They're torturing me, Honduras' Manuel Zelaya claims

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Miami Herald

Honduras' fallen leader told The Miami Herald he is being subjected to mind-altering gas and radiation -- and that `Israeli mercenaries' are planning to assassinate him.

BY FRANCES ROBLES
[e-mail]

TEGUCIGALPA -- It's been 89 days since Manuel Zelaya was booted from power. He's sleeping on chairs, and he claims his throat is sore from toxic gases and "Israeli mercenaries'' are torturing him with high-frequency radiation.

"We are being threatened with death,'' he said in an interview with The Miami Herald, adding that mercenaries were likely to storm the embassy where he has been holed up since Monday and assassinate him.

"I prefer to march on my feet than to live on my knees before a military dictatorship,'' Zelaya said in a series of back-to-back interviews.

Zelaya was deposed at gunpoint on June 28 and slipped back into his country on Monday, just two days before he was scheduled to speak before the United Nations. He sought refuge at the Brazilian Embassy, where Zelaya said he is being subjected to toxic gases and radiation that alter his physical and mental state.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/1506/story/1248828.html

[SpiralHawk]

1. Republicon Family Values going global

How low & disgusting & anti the Teachings of Christ

[EFerrari]

2. The Miami "We"ll Print Anything" Herald try to make him sound nuts. The problem is

there are photos of people being gassed and of a truck with some kind of sat dish on it and witnesses to the use of hi tech weapons around the embassy. I haven't heard anything about mercs, although I didn't listen to Radio Globo last night.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Wow, a truck with a satellite dish.

what could that possibly be?

[Bacchus39]

14. its obvious, a high frequency radiation weapon developed by evil Honduran scientists n/t

s

[WriteDown]

16. I was hit by one of those once.....

Stings like a nest of hornets. Not as bad as those microwave generators they used to use on Godzilla though.

[Bacchus39]

30. I am beginning to see why he was kicked out of Honduras after being removed from office

Iran may have been a better destination for him though.

[Gman2]

19. And the US was not involved in the Venequela coup attempt.

[JackRiddler]

22. Of course it was - the US endorsed it, and thus from that moment owned it.

The coup plotters visited the embassy beforehand.

Carmona today lives in Miami.

Negroponte and Reich were already installing death-squad dictatorships, like the one Carmona figured to perpetrate, back in the 1980s.

But regardless of whether a paper trail can be established between the file-shredding USG agencies and the Venezuelan putschists of 2002, any attempt to disassociate was terminated on the first morning after the coup, when Secy. Rice endorsed it. That was that.

You back it, you own it.

[EFerrari]

29. Well, as Carter said over the weekend, yes it was. n/t

[Gman2]

31. That was my smarty pants response. I know they were.

[EFerrari]

33. Oops. Boy, this is my second Monday this week.

lol

[anigbrowl]

34. My neighbors are in on it too, they openly put them outside the houses

[WriteDown]

35. ROFL

:rofl:

[JackRiddler]

71. Yeah, it's not like sonic weapons are being used right now in Pittsburgh.

Except, they are. Today. And they travel on trucks. Astonishing.

The LRAD Acoustic Cannon has been used for the first time against US Citizens
http://www.youtube.com/user/HorseofPaulRevere#play/all/uploads-all/1/zc2t-bvmBRA
http://www.youtube.com/user/HorseofPaulRevere#play/all/uploads-all/2/RtGQq6llad4

But surely science fiction, right? Inconceivable that it could be supplied to Honduras. Also fictional are the guns with which the police gun down people on orders from the golpistas. Coup by the military, an oligarch's junta, suspension of rights, curfew for the whole city: all in Mel's head, is it now?

This is Pittsburgh, today, NY Times photos:





This is Honduras, yesterday:

http://tiempo.hn/images/stories/elvis1(1).jpg

(Due to file name, you'll have to copy and paste to see photo of the murdered protester.)

[WriteDown]

77. Once again.....

Sound is not radiation. You can retake the science portion of the exam next semester.

[JackRiddler]

79. And Miami Herald is not journalism, it's a hit piece.

Are the golpistas murdeering their people or not? Did they place a curfew on the entire country or not? Are they pointing remote weapons at the embassy or not? And you take a detail from a pro-coup hit piece (that may or may not have validity) and on that hinge your support of dictators and killers.

[WriteDown]

83. So he didn't say those things?

He needs to come out and clarify then.

[Judi Lynn]

101. More: Acoustic & Chemical Attacks on the Brazilian Embassy,The Sound & Fury of the Honduran Coup

September 28, 2009

Acoustic and Chemical Attacks on the Brazilian Embassy
The Sound and Fury of the Honduran Coup
By LAURA CARLSEN

Over the past few days, reports poured in from Honduras of the use of sound devices and chemical warfare in attacks on the Brazilian Embassy by the Honduran coup. The use of Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) has been confirmed by observers and journalists. Numerous photographers have also documented their use.

