to sue for child support or would that be an inherent risk of the transaction? What about an STD? Very tricky.

[Rebubula]

7. So what?

That is a risk of all sexual encounters.

2 consenting adults and all that jazz....

[WriteDown]

17. Yep, but a SALE is governed by different legalities. nt

[musicblind]

19. And it should not be because this kind of crap is a waste of police time.

[WriteDown]

24. I wonder if the judge would accept that reasoning...

if she sued for child support in the future. :)

[musicblind]

28. Were it legalized, they'd use the same reasoning used in places where it prostitution is legal

and then save a lot of police time, and a lot of state money by not policing morality.

Like another poster said, if this is "really" your concern then you should lobby to close bars, nightclubs, speed dating, and casual sex.

[WriteDown]

30. What do they do in case of a child or STD? nt

[JonQ]

33. Abortion/penicillin

[WriteDown]

35. And if refuses or not bacterial? nt

[JonQ]

36. Then it's her problem

what do you do about random one night stands that end in same scenario?

If she can track him down maybe she can sue for child support, if not, tough.

If she get's an STD then it's her problem.

I don't believe in protecting consenting adults from the consequences of their own bad choices.

If we were really concerned about the fate of bastard children and the spread of STDs (and willing to enact laws to control those) we would simply outlaw sex outside of marriage. If sufficiently enforced that would control for both problems.


Any takers?

[WriteDown]

38. I don't necessarily disagree, but that is not the reality...

Especially in the US. "Got you for 18 years" comes to mind.

[JonQ]

40. Then it's his problem

a guy who doesn't use a condom and has sex with a woman he doesn't know runs that risk, and I would imagine most adults are aware of the fact.

So are you now trying to protect the john?

[WriteDown]

41. Doesn't the woman run the risk as well?

If she's a worker and gets an STD or becomes pregnant, then that's just part of the job right? Like being a construction laborer and straining a shoulder.

[JonQ]

45. I suppose

and if it were legal she could have a union to look out for her, health and labor regulations, unemployment insurance, and OSHA backing her.

But I still fail to see what you're getting at.

These same problems, STDs pregnancy, etc all equally affect promiscuous women and men (replace pregnancy with child support). And yet you aren't trying to outlaw that behavior. The simple act of exchanging money in no way makes it more or less dangerous. So really what you're getting at is a behavior trend, promiscuity, which you don't want to regulate.

A woman who has sex with 100 men in a year for money, is she at a greater risk than a woman who sleeps with 100 men in a year for any other reason?

Essentially to address these issues you are concerned with we'd have to decide A) adults are not allowed to make their own decisions regarding their bodies and B) your body belongs to the government, not to yourself so any decisions you make regarding it have to be run by DC first. The health aspect is a canard, and issues relating to parental responsibility already have legal recourse.

[JonQ]

47. But in all honesty, who are these laws protecting?

I once thought the same as you did; prostitution is wrong because it's illegal, so therefore in must be wrong. Same with drugs.

Then I sat back one day and decided to research that notion and see if it held up. And it seems to me laws exist to protect the innocent from harm. Well, who is being harmed when two people voluntarily exchange sex for money?

Now many times people will say oh he could beat or rape her, true. But there are existing laws to deal with that situation. You could get beaten or raped going out to the bar, I don't think we should outlaw bars. Or in fact hanging out unescorted with a male friend (frighteningly common). I don't think we should require all woman to be escorted by whichever male happens to "own" them at the moment, as they do in Saudi arabia (no doubt they would argue they are protecting women from being raped or harmed and from making their own "wrong" choices).

Or she could get an STD/pregnant, true. But that's the case for any woman who has sex ever. We don't regulate all forms of promiscuous sex, only those involving money exchange. And in fact legal prostitutes have a very low rate of either of those because it's in their best interest to check, and in fact corporate/government policy. If anything these laws make all of those things (STDs, violence, pregnancy) more likely because they drive it underground and prevent government regulation, legal recourse, and legitimate business practices.

No doubt people thought they were helping by banning alcohol in the 20s. But who really benefited? Besides the prison and mortuary industries of course, I'm sure they rather like it.

[JonQ]

32. But it is far more important that the cops spend time on this

and arresting harmless drug users than going after murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals.

Those crimes are bad and all, but prostitution attacks our nation at it's very core; our upright christian ethics. Women must protect their virtue, and if they don't care about their virtue it is up to us to protect it for them.

