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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:17 PM
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Denver synagogue vandalized
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 11:41 PM by El Supremo
http://www.9news.com/storyfull.aspx?storyid=25197

Hey, I'm a Presbyterian but even I can't tolerate these punks painting Synagogues with this hate.

How do we stop it?
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:19 PM
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1. psssttt...check the rules for posting in LBN...
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:23 PM
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4. I read them
Look, I don't read the forums on a 24/7 basis. Is the news too old? Was it posted before? Which rule did I break? If I did then move it to the General discussion forum.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:26 PM
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6. "When will this shit ever stop"...
is NOT the original title of the news article. You need to use the title provided by the publisher.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:28 PM
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7. Sorry, I posted my opinion. Was that against the rules? Won't do it again.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:40 PM
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10. The rule you broke..
The rule is that the thread's title should be the same as the title of the article you linked. You can fix this by going to your original post and clicking "edit."

Shouldn't be a problem.

As for the article...I'm speechless.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:42 PM
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12. Done, and thank you!
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:16 AM
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20. Awwwright
Good deal...and welcome to DU! :hi:

I'm pretty new myself, but I've found it to be frequented by mostly kind & intelligent people (small exception, anyone whose name rhymes with "feetwasher")...

Be warned...a perfectly productive person can find more and more time slipping into this place...not that that's a bad thing hehehe..
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:41 PM
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11. Posting your opinion here
is NOT against the rules. You just have to use the article titles in the subject header. This allows people to skim through LBN quickly and use it as a news digest and allows mods and others to spot dupes.

You can then post your opinion of the news item in the body of your post.

Welcome to DU and hang around a bit. :hi: You'll see how it all works — and the reasons for some of the rules — soon enough.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:21 PM
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2. Re: Original Message
Edited on Sun Mar-07-04 12:00 AM by SCRUBDASHRUB
Why should anyone, regardless of what faith you are, tolerate it?

Valarie (and I am Jewish, married to a non-practicing Catholic)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:22 PM
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3. OMG, that is beyond
sickening! And I bet it is that goddamned Mel Gibson movie, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it were whipping up anti-semitism because passion plays always do, even if they don't specifically blame Jews. It's the whipping up of the emotions that does it, not any particular saying in the movie itself.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:24 PM
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5. One way to stop it...
is to treat the walls with a graffiti-proof solution. It might be offensive, but to freak out over this is a bit much. Could be done by a mischievous 14 year-old jewish kid for all we know.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:33 PM
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9. If you're not Jewish, then I wouldn't say that
"to freak out over this is a bit much." That's an easy thing to say if you aren't the person or member of the group that has to deal with it. Graffiti and swastikas are a common vandalism when it comes to anti-semitism, they're almost never done by a "mischievous Jewish kid." If this had been done on a Catholic or Protestant church, you better believe there'd be a lot more outcry and outrage.

BTW, I'm not Jewish, I'm a Christian (albeit, a liberal/progressive one).
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:56 PM
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16. Excuse me?
So I have to shut up because I'm not jewish? And YOU'RE telling me this as a person who is ALSO not jewish? How "liberal/progressive" of you.

Do you really think that I don't know what a swastika is supposed to represent? Jeeeezus....

In the scale of racist attacks, graffiti is low on the chart. Sorry to tell you that, but it's the truth. And the thing about graffiti is that ANYONE can do it, even people who just want to play a cruel prank.

If you've got forensic skills in deciphering the motivation and profile of a person who writes graffiti, then tell me who did it. All this article tells me is that Mel Gibson is the prime suspect.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:07 PM
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28. Graffiti is only the first threat
and for those who have been threatened, it IS a big deal, rooboy.

Tansy Gold, the devout orthodox atheist who is nonetheless ethnically and legally a Jew.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:30 PM
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8. My guess: Colorado College Republicans
n/t
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:44 PM
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13. Does Colorado have laws against hate crimes?
Edited on Sun Mar-07-04 12:07 AM by Barkley
I hope that they do and that the people responsible are punished to the fullest extent of the law.

If not, then this terrible incident should serve as proof of the need for such legislation.

I cringe to think what would happen to gays if Mel Gibson had done a movie on "Sodom and Gohmorah" instead of the "Passion of Jesus".
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:50 PM
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14. Yes...
but you have to catch them first. This "tagging" has been happening more and more on temples in Denver. Even before that bloody movie. And the fundies support Israel, what is going on?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:02 AM
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18. The fundies support Israel
only as a matter of how it fits into their view of Christianity, that the Jews must return to Zion and become a nation again before Christ can return. It has nothing to do with any caring about Jews themselves. A good many fundies are very anti-semitic, but they keep it well-hidden.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:13 AM
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24. Yes...they don't mention the bloodbath needed before "Christ returns".
The Religious Reich and the Likud party - a pretty noxious combination. Two bad tastes, in one!