The UN Security Council today called upon the de facto government of Honduras to "cease harassing the Brazilian Embassy" and "condemned acts of intimidation."

These devices are described as a "non-lethal weapon" produced by the U.S.-based American Technology Corporation. They emit painful sound at 151 db. with a range of 300 meters on land, and are used in situations of war and to control demonstrations.

While acoustics weapons have been used over the past several days, on Friday the Armed Forces sprayed the Embassy with poisonous gases and by some accounts pumped them into the building through the drainage system. The Honduran News Network reports that First Lady Xiomara Castro de Zelaya climbed a ladder to ascertain the source of the attacks and was sprayed with chemicals. She and others in the Embassy are reportedly experiencing bleeding as a result of the effects of the chemicals.

Father Andres Tamayo described the situation to Radio Progreso, "Over a thousand soldiers in front (of the Embassy) left and returned with a cistern and helicopters spraying gases. There are also neighbors that lent their houses to spray these things and house the military. They have placed pipes to spread the gases. We feel a tightness in our stomachs and throat, vomiting, dizziness and some people are urinating blood. There are more than a thousand people around here and at this moment all we can do is drink a little milk."

A press conference was called to reveal the results of the analysis of the gas, done by public health specialist Dr. Mauricio Castellanos.

* Concentrations above normal of amonia, which is used as a base of pepper gas
* Concentration between 100 and 200 particles per thousand
* Hydrocyanic acid, which produces a rapid reaction on inhaling when it enters in contact with the iron in the blood, and produces vertigo, nausea, stomach pain, headaches and breathing difficulties

The report concluded, "This mixture is technologically purely military, prohibited under international treaties. Exposure for a prolonged period is lethal to any living organism."
Juan Almendares, a Honduran medical doctor and human rights leader, states:

"The occupants of the Brazilian Embassy that accompany President Manuel Zelaya Rosales, his wife and family, communities and protesters are the object of the launching of chemical arms from helicopters and airplanes or troops, and the use of sophisticated sound and electromagnetic equipment that have produced severe diarrhea, vomiting, nasal hemorrhages and gastrointestinal problems in both the Embassy and surrounding areas.

"According to the clinical reports, this could be due to the usage of toxic substances including: pesticides, chemical components of gases, radioactive substances like radioactive cesium and toxic mushrooms.
"It is urgent that an international medical team from the United Nations and the World Health Organization be sent. We are facing an irregular war against the people of Honduras. The Armed Forces do not allow the International Red Cross entry into the Brazilian Embassy, violating all international health treaties and conventions and human rights."

Numerous reports, including Honduran News Network sources, also mentioned radioactive cesium. If the use of radioactive cesium is confirmed, the consequences are very serious. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry finds that the effects of high levels include the symptoms listed above and even coma and death.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/carlsen09282009.html

[Judi Lynn]

102. From this article: Workers are being illegally forced to keep working overtime ( US-based companies)

to compensate for being away from work during the curfew:

~snip~
As the society breaks down into a coup-provoked crisis, the Women's Collective CODEMUH writes in to that workers in offshore assembly plants have been forced to work overtime to make up for time lost due to the coup's curfews, in clear violation of labor law.

The Collective notes, "According to Article 23 of the Labor Code, "Workers can participate in profits or benefits of the boss, but never assume the risks and losses," meaning that business cannot charge workers for the losses caused by the national political crisis, which the businessmen and women are key actors in causing. Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot force workers to pay for the losses that you provoked with the coup d'etat. "We call on transnational brands like Nike, GAP, Adidas, Hanes, HBI and Walmart, among others, as well as university students in the U.S. and consumers in general, who wear the products produced in the sweatshops of Honduras, to demand the offshore industry pay its workers for the days they did not show up for work due to the curfew of the de facto government, without requiring that they make up these days. And that the workers refuse to accept these extra days."

http://www.counterpunch.org/carlsen09282009.html

[Sezu]

87. Jack is a confirmed CT nut.

So cut him some slack; the voices in his head tell him what's what.

ROFLMAO

[Judi Lynn]

98. More on the "Long Range Acoustic Devices" being used against the embassy:

(From a link posted by DU'er Downwinder in the Latin America forum.)

Micheletti’s newest U.S./Israeli toy
September 25, 2009 · 3 Comments
Photo Confirms the Use of Long Range Acoustic Devices (LRAD) by Micheletti’s Troops, Against Zelaya

By Jean-Guy Allard

Translation: Machetera

http://machetera.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2009/09/artefacto_sonoro.jpg

Shock troops for the Micheletti regime in Honduras have used Long Range Acoustic Devices (LRADs), which can cause permanent hearing damage and other trauma, against the Brazilian embassy in Tegucigalpa where President Manuel Zelaya is.

This is confirmed by a picture taken by a photographer from the resistance, during the events which took place in the embassy’s surroundings this week. The photo reveals the presence of an LRAD, manufactured in the United States, which is capable of emitting an acoustic beam – an obnoxious sound similar to that of a car alarm but quite a bit more intense – which can cause serious damage to the hearing of the people toward which it is pointed.

