Jones Resigns as Obama Aide, Citing ‘Vicious Smear Campaign’

[bemildred]

Source: Bloomberg

Sept. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Van Jones, an environmental adviser to President Barack Obama, resigned, citing a “vicious smear campaign” by opponents of health care and energy plans focused on comments he made before joining the administration.

“They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide,” Jones said in a resignation letter to Nancy Sutley, chairwoman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, released yesterday. “I came here to fight for others, not for myself,” he wrote. “I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past.”

Jones, appointed by Obama to advise on the creation of “green jobs” in March, was an environmental activist in California before joining the administration. In 2004, he signed a petition asking for investigations into whether high-level officials allowed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to happen.

Republican lawmakers and conservative commentators seized upon that petition to argue that Jones should resign. They also focused on his affiliation with ColorofChange.org, a group he co-founded in 2005 that is leading an advertising boycott against Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a7EKRP2bzNhk

[jeffbr]

1. First they came for Van Jones...

[HowHasItComeToThis]

8. THEY ARE RACKETEERS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

[SteveM]

296. And they're getting their way. Easily. (nt)

[SteveM]

297. This may be offensive...

The Democratic Party is like a drunken whore lying on a pool table in the back of a seedy bar full of ex-cons.

Pretty soon, you know what's gonna happen. Over and over.

[wordpix]

314. The Dems continue to turn the other cheek and play nicey-nice

:grr:

[EFerrari]

2. I can't believe his resignation was accepted over THIS BULLSHIT.

[tsuki]

5. This is the same thing that McCarthy did to General Marshall that

forced his resignation.

FOX NEWS - We smear. You jeer.

[Psephos]

10. It wasn't accepted, it was solicited. Count on it. nt

[Lorien]

298. No spine. None.

it's pathetic.

[donheld]

3. I wish Obama would not accept the resignation

[Blandocyte]

293. Indeed. He should be the decider.

But let's get van da man his own show on MSNBC! I'd definitely watch that.

[Political Heretic]

4. And so, one of the only truly left leaning voice in the administration is gone.

[man4allcats]

6. The presidential adviser who wasn't afraid to tell it like it is.

"Republicans are assholes."

Thanks, Van! You da Man! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DrZeeLit]

7. McCarthyism. Glen Beck wouldn't know a communist if one walked up and kissed him.

He's an idiot.
He's been going on and on about Rockefeller. Rockefeller! A communist? Geez... the guy had more money than God. Talk about your Capitalist saints.

And now this nonsense. Going after a decent human being and smearing him.
The lessons of McCarthy were meant to be learned FOREVER.

It is NOT a crime to be a member of the communist party.
Not. A. Crime.

Let he who has not flirted with all sorts of ideas as a youth cast the first stone.

As I said in another thread, THIS resignation and acceptance of it by Obama has made me more sad and disappointed than other stupid move by this admin so far. So far.
They must be aware that they are losing their progressive supports in leagues.
Sad sad sad.

[ngant17]

302. there's probably a pattern to be observed here

IMHO most of the people who are outraged at the thought that the official story of 9-11 was a whitewash or an outright deception, these same people will religiously believe in the government as long as it reeks of rightwing propaganda, i.e., Warren Commission, Oswald as the lone nut, ect.

Independent, critical thinking is a hallmark of intelligence, and Van Jones deserves all the praise in the world for his courageous stance wrt the 9-11 attacks. Republicans and their minions do not have sufficient brain processing neurons to engage in any sort of critical thinking, what passes for critical thinking for them, it is to echo the Republican own party line.

Rush Limbaugh makes millions of dollars a year for doing this sort of thing. He is a true corporate shill, the best that money can buy!

I'm pretty sure I would have already signed the same document questioning the veracity of the official story of 9-11 (911truth.org), and if I didn't, I will sign onto it anytime.

[Apollo11]

9. So it turns out that Glenn BecKKK is more powerful that our President ...

Who knew? :eyes:

[marshall]

288. It wasn't as simple as Jones's letter makes it sound

It wasn't just lies and distortions, it was also audio and video recordings of his own sayings.

