C.I.A. Chief Says He's Corrected Cheney Privately (NYT)

[DemoTex]

George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, told a Senate committee on Tuesday that he had privately intervened on several occasions to correct what he regarded as public misstatements on intelligence by Vice President Dick Cheney and others, and that he would do so again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/10/politics/10INTE.html?ei=5062&en=f6e987766c1b0736&ex=1079499600&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=

Absolutely damning.

[David Dunham]

1. Really Neat!!

[DemoTex]

2. In other words. Tenet calls Cheney a liar.

Tenet is correct.

[kodi]

3. and yet cheney continued to lie? yeah, right.

tenet is full of shit. he didn't do anything to stop cheney from lying. tenet is a congenital ass kisser who did nothing to stop the bush administration from deceiving the american people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. CONTINUES to lie

Chenney is now fully into the Faith Based Foreign Policy

[AngryYoungMan]

5. The CIA lays low as a rule...until you try to screw them. Then you're dead

This is SOP for the CIA.

[DemoTex]

6. CIA = BU$H

SOP for CIA = SOP BU$H

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Wrong. When the NeoCons "outed" Plame, the CIA began...

...leaking info to the press like crazy. The CIA wants Junior removed from power...just like they wanted JFK and Nixon removed from power.

And the press is tied much more closely to the CIA than anything else...do a search on Operation Mockingbird and see what you find.

[DemoTex]

14. Wrong, MLD. CIA = BU$H; BU$H = CIA

Read Kevin Phillip's American Dynasty book. Poppy ran the CIA from the inside in Ford's 1976 administration, and then from the outside - arguably - until 3/9/04. Verb Sap.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Poppy isn't running anything at the moment, and has also resigned...

...from the Carlyle Group. Poppy also publicly split with Junior about Junior wanting to invade Iraq.

As far as your comments about Bush, Sr., Poppy was involved in major operations of the CIA going back to at least the early 1950s. I personally suspect that he was OSS during WWII. From 1970 on, Poppy had major input into the decision-making process of the CIA, even though he was not officially the Director of the CIA until Ford became pres in 1974.

Aditionally, the NeoCons have done everything they can to make the CIA look bad, to include trying to blame them for the bad intel on the Iraqi WMDs. The alleged "intel" came from the OSP, a group that operates out of the Pentagon. Rumsfeld made a play for having the CIA report to the Dod, but that was vetoed by the CIA itself.

Kevin Phillip's has written a fine book about Poppy Bush, but Junior's the one that has pissed off the CIA. Maybe you need to catch up on current events.

[DemoTex]

20. I am far ahead of current events. I am with history on this one.

I have tangential ties to the BFEE, through my former employer Ken Lay. I know many of these guys by first name - indeed more than most people (perhaps more than you). I have had a young George W. Bush on my JetStar II jump-seat coming out of DCA to IAH in the early 1980s. I have put up with the whoring of the Sec. of Commerce of George H. W. Bush (Robert Mosbacher, another CIA-guy) on jets under my command. All that is public knowledge. There is more. Believe me, much more, that I cannot divulge.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. If some of what you say is public knowledge, perhaps you'll indulge...

...a simple historian with something much more tangible than the mere words contained in your posts. I have to tell you that I'm personally not very impressed with name-droppers, and your post strikes me as such.

Additionally, I really don't care much for folks that claim insider knowledge and then try to explain why they can't talk about that knowledge. I've personally studied this and other related topics in detail for the last 35+ years and have a little military experience of my own.

You have your opinions, and I have mine. Let's leave it at that and move on.

[Stephanie]

24. DemoTex doesn't need to post his credentials at DU

I personally believe that you are right and the CIA has turned against the Bushes.

But there is no call to question the credentials of other DUers.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. There is also no call for one poster to attempt to rub the nose of...

...another poster in their alleged credentials, either.

I do however appreciate your support on the real substance of this discussion.

[rman]

25. resigned from Carlyle...?

Last thing i heard senior is not on Carlyle payroll, but does have an "advisory role" with Carlyle, meaning he does what amounts to sales talks for Carlyle, earning him some neat cash.

source: documentary "The Iron Triangle"
http://www.vpro.nl/info/tegenlicht/index.shtml?7738514+7738518+7738520+11838857
(Dutch subtitles, mostly english spoken)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Have you done any research on what Tenet has actually done...

...to try to stop the NeoCon Junta from lying every chance they get? Tenet tried very hard to keep Junior from discussing certain subjects in his State of the Union speech, and he also tried very hard to keep Colin Powell from giving the speech he gave to the UN. He has also given permission for the former CIA operatives to speak out on the Plame Affair. Tenet has also repeated stated for anyone that was listening that Iraq did not have WMDs.

What do you suggest Tenet should have done in addition to the points noted above?

[truthspeaker]

22. resign and spill

[cmd]

31. That would be the right thing to do.

Too bad it won't happen.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. More easily said than done when you're an employee of the CIA....

...and senior CIA personnel may resign from day-to-day operations, but they're always on call.

[Malva Zebrina]

28. He has never been down firmly on one side or the other

Tenet's speech at Georgetown was loverly--said there is nothing in intelligence that can be black and white--he gave everyone an out there, including himself and the CIA.