At 100 meters, according to experts, reception of the LRAD beam can be extremely painful. At full capacity, the LRAD emits a 150 decibel sound wave. In comparison, the Concorde supersonic jet, emitted 110 decibel sound waves when traveling at full speed.

LRAD weapons have been frequently used against native populations by U.S. occupation troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

According to a denunciation issued by President Zelaya, these weapons are designed to cause a state of nervousness and anxiety and were delivered to the Honduran Army by Israelis.

On Thursday, while stating that there are around a hundred supporters at the embassy with him, he added that they have been subjected to “bombardments with chemical products and ultrasound waves that provoke illness and make people very nervous.”

U.S. experts say that any sound volume greater than 90 decibels cause permanent damage. The LRAD even provokes temporary vision loss, according to researchers.

http://machetera.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/michelettis-newest-u-s-israeli-toy/

[Judi Lynn]

40. Here's a photo, one of many:

http://d.yimg.com.nyud.net:8090/a/p/ap/20090922/capt.ac284bc1b9064ff49878cb2e507acf1b.honduras_coup_efx120.jpg

A soldiers points a speaker towards supporters of Honduras' ousted President Manuel Zelaya after clashes outside the Brazilian embassy in Tegucigalpa, Tuesday, Sept. 22, 2009. Baton-wielding police fired tear gas at thousands of demonstrators Tuesday morning, chasing them away from the Brazilian embassy where their deposed president who snuck back into the country remains holed up, avoiding threatened arrest.
(AP Photo/Esteban Felix)

More images of protest:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x22524#22624

[Judi Lynn]

45. Photo of protesters trying to block the police high-frequency noise:

http://static.guim.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/9/23/1253704980574/Zelaya-supporters-cover-t-015.jpg

5 / 22

People cover their ears as a shrill noise is played through a speaker
system in an attempt to drive people away from the Brazilian embassy

Photograph: Orlando Sierra/AFP/Getty Images

[WriteDown]

3. So now its the Israeli's?

Is he auditioning for a leadership role at the UN. Could be that Coke Zero is behind this.

[daleo]

The quote was "Israeli mercenaries"

So they wouldn't necessarily be working on behalf of the Israeli government, any more than British mercenaries are working for Britain or American mercenaries are working for the U.S. government.

[WriteDown]

59. What makes them think they are Israeli's?

What makes him think they are mercenaries? He needs to fill in some of the missing information.

[ProudDad]

69. Because international terrorism

in the guise of "security"...

is one of Israel's major exports...

[WriteDown]

75. It is?

Link? So he just "knows" they are Israeli's (code for Jews)?

[Sezu]

88. BINGO!!!!!!!!

The elephant in a lot of people's rooms. The JOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZ.

Crazy as a bedbug seems to be a requirement for guys like him.

[JonQ]

4. The guy sounds nuts

reads like a trashy novel.

[timeforpeace]

21. Everything he's said sounds insane, from the beginning. He incites violence but no one cares.

[DatManFromNawlins]

43. Even if he were reinstated, it'd only be for 2 months

Unless, that is, he doesn't care about his country's constitution, which is how this whole mess got started to begin with.

[EFerrari]

44. Back that up. Thanks.

[roody]

67. Please inform yourself. The Latin American

forum here is a good place to start.

[EFerrari]

5. Here's an update from DUer magbana's blog. Last I heard, she was on the ground.

Honduras National Resistance Running Update – September 24
2009 September 24
by magbana

Information for this update comes from websites that report on the struggle of the Honduran National Resistance:

El Frente Nacional Contra el Golpe de Estado, Honduras en Lucha

Habla Honduras, Resiste y Vence, and Resistencia Honduras

10:00AM (edt)

The golpistas announce that the curfew has been lifted. (reported by the BBC)


The International Criminal Court has agreed to look into accusations against the violators of human rights in Honduras.


At least four persons dead, including an 8 year-old child. The President of the Union of Workers of INFOP reported shot yesterday has now died.


Between 30,000 an 60,000 demonstrators participated in the demonstration at the Pedagogical University yesterday. The represssion from police was severe and dozens of people were seriously injured.


Ambassadors from various countries are coming out with a petition asking the golpistas to step aside and allow the constitutional president to begin governing anew.


Incidents of torture are being described by supporters of the President as well as disappearances (see pictures below).


The International Federation on Human Rights, based in Paris, demands that the UN Security Council take decisive action to stop the repression against the citizens of Honduras in order to avoid a “bloodbath.”


Rigoberta Menchu supports the return of the democratically-elected president and calls for the international community to help stop the repression in Honduras and specifically the OAS and the UN should take the lead in preventing violations of human rights.


The people of Honduras vow to continue the resistance against the golpistas.


The president has begun to govern from the Brazilian embassy.

http://hondurasoye.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/honduras-national-resistance-running-update-september-24/

[WriteDown]

6. How is magbana protecting him/herself from the high...

frequency radiation?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

8. The Pinochetti government is being taken to the ICC for their brutality.

Do you think that's funny, too?

