Chavez, Gaddafi seek new world order

[Zorro]

Source: Reuters

Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez urged colleagues from Africa and South America to help form a "multipolar" world on Saturday at a summit intended to counter Western economic dominance.

"This is the beginning of the salvation of our people," Chavez said in an opening speech to the two-day meeting.

His summit guests included Libya's Muammar Gaddafi, who is celebrating four decades in office and had a white limousine flown to Venezuela to meet him at the airport, and Robert Mugabe, who has led Zimbabwe for nearly 30 years.

Chavez has governed for just over 10 years and makes no bones about his aim to stay in office for decades more while he works to turn oil-rich Venezuela into a socialist state.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090926/wl_nm/us_latam_africa_3

[tabatha]

1. Robert Mugabe?

Good lord. Chavez has just fallen off the cliff.

[DissedByBush]

10. I love that crowd

A wannabe dictator, a terrorist and a man whose policies led his country to the second highest inflation rate in world history.

Really want these guys running things.

[struggle4progress]

14. Backgrounder: South America-Africa Summit

MEXICO CITY, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) - The second South America-Africa Summit began on Saturday in Porlamar, Margarita Island, Venezuela. Some 20 leaders from African and South American countries will attend the summit to discuss issues concerning education, health, energy and global economic crisis.

The first ASA Summit was held in Abuja, Nigeria in November 2006 ... with the attendance of the countries forming the African Union (AU) and the Union of South American Nations (Unasur) ...

The second ASA Summit will discuss the topics of education, health, energy and global economic crisis ...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/27/content_12114739.htm

[struggle4progress]

15. Bolivia president calls for more efforts to protect global environment

PORLAMAR, Venezuela, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales, in a speech to the second South America-Africa summit (ASA), called for more efforts to protect the global environment.

"If we do not guarantee the Earth's health, we will not have a place to live," said Morales, pointing out that standing up for the Earth must be a human right ...

"The empires are using us, are dividing us and do not let us develop ourselves. If there are empires, there is no development," he underlined, while explaining that every day more and more energy resources are discovered in South America and Africa.

On the other hand, Morales condemned the arms increase in the South American region and said the money must be invested in food to feed the peoples ...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/27/content_12116248.htm

[struggle4progress]

16. Brazil shows South American neighbors how to trade with Africa

One goal of the second South America-Africa summit this weekend in Venezuela is to increase cooperation between the continents. Most countries could learn a lesson or two on how to do that from Brazil.

A new geography of international trade called "South-South" - that is the ambitious goal of Brazilian President Luiz Inácio “Lula” da Silva. The former trade union leader wants to better connect his country with other developing and emerging nations, a vision he already announced back in 2004 at a UN trade conference in Sao Paulo. While he wanted to continue to export to industrial nations, he also emphasized that he was looking for new opportunities. "We want to foster partnerships, which enable better cooperation between the economies of the South," Lula said.

That strategy seems to work. Today Brazil sells more goods to developing and emerging countries than to countries in the northern hemisphere. China has become Brazil's third largest trade partner, after the US, and close behind neighboring Argentina. Aside from China, Brazilian companies have increasingly focused on Africa, a continent, which in the past was regarded mainly as the home of former slaves.

Lula himself already has travelled to Africa eleven times and doesn't get tired of repeating that Brazil is home to the largest population of African descent outside of Africa. The official export agency APEX has also intensified its efforts and earlier this month a delegation of Brazilian businessmen visited South Africa. Maurício Manfré, who leads the project within APEX, doesn't view himself merely as a representative of Brazilian companies. He is also on the look out for products, which he can import. "We want to expand and intensify this relationship," he says ...

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4724625,00.html?maca=en-en_nr-1893-xml-atom

[struggle4progress]

17. Latin American, African leaders urge speedup of integration at summit

PORLAMAR, Venezuela, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- Latin American and African leaders urged rapid integration of both regions at the second Africa-South America Summit (ASA) which began here on Saturday ...

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said that ASA member countries had achieved concrete results since the 1st ASA Summit in Abuja in 2006 ...

Fifteen African and six Latin American leaders have attended the two-day summit.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/27/content_12116296.htm

[struggle4progress]

18. Summit for South-South Cooperation

PORLAMAR, Venezuela, Sep 25 (IPS) - ... More than 20 heads of state and government and high-level officials from around 60 nations are meeting in the South-South summit ... The first to arrive at Isla Margarita were Presidents Mamadou Tandja of Niger and Tabaré Vázquez of Uruguay ... The leaders will instruct ministerial committees to follow up on their instructions with respect to the negotiation of agreements on trade, investment, tourism, transport, mining, energy, agriculture, the environment and telecommunications. The draft documents assign a growing role to the African Union and the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) ... http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/nota.asp?idnews=48606

[struggle4progress]

19. South Africa to participate in Africa-South America Summit

... International Relations and Cooperation Minister, Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, has already departed from New York for Margarita to lead a South African delegation to the ministerial segment of the summit ... http://bushradionews.blogspot.com/2009/09/south-africa-to-participate-in-africa.html

[WriteDown]

22. So your plan is just to flood this thread wtih posts?

What are your feelings on Mugabe?