His only other recourse would have been to embrace what he said--either say he changed his mind or say that's what he believes, and move on. But the administration didn't seem ready to take that step.

[NecklyTyler]

11. The right wing needs to realize who won the election

Cry babies like Beck and Limbaugh are getting their way by whipping a small segment of the people into a vocal froth

[Vattel]

12. I'm not a big fan of Van Jones's attempt to link green jobs

to fighting poverty. "Gee, what if we could fight poverty and help the environment at the same time? What a concept. Let's promote that." I prefer evidence-based approaches to fighting poverty. But I don't see why people like Beck should be appeased by being given Van Jones's head on a platter. Van Jones says that he never agreed with the statement on the petition. End the story there. Move on.

[cal04]

13. Breaking News: Van Jones resigns as Obama environmental adviser over controversial statements

Source: Associated Press

The White House says President Barack Obama's adviser Van Jones is resigning amid controversy over past inflammatory statements.

Van Jones, an administration official specializing in environmentally friendly "green jobs," is linked to efforts suggesting a governmental role in the 2001 terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans.

Jones issued an apology on Thursday. When asked the next day whether Obama still had confidence in him, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said only that Jones "continues to work in the administration."

The White House issued a statement early Sunday saying Jones had quit the administration.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_adviser_resigns

---

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/06/van_jones_resigns.html?wprss=44
rest at link


"I am resigning my post at the Council on Environmental Quality, effective today," Jones said in a resignation letter released by the CEQ late Saturday.

(snip)
"I have been inundated with calls -- from across the political spectrum -- urging me to 'stay and fight,'" he continued. "But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.


(Sure wish you would have)

[Cassandra]

14. Repukes being assholes...

is hardly controversial.

[mcollier]

209. Al GORE Step Up!!! We Need You

This would be a good time for Al Gore to lead in this vacant role...

[harvey007]

233. Yes -- Get Al Gore In There

It is truly sickening that Van Jones was drummed out of his position.
He's been doing great work advocating for green jobs. See video:
http://vimeo.com/5299479

Yes, get Al Gore in there to carry on his work.

[Apollo11]

285. Most definitely

Al Gore has a new book coming out on November 3rd

Our Choice: A Plan to Solve the Climate Crisis


Available to pre-order from all the corporate bookstores:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Our-Choice/Al-Gore/e/9781594867347/?itm=1

www.amazon.com/Our-Choice-Solve-Climate-Crisis/dp/1594867348

www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=1594867348

[beachmom]

15. That's too bad. He's a good man.

I saw him speak at Netroots Nation a year ago. He was very impressive.

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[Wetzelbill]

184. no just Republicans

and that one is true.

[Syntheto]

186. Surely you should know by now....

...that this is not the place for a different point of view than the orthodox one... Some thinking people might conclude after reading Jones' past statements that it was idiotic to put him forth for anything at the Federal level... too much documented baggage... it was a big misstep for the administration to do so to begin with... However, try telling the faithful here that some of his words could be construed as racist, etc, and might come back to haunt him, and you will soon learn that it's the Republicans, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, et al, and of course, the lapdog media that derailed him. Get ready to be flamed on, or get in line with the herd.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

215. so why aren't you outraged that republicans get free passes for far worse baggage?

Republican orthodoxy, "It's OK when we do it"

[tabatha]

16. BreakingNews has:

CNN: White House green jobs czar Van Jones resigns, blames lies and "vicious smear campaign" against him.

[rwheeler31]

17. Oh no this is disgusting.

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[valerief]

18. No, no, no!!!!! That bites. nt

[SeattleGirl]

19. Looks like the right-wing thugs won another round.

Bastards!

[snake in the grass]

57. And they will continue to win...

...until the Dems stand up to them. I really liked Van Jones and am disappointed that he felt it necessary to go. I find it curious that although the GOP has the attractiveness of a bucket of fresh shit, they still determine what goes on in D.C. Disgusting.

[DWilliamsamh]

235. Lets get it strait...Jones din't "feel it necessary to go." He was fired by cowards.

[snake in the grass]

251. You're right.

The spinelessness of our representatives makes me want to scream.

