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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:34 PM Original message |
Hofstra student recants rape story |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, man.......... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The runaway bride made it harder for missing persons like Annie Le |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The people who pull this shit |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. There was something of a delay, while they investigated the possibility that |
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99 Percent Sure (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Mm mm mm. Jamie Velez Mitchell and Nancy Grace got some |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Those harridans! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And both of them went on and on as to why Yale didn't have |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. They give new meaning to |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yea exactly. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Angry, angry, angry - |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. This watching TV gig has been interesting. I can actually feel my IQ dropping... |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:37 PM Original message |
Another liar. Just like the Duke lacrosse "victim". |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. Fortunately this was caught a lot sooner. The other woman never recanted |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Plus in this case there appears to be an ethical DA |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Unlike the Duke Lacrosse case |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. True. Almost anyone would have done a better job than the Duke prosecutor |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. And yet the guys falsely accused have been smeared everywhere.... |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. She could face charges. Says the DA. . . |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. False accusors might not recant if the penalty is too severe. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Wait! "Recant" is a euphemism for admitting to lying. So fewer 'recants" is a bad thing? |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I think what the poster was saying |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. oh, I see, okay. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. You expressed it better. Thanks. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
98. They might not make the false accusation in the first place |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
115. I would assume many who make such claims do it when they are not in the right state of mind... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #98 |
120. perhaps that would work for rape too |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Their pictures are still up on the Huffington Post home page. nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Of course they are. And hers isn't, I presume. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. It would be nice if more women spoke up about this. (I have.) |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Same here. |
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zonkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. I advise young people going off to college not to particiapte in gang bangs. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
90. Regretting it after the fact doesn't qualify it as rape either. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. Her name is DANMELL NDONYE |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
117. It would be nice if they'd show her face and name on the news |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why do people do this? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Because they can. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. My guess is that |
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Umbram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Girl at my school did it because... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. It's a cry for attention |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
79. Ugh, I hate that accusation. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Your friend had a legitimate complaint |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. The pseudo-victim owes us big-time restitution! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
28. Ugh, It's BS like this that caused my friend to be called an attention-seeking liar after her rape. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
92. She recanted because there is video evidence that she is a liar. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
30. One of the falsely accused first name is Stalin |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Who names their kid Jesus? Adolph? George? Dick? Jane? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
31. but...but...but...women NEVER LIE about rape! |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Normally, they don't. Your statement implies that they nearly always do |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Good post |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. How do you figure that? |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. What needs to be done is more thorough investigation before names |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. that is not true. |
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Umbram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Nope, there isn't. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. I have little doubt |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
38. The problem isn't this young woman |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
116. The suspects names should be kept secret like the accusers names should be. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. She deserves to go to jail. |
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democomments (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
114. Disturbed Males Get No Special Treatment or Leniency |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
44. So, an 18 year old student, possibly a freshman away from home |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I don't see why her being a freshman in college or away from home for |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I'm suggesting that this woman is relatively naive, which would suggest both that |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. how do you know she's relatively naive. I wasn't at her age. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I'm just going by the odds. Most 18 year old women do not engage in |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. What does that even mean? That it' s okay to pass judgment based upon stereotypes? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I'm not passing judgment based upon stereotypes. I'm saying, that |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Okay, I'll concede that there are alternative explanations besides 'she's a liar.' |
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IKnowItAll (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Maybe she craves attention....... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. "she's just looking for attention" evil, sexist stereotype that hurts rape victims |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
106. "acquittance rape"???? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
88. yeah, well this one did. it was videoed. that's why she recanted. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Yeah, right. Read "Random Family" by Adrian LeBlanc, and get back to us. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. "Random Family " describes the lives of people living in poverty. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
78. +1 |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
95. I suggest that you are the one who is naive. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Alcohol may have been involved? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The question is, was she too intoxicated to give consent? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. You need to stop now. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. The video proves she was lying when she claimed to have been tied up. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. They have been cleared of all wrongdoing, SHE has been suspended, |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. so wait... if 75% of men involved were drinking |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. So, if a person beats someone while drunk, hits another car while drunk, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. This goes against your own argument that if a woman had been |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #71 |
110. So one party has responsibility for their actions while drunk |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. I guess you'd be surprised. I would not. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. "what kind of person does this kind of thing?" |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. He's angling for an aggravating factor |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Stories like this threaten our cultural mythology |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. UPDATE: Hofstra Gang Rape Hoax Student Suspended; Attorney Says Video Proves Suspects Innocence |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Wow, what if there was no video? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Does the video prove the woman wasn't intoxicated and was capable of giving consent? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Burden of proof is on the accuser. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Wrong. There is statistical guilt. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Or presumption of innocence. That's for sissies. Shoot first, ask questions later. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Yep, we all know the woman lied because that's what the cops are saying, now. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
109. You seem to know that the most likely scenario is a group of men who took advantage of an intoxicate |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. Has anyone considered that the Reid Technique might be in play? |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Possible. That's how false confessions happen |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I'm not accusing anyone, just pointing out that these cases sometimes aren't clear cut. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. These cases are NOT easy... |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I see a lot of people jumping up to condemn the woman for lying, when all |
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The Onyx Key (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. Why is it more likely that... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
108. Do you dislike men? Your questions contain all kinds of sexist notions. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. The video evidence says otherwise. nt |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
85. Here's an entire aspect of this case that has gone unmentioned: |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Do you realize that there is a video of the incident? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. I find the description " porn movie" very interesting, since reportedly |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
93. Her name is Danmell Ndonye . DANMELL NDONYE |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. I'm guessing a lot of people are assuming that this is a white woman making an |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Why would that matter? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. 1. I don't think this story would be national news if the press had not assumed |
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The Onyx Key (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Great idea! |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Should it? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. If the race of the woman would "change [your] opinion of the possible scenarios" |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #100 |
118. I was completely outraged when I thought this was a white woman getting raped by black men |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
97. These assholes making false claims need to be LOCKED UP a long time! |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. I don't think it was a game to her. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. That's what makes it so easy for these assholes to ruin peoples' lives. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I can still feel sorry for her.. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #107 |
119. She cheated on her boyfriend and lied to cover it up |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #97 |
121. it's been a game for a long time |
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Danmel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
105. Not only is my user name Danmel |
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