[ronnie624]

26. Don't forget to read all of the articles that struggle4progress was kind enough to post.

They are quite helpful in rectifying one's ignorance.

[WriteDown]

28. So Chavez is not teaming up with Qaddafi and Mugabe?

Phew, I was worried there for a bit. Next thing you know, they'll say he's praising Iran.

[struggle4progress]

31. There are sixty countries represented at the South American - African summit. The stated

purpose of the summit is to foster cooperation and trade across the Southern Hemisphere. This is the second summit, the first having been held on the African continent a couple of years back. This summit is a serious enough enterprise, that about half of the countries represented sent their heads of state to it

I can't imagine how my point-of-view (or anyone else's) about Chavez, Mugabe, or Qaddafi would have much relevance to reporting accurately on the summit as a whole. Mugabe and Qaddafi are African heads-of-state, Chavez is a South American head-of-state, and given the aims of the summit there would be no good reason to exclude the countries Libya, Zimbabwe, or Venezuela. I do think it's insulting to the Southern Hemisphere to summarize the summit as Mugabe! Qaddafi! Chavez! O my! -- and I think such reporting merely keeps Americans ignorant of world events

[WriteDown]

41. Just see post 30.....

That about does it.

[struggle4progress]

45. But that really doesn't shed much light on the summit, does it? The summit

is not the private unilateral effort of Chavez, but a multilateral transcontinental initiative. And Iran is irrelevant, since it is neither in Africa nor in South America -- as you may easily discover simply by inspecting a map

[WriteDown]

46. You are correct...

It sheds light on Chavez.

[struggle4progress]

32. My plan is: facts first, interpretation second. Try it sometime: you may like it!

For example, when I see articles claiming (say) Chavez has brought Mugabe and Qaddafi to the Americas in order to hold a gigantic piss-fest, I am first inclined to see if I can put more flesh on the bones of the story

I myself consider "facts first" to be an invaluable approach to forming opinions: it helps ensure that opinions are reality-based, rather than being mere hallucinations

[onehandle]

2. "We need breathing room." nt

[Arctic Dave]

3. Nice slant TG. You forgot to mention the other twenty five other leaders in attendance.

So, how much of the twenty five million do you get?

[EFerrari]

8. These articles are hilarious. "Mommar and Hugo sittin inna tree".

lol

[Arctic Dave]

9. I'm waiting for the Photoshop of Hugo biting the heads off puppies.

I'm sure that will be TG's next LBN. LOL

[WriteDown]

25. Close enough...

but no photoshop

[Arctic Dave]

27. I don't get it? Tell me more. What am I missing?

[ronnie624]

11. Lol.

This article is not news. It's very thinly veiled political commentary:

Also attending were the presidents of Brazil and South Africa. Their model of business-friendly economics mixed with a focus on helping the poor is more popular among many African countries than Chavez's radical message.

[jefferson_dem]

4. More deceptive corporatist propaganda from conservative Hugo-hating mouthpiece Reuters...

Obviously, something is lost in traslation. Saint Chavez would never...

[EFerrari]

6. Progressive leaders in Latin America have been very vocal

about wanting independence from the World Bank and the IMF and all the baggage that goes with them. In fact, I think Ven just opened a new bank that is part of that project and has been in the plans for years.

So of course the effort has to be demonized. Do you think your owners are going to let go of all that capital without a fight?

[WriteDown]

23. And so they ally themselves with Mugabe?

Makes sense.

[Downwinder]

5. A little competition for southcom.

[ro1942]

7. Good luck to them the world needs a change

[WriteDown]

24. The new world order....

Looks like they're having a lot of fun

[appamado amata padam]

12. Given the conspiracy theories often associated with

the phrase, "New World Order," I thought this was going to be one of those "satirical political" articles:

Chavez and Qaddaffi are really the ones secretly in charge of the entire world's economic and military policies. Soon they will implement their plan, with the willing cooperation of the Obamas, Bushes, and Clintons, to institute a single world dictatorship. Those who offer the slightest resistance will be killed immediately. The rest will be rounded up and forced to live in massive labor camps, where they have to give up their names, to be known only by numbers. They will be forced to learn a new global language, Spanabic, which is of course, an hybrid of Spanish and Arabic...