[mbperrin]

20. So it really is against policy to tell the simple truth about Republicans.

I was afraid so, and this only confirms it.

Why do they get to carry guns to rallies, wave signs calling for death, but when we call them assholes, it's the end of the world.

Here, I'll say it: They are ASSHOLES!

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[mbperrin]

187. You mean like AIG, Citibank, Goldman Sachs, and the rest of the "in"

crowd who have been running this country since Reagan at least?

Luckily, I was raised in a home which knew that insurance and banking are shell games and all their minions thieves and con people, so we're still intact on the direct contact front, but the Treasury has been a piggy bank for these plus Halliburton and other war profiteers for some time.

I hate that.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

216. +1000

exactly! UNBELIEVABLE!!

they are worse than assholes.

[totodeinhere]

21. OK, they got Van Jones. I wonder who is next. This is disgusting. n/t

[S_B_Jackson]

96. Next targets are likely

Cass Sunstein and John Holdren.......That fuckwad, Glenn Beck's been smearing them with the same slime that he was slinging at Van Jones. This is out-fucking-rageous!!!!!!!! And none of out elected leaders in the administration, the House, or the Senate lifted a damned finger in protest at this vile character assassination....:mad: They just laid down for fuck's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gopiscrap]

22. Jesus Fucking Christ

Obama is being the biggest wuss..he should have told the right wing...we won the election eat shit and die!!!!

[Flyover John]

23. Dang

I wonder who's next?

[d_b]

24. chickenshit whitehouse is chickenshit

it's going to be a hilarious four years.

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[RufusTFirefly]

25. Figures. He was probably my favorite Obama appointee

Many of us in the San Francisco Bay Area have known about Jones for quite some time. He was definitely a rising star. No wonder the Rethugs had to hound him out of office.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Mine too. A great American.

[Bluenorthwest]

148. Hands down my favorite appointee

Van was known outside the Bay Area as well, he's been on my list of good people doing good work for several years now. I learned more from a few emails exchanged with Van than I have from some entire courses of work. He's got natural skills and well honed talents, along with much of that awful flaw, empathy.

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[Anakin Skywalker]

26. The RW Hypocrisy is Stunning!

Let me get this straight, those @$$clown RWers (MANY ARE CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIALS) can be birthers, deathers and whatever, but this guy can't be a "truther"? WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD? Why don't all those Republican officials who said ridiculous things about Obama and the Democrats RESIGN too? WTF?

[treestar]

39. And then why didn't Cheney resign when he said go f-- yourself to someone?

:mad:

[wpelb]

47. You can't be serious

Former Vice Pres. Cheney and the Republicans, at least under Pres. Bush, made little or no pretense of "bipartisanship." So when Cheney f-bombed Sen. Leahy, it was no big deal, at least to Republicans. But as long as the Democrats talk about "bipartisanship," instead of saying, "We won, you lost, deal with it!" they'll have to muzzle anyone who makes strong partisan comments. Mr. Jones did just that, so he had to go.

Politics is a dirty business. It always has been, and it probably always will be.

[No Elephants]

119. IMO, the difference is that cheney used an expletive to one person, while

this guy smeared a large group of people. Temper versus stereotyping. Really not similar at all, though they may, on the surface, seem similar because both incidents involve vulgar language.

Substitute a racial or ethnic minority in this guy's statment and you'll see the issue more clearly. (BTW, you cannot do that substitution with "Go fuck yourself" said to a single individual.)

Now, it is not exactly like calling a racial or ethnic minority assholes because you cannot change what you are born and you can change your political views. But, the statement was still closer to that than to telling one person to f--K himself.

BTW, your memory seems short. Before Obama ran, in part, on bipartisanship, Dummya ran, in part, on being "a uniter, not a divider." And Cheney was Dummya's V.P., not just someone in his administration. So, using your logic, Cheney's statement was much more of a sore thumb than this guy's.

[The Wizard]

191. The fallacy in your argument is

race and ethnicity are not voluntary, joining a party of ignorant bigots is an option.