[WriteDown]

9. That does not answer my question. nt

[EFerrari]

11. No, it doesn't. Why dignify it.

[WriteDown]

13. Interesting deflection. nt

[EFerrari]

24. What deflection? The MIami Herald is a right wing POS and your comments

are disgusting. I hope that's as clear and direct as possible.

[WriteDown]

25. And still no answer to my question. nt

[EFerrari]

27. See above.

[WriteDown]

28. Deflection to misdirection?

Now all we need is a hand-off. :)

[Bacchus39]

38. I'll take the hand-off. she/he compiles reports from pro-LOCO supporters

there is no indication that he/she is on the ground and there doesn't appear to be any live report from Magbanas mad as bananas blog. so a radiation suit is probably not necessary.

[mitchtv]

39. ignore the supporters of the junta

you're wasting your breath.

[ProudDad]

70. Don't feed the troll

When the holy name of Israel is mentioned, even in passing, there are certain people whose knees-jerk...

Logic, facts and reason don't work with them.

Just ignore it...don't feed it... :hi:

[EFerrari]

94. Done. You guys are right. n/t

[marshall]

64. Tin foil hats?

That is the protection of choice.

[EFerrari]

68. Truly disgusting to ridicule this man. Food, water, phones and electricity

to that embassy were cut off for days by a government we are still funding.

Sometimes I can't believe the mindless cr@p I read on the intertubes.

[WriteDown]

78. If it is microwave radiation...

that may be a very bad idea.

[bitchkitty]

91. Please don't bother with these people.

The right wing is never open to reason. They are not interested in the truth, the only thing they're interested in is hiding the truth.

I won't name names, but it's astonishing to me that DU allows obviously right wing trolls such to operate here.

[JackRiddler]

10. The Miami Herald is the home of pro-golpista, pro-CIA propaganda. I call shenanigans.

Not that the supposed allegations couldn't be true. There are mercenaries and there are shriek-emitting weapons.

But the propaganda nature of the article is evident throughout. Right up front we get that Zelaya is nuts and the people marching for his restoration are "looters," before moving on to any actual reporting of the news from Honduras or the United Nations.

This coming from what for decades has been the leading organ of the anti-Castro, pro-right-wing disinformation campaign against all Latin American countries that do not dance to whatever tune the "State Department" chooses to play.

[EFerrari]

15. They printed an OpEd from Pinochetti over the weekend. n/t

[JackRiddler]

18. They did? Or was that WaPo? Or both...

It would make sense for either or both, as they are easily the two most CIA infested organs on the planet.

[EFerrari]

23. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x22651

The Miami Herald is just as infested as the WaHo and twice as crazy corrupt. They make teabaggers look sane.

[Bacchus39]

12. it would seem he didn't have a plan to deal with the high frequency radiation weapon

or what he would do when he got to the Brazil embassy. He appears to have misjudged the response he would get from the military and the populace. then again, his judgement has been questioned for sometime when he ignored the Supreme Court not to undertake a referendum.


now its his sanity that is in question.


and Brazil isn't exactly thrilled:

"Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim told CNN en Español that his government asked Zelaya to tone down his rhetoric while he remains an embassy guest.

"The word `death' should not even be mentioned,'' he said."

[JackRiddler]

17. Brazil probably knows just what it is doing...

and your basis for the supposed discord is what, another quote from the same propaganda article?

[EFerrari]

26. The CSM published a hilarious Enquirer type piece about discord

between Zelaya and Ven yesterday, and they used some guy at the Brookings Institute for their "expert" despite the fact the Brookings has opened a campus in Caracas to train right wingers and to funnel money into their seditious projects.

[timeforpeace]

20. Or the Joooooooos. Micheletti said he can stay in the Brazilian Embassy forever if he wants. LOL!

[Mudoria]

32. Sounds like he picked up some heavy duty narcotics in his travels..

[L. Coyote]

60. You realize "heavy duty narcotics" are in the secret methods and materials black ops bag

The dark side can make anyone crazy if they can just get to their air, food, or water!
And, all three of those are NOT in the control of Zelaya.

This pattern is quite familiar for those with experience on the dark side.
No doubt, Zelaya is a newbie to these techniques, or he could handle it better.

Good thing Carter is now on the scene. He understands covert ops and human rights violations.

[Judi Lynn]

36. Amnesty International Reports Rise in Police Beatings,Mass Arbitrary Arrests,Closing of Media Outlet

September, 23 2009

Two Days After Honduran President Returns to Capital, Amnesty International Reports Rise in Police Beatings, Mass Arbitrary Arrests, Closing of Media Outlets, Harassment of Activists Since Coup

Human Rights Organization Cites "Alarming" Incidents, Including Police Tear Gas Attack Monday on Rights Organization in Capital

(New York) -- Amnesty International reported today that police beatings, mass arrests of demonstrators and intimidation of human rights groups have risen sharply in Honduras since the June coup d'etat, including the firing of tear gas at the building of a prominent rights group on Monday with 100 men, women and children inside.