:puke:

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:17 AM
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25. Yeah. They're having some good laughs over the incident
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092397/posts

Rampaging Christians,furious at the crucifiction of Christ,are now attacking Synagogues...news at 10
1 posted on 03/06/2004 8:42:18 PM PST by woofie

To: woofie
Danged pentecostals are at it again.
2 posted on 03/06/2004 8:43:44 PM PST by marron

To: woofie
Here we go!

I got the popcorn!
5 posted on 03/06/2004 8:47:17 PM PST by wirestripper (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

To: tubavil
Unfortunately, I find this to be entertaining in a rather morbid way.
11 posted on 03/06/2004 8:54:45 PM PST by wirestripper (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:43 PM
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27. OMG, you have
GOT to be fucking kidding me! I didn't think even freeps would be that cruel and bigoted. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!

Someone should print that whole Freak Republic thread out and send it to all the major media outlets and all the indie outlets to show that anti-semitism is not only alive and kicking, and that that goddamn Gibson movie is wreaking exactly the kind of havoc Jews were afraid it would.

Geez, that's real fucking Christian of the freeps, isn't it? As a liberal Christian, that makes me physically ill. And can you just imagine their reaction if that had been a CHRISTIAN church vandalized like that????????????????

:puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :mad: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Duck90MPH Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:55 PM
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15. They have to catch them first
Did they ever catch the arsonists that burned down the multi-million ski resort in the name of "environmentalism"?
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:58 PM
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17. Your point?
That's a matter of policing, hardly a social commentary.
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Duck90MPH Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:12 AM
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19. punished to the fullest extent of the law.
My response was to the statement: "punished to the fullest extent of the law."

In order to be punished to the fullest extent of the law one must first be caught. Better?
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Welcome to DU
I can tell you really love it here. Lots of posts in one day.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:03 AM
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22. I love Colorado.
Oh, wait, no I don't. That's why I'm 2000 miles away right now.

Fucktards.

"We're gonna track down whoever did this, cut their balls off and shove them down their throats."

"Shouldn't you just call the cops?"

"No, they won't do the ball thing, it's against proceedure."
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:10 AM
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23. That's reprehensible.
There is just no excuse for this kind of hate.

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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 06:16 AM
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26. weird, I thought this kind of things only happened in Old Europe

were we lied to ?
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:36 PM
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29. What is it with Colorado racists....
Remember the flyers distributed in Eagle at the start of that Kobe circus? About how whites shouldn't get involved with blacks?

Are they actually transplanted republican Texans, who have moved to Colorado, that are fanning the flames of racist hatred?

(Things that make you go "hmmmmm")

God knows there are more than enough Texans in Colorado, and they aren't always welcome! (not the cool Texans, the republican ones. And before the cool-ass Texans at DU speak their piece: I grew up in San Antonio and actually survived attending Texas A&M, that bastion of conservative freakiness.)

I know when my husband & I went to visit CO in August (Ouray) we actually passed a house on the highway between Ouray and Ridgway that was flying a confederate flag in its front yard!

Sure, they have the right to do that: but THAT is not representative of the tolerant, laid-back, live-and-let-live Colorado that I know and love! And as a woman of color, it makes my radar go into overdrive.

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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:59 PM
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30. How Close Is This Synagogue...
...to the church that displayed the sign saying that the Jews killed Jesus?

I've been in Colorado since 1995, and I'm shocked at the number of hate-filled assholes I see around here on a regular basis. And many of them are Republican officeholders.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:51 PM
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31. Update: Hundreds Clean Up Vandalized Synagogue
Hundreds Clean Up Vandalized Synagogue

DENVER (AP) - About 300 people of different faiths turned out to clean up a synagogue vandalized with swastikas and Nazi symbols on the eve of the Jewish holiday Purim.

So many people showed up Sunday at BMH-BJ Congregation, where vandalism had been discovered the day before, that people had to stand in line for a turn with a brush and a can of paint thinner.

"This is a place for everyone," said Doug Mix, who is not a member of the congregation. "That is why everyone is here. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims and people who are not religious. We all came out here because America is still America, and we don't tolerate this."

A custodian for the synagogue discovered about 10 markings when he arrived Saturday morning. Purim was celebrated Saturday night and Sunday. Police had not made any arrests by Monday.
<snip>

http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/other/1110/3-8-2004/20040308073003_06.html

I am cheered by this- at least people are aware enough to get out and help clean up this horrendous act. Good for you, people of Denver!
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