[wpelb]

221. Cheney v. Jones

Before Obama ran, in part, on bipartisanship, Dummya ran, in part, on being "a uniter, not a divider." And Cheney was Dummya's V.P., not just someone in his administration. So, using your logic, Cheney's statement was much more of a sore thumb than this guy's.

The retort by Vice Pres. Cheney also occurred at the end of an argument on the Senate floor, not in a speech or a Q&A with a sympathetic audience. More importantly, it came in 2004, near the end of Pres. Bush's first term, long after the "uniter-divider" contrast had either been formally or informally discarded. This mess has come up during the first few months of Pres. Obama's administration, presumably before cynicism (or is it political reality?) should have set in.

In any event, it's too bad Jones wasn't given an opportunity to apologize and/or explain his comment. He might have been able to wriggle off the hook. I was surprised that he resigned so quickly. Not only does it show the Obama administration is willing to cave in to criticism from those who would never vote for him anyway (does anyone believe that any of Glenn Beck's loyal listeners actually voted for this administration?), but it also shows that the President may have quite a bit of opposition within the ranks of his own party, perhaps even in his own administration.

[jmodden]

48. Fascist fuck Cheney

called Adam Clymer (NYT) an asshole and nothing happened.

[jmodden]

49. It was Bush

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/

[pnorman]

126. Thanks for that Salon article! I just used it in another venue.

That incident had come to mind when I first heard about Van Jones being pressured out. But my memory was hazy, and it would have been a difficult web-search.

pnorman

[NewJeffCT]

152. Democrats and the so-called liberal media

didn't demand Cheney resign and didn't puff it up into a mock controversy.

[howmad1]

270. And that's because:

the democratic party has become the left wing of the rethuglican party.

[24601]

158. Constitutional Officer verses non-Senate Confirmed WH Staff

No one seriously suggests Joe Biden needs to resign for an occasional misstatement....

[RamboLiberal]

281. You got that right

The assholes are saying crap that's near traitorous. Right on the edge of calling for Obama to be killed. Yet they are never hounded out of office. It's only the Dems & right now this administration who are chickenshit and reward this crap every time.

Time for Dems and this White House to grow a spine!

[treestar]

301. It's not a lack of spine, it's the media not covering it or not making

as big a deal out of it.

If the media were neutral, it would have forced Cheney into resignation for his comment.

[Libertas1776]

27. Typical

Rethugs continue to control the spotlight and the talking points even when they're not fucking in power.

[earcandle]

30. that is because money is considered more valuable than human life. and that is a distortion.

supposed we insisted that human life is more important than
the market?

And how would we show that? By showing up at funerals and not
at work? 

Got your garden, or trading system worked out yet for the
general strike?

[earcandle]

34. Anyone ever organized a general strike? Who do we ask how to do it? The French?

[happyslug]

177. General strikes are called by Labor Leaders, and this is NOT a labor issue.

Remember this is an environmental issue, labor may be supportive of the environment but it is NOT an issue a labor leader gets elected on (Unless it affects a lot of workers such as the eight hour day, minimum wage etc.).

When the French went out it was over pensions and labor regulations in general NOT anything else.

For example see the following:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50S1MX20090129

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-01-29-france-strike_N.htm

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ax_BnwxxAp6I

[glitch]

258. Ain't no law about it. Anyone can call a general strike, it doesn't have to be about labor. nt

[happyslug]

260. But you need labor to make it work.

And to get Labor, you have to get the Labor Leadership. Now at time Labor can force their leadership to lead, but even in those situation you need the support of labor. Someone has to lead, and that is labor and their show their leadership through their labor leaders.

[wpelb]

56. And whose fault is that?

If they're able to do things like this while they're not in power, how? Are they given power by the majority Democrats? Are there large number of "majority" Democrats ("Blue Dogs," but maybe others, even some most of us here think of as staunch liberals) who are willing to let controversial outspoken Democrats and other supporters of Pres. Obama to be thrown under the bus?

I'm not asking these questions rhetorically. I'd really like to know the answer. Because it is clear that the Republicans, from ex-Gov. Sarah "Death Panels" Palin to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, despite being minorities (even minorities of minorities), are able to shape the debate in such a way that Pres. Obama and other prominent Democrats are frequently left floundering--or so it seems.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. Bipartisan means that good guys like this get thrown under the bus

to appease glen beck.