No one is responsible--and that is really funny. Here we are-in the aftermath of an invasion which was done illegally and unilateraly, having bombed an entire ancient city and ten thousand of it's civilian populaton, 550 of our men and women are gone forever from the face of this earth, and no one is responsible

Not Tenet, because intelligence can only make recommendatins based on either, or, Not Bush, because Tenet's intelligence was given to him and he made policy decisions based on that, Not anyone--this is not acceptable at all. I am not an admirer of Tenet. As Kennedy said to him yesterday "You can't have it both ways"--but ahh that is exactly what Tenet wants--to be divested of any responsibility .

All these players are all playing on a Potemkin stage in a Potemkin theater, in a Potemkin village--this is our country! The biggest deaf, dumb and blind killers ever to have waged war.

[Ilsa]

7. Uh, Tenet, what's the point

if Cheney is misleading the public with lies? He's needs to be publicly corrected so everyonehears the truth.
Bastards.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Because Tenet has too much personal class to engage in...

...grade school tactics.

[UpInArms]

8. I don't think that the private spankings

are working well -

is it time for a public flogging?

[0007]

13. ....yeah!...and a thing with a cross with lots of blood -

Kennedy told Tenet today, that he can't have it both ways.

[goforit]

19. Passion, eh?.........

Unfortunately I don't see them as victims.

They all seem to be crawling on their bellies now, hiding behind
their invisible cloaks for ALL to see.

KARMA is knocking at their door!

[mike1963]

10. Now if this can just get into the mainstream 'liberal' media....

sheesh...

Um, check yer DUmail Mac...
;-)

[DemoTex]

15. Mike1963

I checked, Karl. Nothing yet.

Mac

[alfredo]

16. Tenet did think they "had misrepresented" intelligence,

he should have known, and did know. If he corrected them and they kept repeating what they knew as wrong, they had misrepresented. When does misrepresenting become a lie?

[Tellurian]

23. Tenet knen what was going on all along...

He turned a blind eye knowing Bush had a plan in place...

blaming the CIA for bad intel naming Plame as the fallgirl.

It's not nice to cross the CIA-

[alfredo]

30. It is not good to cross any spook in any agency. The different

agencies have their differences, but when one is attacked, all are attacked.

[Tellurian]

32. Amazing! Each agency has a specialty--

mmm, now lemme see.

The CIA specializes in....oh, wait!

Insurrection and the Toppling of existing governments...?

Yep, Just what the doctor ordered-

[alfredo]

37. They also drink and party, but then that is

not just a specialty of the CIA, the geeks at NSA can knock down the brewski's with the best of them. Don't know much about the FBI, I have only had two encounters with them one was a party animal, the other was an up tight prig.

Professionally, most don't think beyond the mechanics of their jobs. If they allowed themselves to think of the consequences, they'd go nuts. Once you are on the inside, there is pressure not to think critically. That's where the booze comes in.

[Oilwellian]

17. So what happens now?

In the several appearances before Congress, and even before the George Washington University crowd, Tenet did a great job of exposing the Bush crime family for what they are...LIARS. Kennedy was masterful at getting Tenet to admit today he did correct the warmongering administration officials. That obviously throws the ball back into Bush's court. What now?

For those of you who missed this hearing, you can view it here:

[Tellurian]

33. So what happens now?

All Around the Mulberry BUSH

All around the mulberry BUSH
The monkey chased the weasel.
The monkey thought 'twas all in fun.
Pop! goes the weasel.

A penny for a spool of thread,
A penny for a needle.
That's the way the money goes.
Pop! goes the weasel.

Up and down the City Road,
In and out of the Eagle,
That's the way the money goes.
Pop! goes the weasel.

Half a pound of tuppenney rice,
Half a pound of treacle,
Mix it up and make it nice,
Pop! goes the weasel.

[Disturbed]

26. Tenet

I listened to and watched Tenet on C-Span for a few hours. It occured to me that he is keeping many things close to his vest. He is defending the CIA in a mild way. What he really thinks and is doing with his team we will probably never know. I sure would love to be able to listen in on the "closed" sessions. The CIA rank and file couldn't be too pleased with current developement. It's real obvious to me that The Office of Special Plans fed Shrub and the Congress.
Chainsaw Chainy is a cold blooded monster.

[leftchick]

27. wtf ever happened to investigative reporting? OSP!!

Read the whole thing. It dances around the issue of where that faulty "intelligence" came from. It was the Office Of Special Plans which Sen. Levin asked about twice yesterday. Colleagues of Feith my ass..... :grr:

<In his testimony, Mr. Tenet hinted at private disputes with policy makers. He disclosed that he had not learned until last week about a highly unusual briefing given in August 2002 by colleagues of Mr. Feith, the under secretary of defense for policy, to senior aides of Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush. The briefing outlined evidence of ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, contradicting the C.I.A.'s view that such links could not be verified.>

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. Will anybody hear this? Can I ask the peson who sits behind me in the

next cubicle who only gets the headline news skimmed from surfing the tube for reality shows hear this? NO.

Cheney - we know you lied and continue to lie. We knew it before the war and screamed it in our millions in the streets. It did no good. But we won't be silent - FASCIST!

[NNN0LHI]

34. Kerry needs to attack on this forthwith n/t