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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:14 AM
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Existing Home Sales Rebound to Two-Year High
Source: CNBC/AP

Home resales rose far more than expected last month to the highest level in more than two years as buyers scrambled to complete their purchases before a tax credit for first-time owners expires.

The National Association of Realtors says sales rose 9.4 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.57 million in September, from a downwardly revised pace of 5.1 million in August.

Sales had been expected to rise to an annual pace of 5.35 million, according to economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters.

The median sales price was $174,900, down 8.5 percent from a year earlier, but the smallest annual drop in 13 months.

Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/33447930
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:19 AM
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1. Oh NO - Heaven Forbid - Obama recovery plan is working
Oh No - The Short Sellers the Short Sellers

Soon it will be raining short sellers as wiped out short selling market analyst leap to their death from tall buildings on Wall St
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:31 PM
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22. wait til two months from now...
unless they extend the first-time buyer's credit- the 'trend' in real estate sales is going to be very different.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:22 AM
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2. A girl in my office bought a home 2 months ago
It was a foreclosure, dirt cheap but her boyfriend bailed and now she is struggling.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:24 AM
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3. Rule #1...
Never buy a house with your boyfriend/girlfriend.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:36 AM
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4. 1st time buyer with the tax credit. My money is she will be foreclosed on
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 09:39 AM by Craftsman
by Easter.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:40 AM
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5. Poor kid....
Terrible decision though.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 02:52 AM
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26. Not a lot worse a decision than buying a place with a spouse, maybe even a business partner.
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 02:54 AM by No Elephants
Or buying a place alone, then losing your job or having some invention or other factor render your own business more of a loser than it was when you made the buying decision. Or having the Republicans put the country into a black hole economically.

Life happens. People buy homes anyway.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 02:50 AM
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25.  'Cause married couples never split up?
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:42 AM
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6. 45% first time buyers, 29% distressed properties....yeah that's sustainable.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:49 AM
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8. The 29% distressed properties is sustainable.
No shortage of those.

:(
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:55 AM
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9. And that's before the bulk of REO comes online plus the Alt A's and CRE
crashes next quarter
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:48 AM
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7. Key word "rebound", not "recover".
These numbers are going to crash again next month, after the credit runs out.

Wintertime and no tax credit? They're going to hit rock bottom.

Still I guess it will allow Obama to claim a stimulus victory as it will become very obvious that the stimulus has been propping these numbers up for months. But on the other hand it will be revealed that the stimulus hasn't stabilized the economy overall.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:01 AM
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11. More of a dead cat bounce
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 09:56 AM
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10. Good news. I still think the recession will be over early next year.
Reason for continued optimism.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:04 AM
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12. Oh. Methinks you're going to get a nasty Christmas present.
These numbers are wholly dependent on the stimulus's first-time homebuyer credit, which runs out soon.

I believe in optimism, but we need to be realistic about the state of our housing market. It will get better, but not for a while.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:05 AM
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14. Yep, that is when the depression starts
The key indicator to look at is jobs. No jobs, no recovery.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:07 AM
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15. The key indicator is to look at the leading indicators index.
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 10:07 AM by robcon
The index is trending up.

That's the precursor of jobs.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:11 AM
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16. For many the only indicator they look at is the pay stub and how far it spends
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 10:13 AM by Craftsman
Both are still trending down.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 05:02 AM
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27. Not in a service-based economy it's not.
It's a new economic game and your model presupposes manufacturing as being integral in the recovery process. The reality is that those jobs are not coming back anytime soon.

By all accounts, this will be AT LEAST a 10-year process and it will NEVER get back to pre-recession levels. Enter the underground economy which is the way people who are struggling survive.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:30 PM
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21. Good luck with that
Especially when the economy, pre-crash, was about 70% consumer spending.

Now, people (if they have jobs) are saving more and spending less. How does that 70% slice of the economy recover in those circumstances?

Personally, I think that anyone who is expecting a real, broad-based recovery is deluding themselves. But that's just me.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:05 AM
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13. Pfffft - if Palin was president home sales would have climbed ***94%****
Someone had to say it...

:D
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:28 AM
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17. CNBC? They're not trying to re-hype a housing bubble into existence, are they?
:eyes:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:36 AM
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18. Calling the doomers and the gloomers, you are needed here
nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:33 PM
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23. not if people read the article.
once the first-time credit is gone- so is the blip of a 'boom' in the housing market.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:39 AM
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19. When I saw the letters CNBC, I knew it was another corporatist pep-rally story.
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 10:41 AM by Crowman1979
Corporatist
Nymphos
Banging
CEOs
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 06:32 PM
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20. Call it a distortion.
A lot of the people who were fence sitters got into the game.

This means two things. (1)A large proportion of those probably would have bought a house in the near year. We've scraped all those buyers into 8 months or so in 2009, leaving fewer for 2010.

(2) You've now introduced coupons into house buying. Coupons are a sellers nightmare. While they can be good for moving gobs of stuff and making year-end targets, they also prime the consumer to expect and wait for coupons. Why buy at $2.96 when I can get a 0.20 coupon next week or the week after?

The realtors know this. They want to do two things. (A) Remove the coupon's expiration date and plaster the streets with them. (B) They want to increase the value of the coupon, to shake loose those who are still not willing to get into the game.

(1) and (2) mean that looking at the house stats for the next year is probably a waste of time. They won't say what they would have said without the market distortion. (A) and (B) also mean that the market's likely to be depressed until all talk of any potential renewed, or even expanded, refundable tax credit is so completely ruled out that buyers are convinced that it won't happen.

The $7500 tax credit (repayable over 15 years) was a bad idea. Cranking it up and making it refundable wasn't a good idea, either, in the long term. It made more people able to afford more house without resetting their expectations from "how much can I buy" to "how much can I maintain".
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 01:21 AM
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24. K&R
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