[movonne]

29. Our party is becoming a joke...the repugs say anything they want

and wouldn't think of quitting...this administration better wake up soon..we are starting to look very weak...

[juajen]

31. So Bush can keep lying, filfthy crooks and murderers, but

Obama can't keep a man who tells the truth? Gimme a break!

[high density]

32. This WH throws its hands up in surrender a lot

They definitely don't got the backs of their employees.

[IndianaGreen]

269. Neville Chamberlain is alive and well

Appeasement has become our war cry!

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. Did anyone really believe that this guy would last past the labor Day weekend?

:shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

37. I thought he would resign early evening Friday but I guess this may be the best time - too late for

Sunday papers, Holiday weekend, Monday off with lots of big stuff coming up so it will barely be a blurb.

I'm sorry he had to go but I don't think anyone should be surprised at all.

[No Elephants]

122. Really? Why? Have all the birthers resigned? How about all the ones calling Democrats looney?

It's frickin' ridiculous that this guy has to resign while no one considers demanding resignations from Senators who talk of death panels and will not disavow birthers.

Republican broadcasters, who are even a much smaller minority than Republicans in general, should not be controlling our government.

Even if calling Republican assholes was termperate, it was one sentence. (And that was the reason because his truther statements were made long ago) An apology was given promptly and should have sufficed.

[marshall]

286. How many of those has Obama assigned or nominated?

Hopefully not any!

[GoCubsGo]

162. There is no best time.

I guarantee you that Glenn Dreck will be crowing about his "victory" the first moment he next goes on the air.

[liberal N proud]

236. He has to resign while Glenn Beck continues to be allowed to spout

racism on the air.

Whats wrong with this picture?

[No Elephants]

120. He certainly should have.

[Raineyb]

224. No he shouldn't have. He shouldn't have resigned at all.

I am sick and tired of Democrats apologizing for nonsense. All this bending over backwards and jettisoning people because the Republicans are acting like a bunch of whiny titty babies is NOT going to get these assholes to work with this White House.

[Freddie Stubbs]

318. If he did not resign, he would have been fired

[rwheeler31]

35. What a stand up guy he will be back.

[earcandle]

36. Just stop making excuses and become intolerant of asshats. And vocal about it. And black listy and

all.  

[pink-o]

38. Funny how Van gets advertisers to flee from little Glennie

then next thing you know, Kyl and Hatch are making sanctimonious rumblings in the Senate about Van's resume. How fucking blatant is it that Faux News owns the Repigs??

WTF is WRONG with a society that shouts down truth 90 percent of the time???

[treestar]

40. "defending my past" sounds like there is more to it than just calling

the repukes assholes.

[BP2]

63. I cannot believe who I am more angry at

the fucking repubs, or fucking Barack!

I am so fucking pissed off I can barely see straihgt. Good I can't or I'd throw this damn laptop thru the window!!

Goddammit! Barack could have refused the resignation. Instead, he sits and waits to announce it so Van gets to tell Jana over a 3-day weekend - real classy, Barack, real fucking classy.

[Delphinus]

130. Thanks for posting the picture.

I've been kind of out of it for a time, and have no clue what he did, but I think I saw a video of him speaking at a UU GA to the youth - he was AMAZING!

[AlphaCentauri]

41. Yes The Truth Hurts

[ro1942]

42. this administration

is as weak as water, i can't listen to them anymore,they are so full of it. this guy was great to bad.

[ihavenobias]

43. Cenk set the line at 2 weeks that he would resign and hoped he was wrong.

He was right unfortunately (skip to 3:33 in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLUW4QED2-0

[Mithreal]

44. People who call out Republicans are unwelcome in the Obama admin? nt

[Turborama]

45. OH FFS!! Faux News has won, this was all about the Glenn BecKKK boycott

As I summarized in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x365437

I can't believe that they actually won this. Obama should have rejected his resignation. What really disgusts me, apart from losing a great advocate for REAL change, is that now this has happened Faux must feel like they're calling the shots.