Two days after President José Manuel Zelaya Rosales returned to Honduras following a June coup, Amnesty International warned that fundamental rights and the rule of law in the Central American nation are in grave jeopardy.

According to reports received by Amnesty International on Monday morning, about 15 police officers fired tear gas canisters at the building of the prominent human rights organization COFADEH. Around 100 people, including women and children, were inside the office at the time. Many had come to denounce police abuses during the break up of a demonstration earlier outside the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa, where ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya has taken refuge.

“The situation in Honduras can only be described as alarming,” said Susan Lee, Americas director at Amnesty International. “The attacks against human rights defenders, suspension of news outlets, beating of demonstrators by the police and ever increasing reports of mass arrests indicate that human rights and the rule of law in Honduras are at grave risk.”

“The only way forward is for the de facto authorities to stop the policy of repression and violence and instead respect the rights of freedom of expression and association,” said Lee. “We also urge the international community to urgently seek a solution, before Honduras sinks even deeper into a human rights crisis.”

Following the break up by police of a mass demonstration outside the Brazilian Embassy yesterday, numerous demonstrators were reported to have been beaten by police and some several hundred detained across the city. Reports also indicated similar scenes of human rights violations across the country.

Amnesty International received information that dozens of protestors were taken to unauthorized detention sites across the capital last night. Although most of those detained have been released, mass arbitrary arrests may make those detained vulnerable to human rights abuses such as ill-treatment, torture or enforced disappearance.

Amnesty International has documented the limits which have been imposed on freedom of expression since the coup d’état, including the closure of media outlets, the confiscation of equipment and physical abuse of journalists and camerapersons covering events. Radio Globo and TV channel 36 yesterday suffered power stoppages or constant interruptions to their transmissions which prevented them from broadcasting.

Background Information
Concerns about human rights in Honduras have intensified since the democratically elected President José Manuel Zelaya Rosales was forced from power on June 28 and expelled from the country by a military-backed group of politicians led by Roberto Micheletti, former leader of the National Congress. There has been widespread unrest in the country since the coup d’etat with frequent clashes between the police, military and civilian protestors. At least two people have died after being shot during protests.

President Zelaya returned to the country on Monday September 21 and is currently in residence at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa, the capital of Honduras.

On August 19, Amnesty International published testimonies and evidence, which documented excessive use of force and beating of protestors by police. In the report, Honduras: Human rights crisis threatens, as violence and repression increase, Amnesty International produced evidence confirmed from first hand testimony that detention and ill treatment of peaceful protestors are being employed as a form of punishment against those openly opposing the de facto government. Other protestors who support the de facto regime did not suffer the same abuses from security forces. Evidence contained in the report shows that during the mass arrests of protestors by the police and military, some women and girls were subjected to gender-based violence. At least two people have died after being shot by firearms allegedly by police or members of the military during protests.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGUSA20090924002&lang=e

[WriteDown]

37. What is amnesty intl's stance on Jews using....

high frequency radiation weapons?

[mitchtv]

41. are you saying Israelis= Jews?

apparently

[WriteDown]

47. Are you saying they are Arab Israeli's?

Its very possible. Hopefully, Zelaya will clarify.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

42. I'm sure they disapprove as much as they do the indoctrination of school children

by making them sing Obama songs. :rofl:

[WriteDown]

46. Could be....

I'll wait for their official statement.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

48. Oh, I can't wait.

:eyes:

[WriteDown]

49. I have sources that say that...

they are planning on using an Oxygen Destroyer on Zelaya.


*points if you get the reference.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

50. Whaaa?? No mention of Coke Zero. Frankly I'm disappointed. nt

[WriteDown]

51. The Oxygen Destroyer...

came before Coke Zero. Or at least that's what history would have us believe.

[Psephos]

65. Oh, for the love of God...

...zilla, I mean.

Can't you be serious for once?

The man is being TORTURED by MYSTERY RAYS created by ISRAELI MERCENARIES who are obviously CROSSING THE STREAMS!

[WriteDown]

66. Psephos....

I am surprised it was you who got the reference. I know there is one poster with a Godzilla avatar. I was expecting them to chime in. Nice Ghostbusters reference. "Everyone's got 3 mortgages these days Ray."

[JackRiddler]

73. Not mystery rays: The sonic attack devices in the photos (posts 71, 45, 50) are real.

Ridicule and ignorance should never marry.

[WriteDown]

76. You do know that sound is NOT radiation...

You've failed the science portion of the exam.

[JackRiddler]

80. Repetition doesn't enhance the charms of your pro-golpista denial.

Are they pointing dish weapons on trucks at the embassy or not? You don't care, you just think it's cool and smart to mock the democrats from your safe distance as the dictators cut them down with weapons supplied from your country.