[Tjameson]

13. Too funny and rediculous

Just a desperate cry for help. Like a little baby that can't follow the rules. If he followed the rest of the worlds' lead, he would have no problems...another sadam...bah!

http://tophopediamond.blogspot.com">Tjameson
http://loosediamondsforsale.blogspot.com">Tjameson

[Chulanowa]

20. Sarcasm much?

I are puzzled.

[cali]

21. what's ridiuclous is the ignorant people calling something rediculous

learn some basic spelling.

[humbled_opinion]

40. Did you just say something was redicerous? LOL

Now i am really confusious.

:silly:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. Gaddafi will stop at nothing to dismember Switzerland

[spanza]

30. The exact words from Chavez and his goverment...

Chavez about Mugabe: "For you, who like Bolivar, took up arms to liberate your people. For you, who like Bolivar, are and will always be a true freedom fighter....I give you a replica of liberator Simon Bolivar's sword...He continues, alongside his people, to confront the pretensions of new imperialists."

Chavez about Qaddafi: "He managed to be victorious over time and circumstances... and build a proper model of development, a proper model of socialism, a Libyan socialism, which is a thing very few countries have managed to do."

Chavez about the recent elections in Iran (spanish, official declaration from the foreign affairs ministry):

"República Bolivariana de Venezuela
Ministerio del Poder Popular para Relaciones Exteriores

COMUNICADO
El Gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, a nombre del pueblo de Venezuela, ratifica su reconocimiento al pueblo y al gobierno de la República Islámica de Irán por la extraordinaria jornada democrática que protagonizaron el pasado viernes 12 de junio, cuando tuvieron lugar unas elecciones presidenciales que registraron niveles históricos de participación popular y resultaron en la reelección del Presidente Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

El gobierno bolivariano de Venezuela manifiesta su más firme rechazo a la feroz e infundada campaña de descrédito que, desde el exterior, se ha desatado contra las instituciones de la República Islámica de Irán, con el objetivo de enturbiar el clima político de ese hermano país. Desde Venezuela, denunciamos estos actos de injerencia en los asuntos internos de la República Islámica de Irán, al tiempo que exigimos el cese inmediato de estas maniobras de intimidación y desestabilización contra la Revolución Islámica.

El pueblo y el gobierno de de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.



Caracas, 16 de junio de 2009"


In Venezuela we say "this guy is lost like a flea in a cuddly toy"....:)

[IndianaGreen]

33. Multipolar world called by Chavez is quite different from unipolar new world order called by Bush

Instead of confusing and misleading DUers with obvious rightwing propaganda disguised as news, here is what this is all about:

SouthAm, Africa for Integration

Isla Margarita, Venezuela, Sep 27 (Prensa Latina) The South America and Africa summit concludes Sunday in this island with the aim of strengthening integration to face larger global problems.

After six days of debates, the 61 nations attending the forum in Isla Margarita see the solution to the financial crisis, poverty, and climate change in the establishment of alliances in issues like energy, trade, education, transportation, telecommunication, tourism, science, and technology.

They also analyzed the available way to reclaim and build a new international economic architecture, away from inequalities and impositions from the neoliberal model.

"There is no better response than integration," Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said in his speech in the session of heads of State and Government, which will conclude Sunday at the Hilton Hotel of this Venezuelan island.

Host President Hugo Chavez, Ecuador's Rafael Correa, South Africa's Jacob Zuma, and Chile's Michelle Bachelet expressed similar criterion.

The Second South America and Africa Summit will close curtains today with expectations about the final declaration and an action plan.

http://www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=120708&Itemid=1

[anonymous171]

35. Same thing will probably happen though. nt

[spanza]

36. hmm?

Ok... reuters, the official opinion maker of your north-western world, and prensa-latina, the official state news agency of Cuba. Do we have no other choice than propaganda?

Good descriptive article though (prensa latina), very stupidly written article from reuters (agree) and great summit for us latin americans... very important initiative indeed!
But, with all respect, aren't you missing the point? I though the criticism was about Chavez building nonsense ideological relationships with people such as Mugabe or Qaddafi...

[anonymous171]

34. LOL Mugabe

[Lagomorph]

37. They'll find out that...

...in about two hundred years, they could pull it off.

[Odin2005]

38. Nice crowd Mr. Chavez hangs out with.

:puke:

[Mudoria]

39. Chavez, Gaddafi and Mugabe?

[spanza]

42. yeah I know, this one's nice too.. pure love

[spanza]

43. some are almost sexy...

[spanza]

44. we feel so proud in our country...