[JonQ]

20. What if she states that all it will take to get her in the sack

is a nice meal, some flowers and a movie? That would be a contract, essentially trading material goods for sex.

[WriteDown]

23. If its in writing, like in a Craig's list ad, then its a problem...

:)

[JonQ]

26. Most prostitutes don't get a contract in writing

in fact I would say very few do.

[WriteDown]

27. Overt exchange of money for services is still a contract though.

That's why in order for a conviction they have to get you to say what you are paying money for.

[JonQ]

29. You said in writing

And saying "I will sleep with you if you buy me that necklace and take me out of a romantic evening" would constitute a verbal contract as well wouldn't it?

[WriteDown]

31. Sure would.

If its your wife or girlfriend though, then you may get a pass. :)

[JonQ]

34. I'm just failing to see the distinction

on an ethical level.

A promise of sex for material goods is found in both scenarios.

We're only penalizing those who are upfront and direct, and rewarding those who are vague.

Like saying writing up a formal contract to sell your car to someone else for a specific price is wrong, but insinuating that if they leave some sufficiently large amount of money in the old oak tree downtown they just might leave the car sitting with the keys in the ignition and no one watching (wink), is a perfectly acceptable arrangement.

Laws against prostitution really can't be justified in on legal, moral, or societal grounds. They only cause harm and protect no one. Same as our ridiculous war on drugs.

[musicblind]

39. WriteDown isn't arguing rationally he/she is arguing based on personal moral beliefs

regardless of what he/she may "claim" to the contrary.

[WriteDown]

42. If you say so. nt

[JonQ]

18. What about random hookups in a bar?

What do you do if a child is conceived, what if she get's an STD?

Ban bars and casual sex!

[Stuckinthebush]

11. Agreed!

A huge waste of resources.

[musicblind]

21. I'll 2nd that. A huge waste of resources.

If both adults are consenting then police need to stop prosecuting things based solely on religious morals.

[Sancho]

4. Did they say what kind of fee she negotiated with her lawyer?

:rofl:

[Laf.La.Dem.]

5. Note to self

No more posting on - craigslist:evilgrin:

[bluedeminredstate]

8. ????

When I was placing some things for sale on Craigslist the other day curiosity got the better of me and I clicked on the "services" section. The whole thing was full of listings for women offering themselves for specific amounts of money. How is that allowed and this vague offer is busted as prostitution? If the cops in my city wanted to bust prostitutes they wouldn't have to leave their offices and hit the streets. Their computer gives the emails and phone numbers of many, many women - pics included - who advertise freely on Craigslist. I'm serious - how do they do this and not get busted?

[Alcibiades]

10. Because the pros know what they are doing

They are careful, and have better copdar.

[JonQ]

22. I thought craigslist got in trouble for that

and had to change that section recently.

[Ikonoklast]

9. Yet if the same cop went out on a date with her, springing for a movie, dinner and drinks

and then had sexual relations with her, that would be perfectly legitimate.

What two adults do between themselves concerns me not at all.

[hughee99]

13. Exactly...

If they have sexual relations and then he gives her the tickets, it's prostitution. If he gives her the tickets and then she "thanks" him, it's a date.

[knixphan]

16. ditto

[JonQ]

25. No no no, that is acceptable

but coming to an explicit agreement before hand where both parties clearly state their intents and responsibilities is evil.

Trading implied sex for gifts is what good girls do, their honor is intact.

Trading the promise of sex for money is what evil whores do and it takes away their honor and virtue. I mean, how do they expect to find a husband that way?

[WriteDown]

44. That's a bit misogynistic...

A crazy thought here. Some women do it because they actually care about someone. You make all women sound conniving and devious.

[JonQ]

46. All the more reason not to get the government

involved in such a decision between two individuals, eh?

[Ian David]

12. I think prostitution should be legal, but only on your birthday. n/t

[rocktivity]

14. A cop reportedly robbed a pair a Rolling Stones fans at gunpoint for their tickets

And I myself have been to Bon Jovi, Pearl Jam, and Metallica concerts where I didn't take my ticket out until I was practically in the ticket clerk's lap out of geniune fear that I'd get mugged for it!

:headbang:
rocktivity

[Regret My New Name]

15. Why do the police care?

[JonQ]

37. They wanted the tickets, but weren't prepared to work for them

[Imajika]

43. Who cares?

What a total waste of law enforcement time and resources.