[WriteDown]

82. Perhaps...

I work for the Israeli mercenaries. :eyes:

[JackRiddler]

85. The US supplies the Honduran military with weapons.

That, I presume, is your country?

Because the people do not support the coup, the golpistas ordered the military to put the country under curfew, in the course of which people are being killed.

Which is a cause for endless yucks and smileys from your corner, it seems.

[WriteDown]

86. No...

I'm posting from Israel. Zionist World Dominations Headquarters. I wanted to go to Honduras with my buddies, but have a cold. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

93. See my link in #92. Apparently some toxin or other was broadcast

"People are suffering from some sort of toxic poisoning with nose bleeding, urine bleeding, severe headaches, skin blistering and vomiting."

[Sezu]

89. They are ok with it as long as they don't

use high frequency barry Manilow songs.

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

95. Zelaya was right. At the Embassy, people are bleeding from the nose, vomiting,

have blood in their urine and are suffering massive headaches.

Welcome to ignore! Have a nice day!

[Zorra]

52. No surprise. Historically, fascist governments sanctioned torturing people in

many "new and improved" ways. Heck, look what the fascists did in Germany - I'm thinking of the very inventive Dr. Josef Mengele in particular.

Why would Micheletti and his fascist thug pals be any different?

[L. Coyote]

53. Recent Honduras News compilation thread here:

Pres. Zelaya in Honduras, in the Brazilian embassy. Police Kill Two Anti-Coup Protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6620246

[Judi Lynn]

54. We can use the information, clearly. n/t

[David__77]

55. Solidarity with the progressives of Honduras!

I wish them quick victory is overcoming and politically eliminating the fascists.

[Judi Lynn]

56. New wave of censorship in response to deposed president’s return

New wave of censorship in response to deposed president’s return
Published on 23 September 2009

In the same country
7 September 2009 - Media in coup storm

17 August 2009 - In new wave of violence against media, de facto regime “reaps what it sowed”

29 July 2009 - Gag on media getting steadily tighter in month since coup
Ousted President Manuel Zelaya’s reappearance in Tegucigalpa has prompted a new wave of censorship of the national and international press. The de facto government’s response to the news of his return and his appeal to the army to “turn its rifles on the enemies of the people” has been to impose an immediate curfew, keep the international press away from the pro-Zelaya demonstrations and do everything possible to silence the few independent and opposition media still operating.

“This clampdown on the media in Honduras is unacceptable,” Reporters Without Borders said. “We condemn the attempts of the de facto authorities to ensure that a serious situation goes unreported and we urge them to respect the rights of Honduran citizens, especially the right to free expression and free movement.”

The press freedom organisation added: “Deprived of news and information, the international community is not even able to find out how many people have been injured or arrested in the course of the military’s operations.”

The entire neighbourhood around the Brazilian embassy, where Zelaya and his wife have been holed up since 21 September, has been militarised with the aim of “sweeping the area clean” of demonstrators and news media,” as a police officer put it. The international media, including news agencies such as Reuters and the Associated Press have been forced to leave the neighbourhood.

The government headed by acting President Roberto Micheletti is gagging the national press, especially two pro-Zelaya broadcast media, Canal 36 television and Radio Globo, which tried to provide live coverage of the events around the Brazilian embassy including the crackdown on demonstrators.

The head of Canal 36, Esdras Amado López, said the station has not been broadcasting since yesterday when its power supply was disconnected. Radio Globo, the only broadcast media to cover Zelaya’s arrival in Tegucigualpa, said it has been forced repeatedly to stop broadcasting. Both media say the aim is to prevent them covering the dispersal of the demonstrators around the embassy.

More:
http://www.rsf.org/spip.php?page=article&id_article=34562

[proteus_lives]

57. Kay......

:tinfoilhat:

[Judi Lynn]

58. Back to business, but president still besieged in HondurasAFP

Back to business, but president still besieged in Honduras
AFP
September 25, 2009, 4:53 am

TEGUCIGALPA (AFP) - De facto leaders in Honduras Thursday reopened the country for business, as fears rose inside the Brazilian embassy where deposed president Manuel Zelaya remained holed up.

The Central American nation bustled back to life as a nighttime curfew lifted and airports reopened, three days after Zelaya sneaked back into the country, almost three months after he was ousted in a military-backed coup.

But fear and hunger intensified inside the embassy, still a temporary home to the ousted leader renowned for his white cowboy hat, dozens of his supporters and several Brazilian embassy staff.

"They're rationing our food, they don't let our families in. They're sending degrading messages to our cell phones," Zelaya told AFP inside the embassy late Wednesday.

"We only sleep for short moments. They attack us with noises, threats."

More:
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6096768/back-to-business-but-president-still-besieged-in-honduras/

[Peace Patriot]

61. The corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies are getting really ugly, like the corpo/fascists

who use their articles to trumpet the ugliness, and to spread the disinformation, psyops and goddamned lies that they perpetrate far and wide, even on a progressive forum. The Miami Hairball is the worst of the lot, even while it faces stiff competition--on the subject of the Latin American Left--from the New York Grimes, the Wall Street Urinal, the Associated Pukes and Rotters. Hard to choose among them. But the Hairball wins, I think. This article is pure malice.