This has actually pushed me over the tipping point and I've lost all faith in this administration being strong enough to fight for anything we were looking forward to and excited about after the election.

[jehovas_waitress]

50. More likely President Obama asked for his resignation. N/T

[Turborama]

51. If that's the case I'm even more furious.

It's enough to make me want to give up being interested in politics and focus on local issues.

[go west young man]

124. Faux is the head of the hydra.

Obama needs a complete counter attack against Faux. Dems need to boycott appearing on the network and Obama needs to call them out as the mouthpiece of the GOP. The Fairness Doctrine needs to be reinstated and Faux needs to go. The Repubes see this as war and Faux is their headquarters. It's time to start winning this BS media war against the nutjobs at Faux. If Obama doesn't deal with Faux now they will run him down for the rest of his term and weaken/undermine him on everything he attempts to do. It's time for Dems to cut off the head of the hydra. Once and for all.

[Historic NY]

46. but it didn't change his message Republicans are still assholes.

[Elmore Furth]

52. It appeared to conflict with the "No Drama Obama" approach

While I agree in private with Van Jones' sentiments, I don't make these opinions generally public.

You can't s**t where you work.

[Bluenorthwest]

153. Translation: There is no room for honesty in politics

so you are not honest at work. Not a thing to admire, but to pity.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. I'm sure the administration asked him to resign.

Especially given Gibbs statement on Friday.

[Hulk]

54. Yup...the sh*t-sucking right wing loons win again...

This is just sad. A noble man by his statement. I hate to see them win, but he puts country first, and those scum sucking bottom feeders are only interested in dirty politics and fear mongering. They really are ass holes....each and every one of them.

[tritsofme]

55. After hearing that he is a truther, I lost whatever shred of sympathy I had for the man.

These people are just as ridiculous as the birthers, and shouldn't be in government.

[kickysnana]

59. Yah, truth is nothing we need worry our pretty little heads about. n/t

[arikara]

263. LOL!

n/t

[ima_sinnic]

108. right--we must lose all respect for people who question things

rest easy in your little world where everybody accepts everything the government tells them, especially the government under George W. Bush.

[slay]

111. OMG - There is nothing wrong with questioning the facts of something under the Bush Admin

like 9/11. We KNOW they lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We KNOW they lied about the evidence to even go to war. We KNOW they lied about so many things, and yet you willingly just accept their explanation of 9/11? I'm not saying I know what happened for sure, but there ARE legitimate questions about 9/11. It's not like our government hasn't planned to do a false flag OP like this to us before. We all know PNAC NEEDED into Iraq but didn't have a reason. With all the lies and coverups and secrecy out of the Bush Admin - how can you refuse to even consider the possibility?

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[sabrina 1]

116. After reading what you just said

I would not give much credibility to anything else you have to say.

[dotymed]

132. YES, BILL MAHER LOVES YOU

Differing points of view, are not a reason to fire or hate
someone. If you actually had a background in Physics, you may
be more sympathetic to those view points...

[pjt7]

137. I don't know any intelligent, open minded person

that still believes the fairy tale of 9.11

[Bluenorthwest]

150. Just say what you mean. Say "I agree with Dick Cheney"

That is all you are saying.

[Frank Cannon]

188. Because God knows the Bush administration never lied about anything

:sarcasm:

[paulsby]

303. get real

an administration that could have orchestrated the 911 conspiracy couldn't plant some WMD's in IRAQ?

the former is orders of magnitude harder to do than the latter w./o getting caught. WTC is a center of commerce in a busy city. HUNDREDS, if not thousands would have had to be in on the CONSPIRACY, not to mention the physical data does not support it.

so, the bush admin could pull this off, but then after lying about WMD's (vs being mistaken), they wouldn't go far enough to plant a few WMD's??

really?

that doesn't come close to passing the smell test.

[Frank Cannon]

308. Anyone who believes the official story of 9/11 needs to "get real"

A bigger bundle of contradictions, tall tales, and bizarre coincidences has never been funded by the American taxpayer.

The Bush administration had ties to Bin Laden and friends going back to their days with the Mujahadeen in the Afghan-Soviet conflict. The CIA funded and trained them. That's not a CONSPIRACY. That's just the fucking truth.