I think we can begin to see the affinity between the ugly "tea-baggers" and the ugly media, the one feeding on the other, and acting, collectively, like a lynch mob. Neither represents the great majority of Americans, but they do have some power to demoralize the rest of us--to make us think, unconsciously, that we are all alone in our desire for intelligent discussion, peacefulness, fairness, justice and the common good of all. I am grateful to the other commenters in this thread for pointing out the real issues and events in Honduras, what is at stake, who is being hurt and why President Zelaya has the support of virtually every government in the world.

One other thing I want to point out, that none of the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies have reported. The military coup in Honduras was not only viciously attacking the thousands of Hondurans who made it to the Brazilian embassy, to hail Zelaya's return, but they had military checkpoints on all the roads, all over the country, preventing tens of thousands of people who wanted to be there from reaching the city. There is intense organizing throughout the countryside, as reported by NarcoNews and others. Democracy is in fact being born in Honduras, at this moment. What a dauntless, courageous people!

It has become the custom of the ugly rightwing in this country and of our ugly media, to create a picture of humanity--including a picture of our own people--that is false--that is an image of themselves: hateful, greedy, selfish, inhumane and unhinged. We should be wary of this method of degrading us all, and focus on the objects of their scorn--in this case, President Zelaya himself--and on those whom they callously ignore and whose amazing struggle for democracy is unfolding--the people of Honduras. Understand that they hate and revile Zelaya because he is challenging a rightwing coup, and they black-hole the people of Honduras because they greatly fear democracy, equality and justice. They must belittle this struggle, and they have enormous power right now to cast their own ugliness onto a big screen and magnify it, blotting out all reality and human feeling. They shouldn't have this power, but they do. I guess what I'm saying is, just spit this 'Hairball' out, and think of the people--the poor majority in Honduras--and all the good leaders who are helping out.

To President Zelaya, his family, his aides and cabinet members, to the people of Honduras, and to all leaders and others of good will who are working to establish democracy in Honduras, and to the knowledgeable people here at the DU Latin American Forum, who keep us all informed and encouraged:

:yourock: :grouphug: :yourock:

[WriteDown]

63. They truly are amazing..

Making him say those things. :eyes:

[JackRiddler]

72. Do you have anything to contribute that isn't empty ridicule?

How about an opinion on the events in Honduras. Who do you think is in the right? Why? What do you think should happen? What's the US role?

[WriteDown]

74. First..

We must get past idolatry and cult of personalities.

[JackRiddler]

81. So, nothing but one-line platitudes in defense of the dictators.

I don't use "ignore" but it will be easy henceforth to do that with you.

[WriteDown]

84. i don't think you know what a "platitude" is.

:)

[Peace Patriot]

62. Think of the people...

September 22, 2009

Honduras: Letter to the United Nations
Juan Almendares

His Excellency Mr. Ali AbdussalamTreki
President of the General Assembly of the United Nations
Mr. President:

Dr. Juan Almendares

I respectfully direct this letter to you appealing to your sense of respect
for life, dignity and the human rights of peoples; and recognizing in your
esteemed organization as a bastion in the struggle for peace and global
justice.

I do so in my capacity as physician to the poor, defender of human rights
and the environment, educator and former Rector of the National Autonomous
University of Honduras.

We send this appeal to your esteemed person as quickly as we can, although
we are sure that it would be supported by human rights organizations and
millions of Hondurans, because it is essentially about respect for life,
although it is not possible to make consultations in this case because
Honduras is in a state of siege, with the suspension of all constitutional
guarantees and the serious risk of imminent assassination of the person of
the President of Honduras, José Manuel Zelaya Rosales, currently hosted by
the Brazilian government in its embassy in Tegucigalpa.

We appreciate the efforts your organization has made to contribute to
conflict resolution based on peace, justice and respect for human rights.

The systematic violation of human rights in Honduras has increased, the
nation has become a vast prison without access to the wounded, tortured; and
unable to provide water and food to people who have been arbitrarily
imprisoned or detained in stadiums, sport courts, secret prisons, detention
centres and military police outposts.

The health status of malnourished children in hospitals is at high risk
because of lack of food due to the curfew and there is the possibility of
hypoglycaemia and risk of death. Thousands of tear gas launchings have been
made from aircraft and from the troops; and hundreds of people, mostly
civilians, have been detained, tortured, and wounded.

Neither the immunity nor the territory of the Brazilian Embassy in Honduras
has been respected. The life of the legitimate President of Honduras and his
family in danger, as well as that of the diplomatic corps, whose immunity is
not respected.

We appeal to you urgently to despatch a medical and UN human rights mission
to the Embassy of Brazil, to attend the President and his family and the
Brazilian diplomatic corps and to ensure the respect for life and health of
humans.