And as far as an elaborate plot, all the Bushies really needed to do, aside from greasing the palms of a few bad apples, is have specific information about a plot and do absolutely nothing about it. And I think it's been quite well established that's exactly what they did.

Funny that you should mention that they never planted WMDs somewhere. What makes you think they didn't try? What do you think all that stuff with Valerie Plame was all about?

[paulsby]

309. do you have any idea

how easy it would have been for just a FEW operatives (FAR FAR fewer than would be needed with the WTC) it would have taken to plant at least a small cache of WMD's in some remote iraq location?

so, they would use WMD's as the (primary) causus belli, be evil enough to allow the WTC to be blown up, but NOT simply plant a few WMD's in iraq to justify the war in the public's eyes, help the repubs get reelected, etc?

it simply does not pass the smell test.

[Frank Cannon]

312. Like I said, I do believe they tried

But I think they were called out by the international intelligence community. Anyway, it's a completely moot point, because following 9/11, they got their war anyway (and a Homeland Security Department, Patriot Act, "free speech zones", etc.) without having to do much of anything.

[paulsby]

315. oh please

it would be SO simple to plant some frigging WMD's, they took MASSIVE HEAT for not finding them.

there is no way an organization that would be evil and coordinated enough to either plan or standby while knowing about the imminent death of 3k citizens, would not also be able to plant a few WMD's.

ONE simple small copter load with a crew of a few people could easily plant WMD's.

that is a MUCH smaller op to carry out and succeed in than the WTC caper.

again, it simply fails the smell test.

considering the perceived GROSS implications that would happen if they DIDN'T find WMD's, it is not believable that they would do the first thing and not the second.

[Frank Cannon]

316. They didn't find WMDs and there were no gross implications

The prosecution rests.

[paulsby]

319. you are no proscutor

i deal with proscutors many times a year.

nice try.

keep believing the myths. keeps our country interesting.

[Name removed]

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[glitch]

255. Deleted message

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[diane in sf]

58. He told the truth and he got canned--I'm not happy to hear this

[Chulanowa]

60. And... I think I'm done now

If the Democrats are going to force a capable man out of his office because he said something before gaining that office, that is 100% factual, even if unpleasant... after refusing to say a word against a warmongering maniac and his constitution-rape for eight fucking years then fuck the Democrats.

[Tx4obama]

61. They had to do something...

to get the topic off of Van Jones and back onto Health Care.
YouTube videos of past/present actions and words are going to bite a lot of people in the butt, including the republicans.

[depakid]

64. As if that's going to be any sort of help

And as if Republicans give a shit. Strike that- as if Americans give a shit.

Look at the embarrassments that sit in the US Senate. LOL.

What a sorry nation this has become.

[sabrina 1]

117. And you think that he will be the last to be targeted?

Now that they've been handed a victory, they'll move on to the next victim. And the Dems will once again, bend over backwards to appease them. And again, and again and again.

Obama should have refused his resignation and called the whole thing a partisan attack by some fringe groups to distract from the important issues facing the country. And he then should have taken a lesson from the Bushes, and refused to talk about it anymore.

You DO NOT cave into bullies. Bush refused to fire Rumsfeld even when the military was demanding it. He gave medals of freedom to people like Sanchez after he was implicated in the torture scandal the Taguba report. They didn't care what Mike Malloy, or Randi Rhodes or anyone else had to say about it, did they?

Obama is FEEDING the frenzy by giving it legitmacy and accepting this resignation. Now he looks weak, now they will not stop and in 2010, they will be back in power.

[Mithreal]

232. President Obama is emboldening the terrorists in the Republican Party. nt

[BlueJessamine]

211. +1: "They had to do something...

to get the topic off of Van Jones and back onto Health Care"



:hi:

[Mithreal]

230. Using your logic, President Obama should resign. nt

[Segami]

65. Van Jones Resigns

Source: ThinkProgress

The AP reports that after weeks of constant attacks by the right wing, Van Jones has resigned as Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the Council on Environmental Quality. Below is the letter he sent to chair Nancy Sutley:


I am resigning my post at the Council on Environmental Quality, effective today.