We urge that this mission visit the stadiums, sports fields, police
detention centres, hospitals and barracks where hundreds of Hondurans are
being imprisoned and tortured.

We know there are specific UN human rights bodies that are making valuable
efforts. But the process is slow and it would not be an exaggeration to say
that this could become a post mortem exercise.

However, a global call to conscience on the part of President of the General
Assembly of the United Nations will have the weight of his moral authority
in all corners of the earth.

In the event that it is not possible to organise the emergency missions
outlined above, we gladly volunteer to provide our medical and human rights
services, to visit the President and his family and the diplomatic corps in
the Brazilian Embassy; and offer the services of our health teams to visit
all detention and torture sites mentioned above.

For the sake of love and human and planetary solidarity..

With assurances of my highest consideration and fraternal greetings:

Tegucigalpa September 22, 2009

Juan Almendares
Executive Director, Centre for Prevention, Treatment and Rehabilitation of
Torture Victims and their families (CPTRT).

http://hondurasoye.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/dr-juan-almendares-open-letter-to-president-of-the-un-general-assembly-regarding-honduras/

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Do the jerks and liars at the Miami Hairball care about this? Do those here who ridicule President Zelaya, and make crude jokes when his life and the lives of others are in danger, and who ignore the conditions of extreme poverty that he was trying to remedy when he was violently ousted, care about this repression and suffering? Not a bit. So, please, reject their calloused view of things, and think of the people.

[Joanne98]

90. Israeli Mercs! WHY are they involved?

[EFerrari]

92. Update: There IS a medical emergency at the Brazilian Embassy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x22757

Looks like tear gas was fired into the Embassy grounds and the Pinochettis are not allowing the Red Cross in. What remarkable defenders of democracy they are, no?

[Peace Patriot]

96. OAS Human Rights Commission says people are bleeding, vomiting and dizzy inside the embassy

and the coup-run military will not permit the Red Cross inside, or any doctors.

From Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (OAS):

IACHR URGES HONDURAS TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PERSONS INSIDE THE EMBASSY OF BRAZIL

Washington, DC, September 25, 2009 – The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) strongly condemns the operation by agents of the Honduran de facto regime in the area of the Brazil Embassy in Tegucigalpa and urges to respect the human rights of the persons inside the diplomatic building, as well as its inviolability.

According to the information received, security forces of the de facto regime surrounded the Brazilian Embassy and threw unidentified toxic gases, causing intoxications, bleeding, vomiting and dizziness to the persons inside the diplomatic building. The information also indicates that since this operation started this morning, members of the Army have blocked the exit of any person from the Embassy and have prevented doctors from entering, including the International Red Cross.

The IACHR calls urgently on the de facto regime to immediately end this operation and to adopt all necessary measures to guarantee the rights to life, integrity and security of all persons inside the Embassy of Brazil and its surroundings. Moreover, the IACHR urges the de facto authorities to guarantee that doctors are able to enter and provide urgent assistance to the affected persons.

A principal, autonomous body of the Organization of American States (OAS), the IACHR derives its mandate from the OAS Charter and the American Convention on Human Rights. The Inter-American Commission has the mandate to promote respect for human rights in the region and acts as a consultative body to the OAS in this matter. The Commission is composed of seven independent members who act in a personal capacity, without representing a particular country, and who are elected by the OAS General Assembly.

http://www.cidh.oas.org/Comunicados/English/2009/68-09eng.htm

[mitchtv]

99. sounds like they need a battalion of

Brazilian marines to make an unannounced visit, and a flyover from the Brazilian AF. to reinforce the concept of inviolable embassies

[Peace Patriot]

97. NarcoNews: Detailed discussion of the weapons being used against the Brazillian embassy.

They have photos of some, and descriptions of the symptoms of a chemical attack (possibly caused by a vomiting agent like Adamsite, according to one commenter). UN officials have entered the Brazilian embassy. People inside are sick--reported nausea, vomiting, bleeding from the nose, disorientation and other symptoms.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3460/honduran-coup-regime-mocks-un-security-council-embassy-attacks

[Judi Lynn]

100. Apparently other people aren't as perceptive as those who take time to taunt Zelaya here.

That would include a great many people in Honduras who don't seem to know as much as trolls!

From an article posted tonight by DU'er Joanne98:

Also Saturday, about 2,000 Zelaya backers marched through downtown Tegucigalpa in a daily show of support for the ousted leader and to protest what they claim was the release of toxic gas inside the Brazilian Embassy compound. Zelaya said that the unidentified gas caused headaches, nosebleeds and nausea among about 65 of his supporters inside.

Francisco Catunda, the charge d'affaires of the Brazilian Embassy, confirmed Saturday that some sort of gas had affected those at the Embassy.

"Yes it was released," he said in a rare interview outside the Embassy. "One of our officials felt it, felt symptoms."

Catunda added that some people "had throat problems, but I don't want to get into details."

Thousands protest to demand Zelaya's return
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/27/2697690.htm?section=justin