On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me. They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.

I have been inundated with calls - from across the political spectrum - urging me to “stay and fight.”

But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.

It has been a great honor to serve my country and my President in this capacity. I thank everyone who has offered support and encouragement. I am proud to have been able to make a contribution to the clean energy future. I will continue to do so, in the months and years ahead.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/06/van-jones-resigns/

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

66. Also on msnbc.com

BREAKING NEWS: Van Jones resigns as Obama environmental adviser over controversial statements

[asdjrocky]

67. Under the bus he goes.

That's why we only have a bunch of money grubbing whores in the Senate. Nothing against money grubbing whores, they have their place, but not in the Senate.

[pink-o]

68. So is Glen (Batshit Crazy) Beck doing the Victory Dance.

Shills and cowards. All of them:mad: :grr:

[Duke Newcombe]

71. Don't worry. He'll be out the door right after Van, shortly.

Glen's "Death Panel" from the network is coming in 3, 2, 1...

[Joe Bacon]

89. I doubt it

Fox will not let him go, especially since he has a scalp now!

[totodeinhere]

106. You're right, his ratings are too good. They won't cancel him.

They think they can out wait the advertiser boycott. And overall, their network is profitable.

[mariawr]

154. All out war on Beck, Faux Noise and G-NO-P

LTE's, posters, graffiti, billboards, blogs,
boycotts---make the advertisers known and posted far and wide what they are supporting.
They are supporting the overthrow of our elected government. Make it plain and loud.
Sitting here moaning won't get it done.
Are you pissed?
The G-no-p will stop at nothing and the media is complicit.
The only thing that matters is money.
Full out boycotts and protests.

[AlbertCat]

200. And overall, their network is profitable.

Why do people think this?

Fox News is part of News Corps... which loses money quarterly. It stays afloat only because Murdoch infuses it with money.

[totodeinhere]

225. News Corp has lost money, but their Fox News Channel is profitable.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/news_corp_profit_falls_30_gains_at_fox_news_help_99799.asp

News Corp. is reporting a 29.6% decline in first quarter net profit, saying all media companies are being tested and the year ahead will be difficult.

One highlight: cable network programming operating income is up 31%. According to the report, that growth is "led by affiliate and advertising revenue gains at the Fox News Channel, FX and the Big Ten Network, as well as continued expansion of the Fox International Channels."

[NikolaC]

167. Don't Count On It

Faux "News" is getting a lot of publicity off of the mess that is Glenn BecKKK and the boycotting of his show. For a while they were operating in the red and still continued to air lies disguised as news, making a profit would just be a nice bonus. Faux is there for pure propaganda purposes and BecKKK is one of their biggest propagandists, with a bit of crazy and hate thrown in. I would be really surprised if they let him go.

[Uzybone]

69. what a fucking shame

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

70. So the Repukes win. Great.

[INdemo]

165. And they will win the debate about healthcare reform..

The health care reform issue is all but dead...Why..because we have a President,elected by Democrats, acting like a Republican and insisting on "bipartisan" involvement on this health care issue and is losing the battle..
We need a leader for the Democratic Party and all we have is an outstanding politician who gives a great speech.
Would there be anything else we think we can get through this Democratic controlled Congress? How about the union card check issue? Dead in the water..How about the issue about saving homeowners from foreclosure? dead in the water..
Now how about the issue about bank CEO's and execs receiving multimillion dollar bonuses while the banks were busy counting their handouts from uncle Sam? Well they got their bonuses..How about those that lost their 401Ks because the banks decided to invest them in high risk securities..dead in the water..
Is there any thing on the Democratic agenda we hope to pass through Congress that we really feel confident of it ever becoming law??
Oh yes we did get some sort of bill protecting consumer's from high credit card rates..Written by Republicans....and not really protection at all...but it was bipartisan...

[Hello_Kitty]

72. Meanwhile, Michele Bachmann still has a job.

:(

[KamaAina]

220. As do Sanford, Ensign, Craig, Vitter, etc.

ad nauseam. :puke:

But then, IOKIYAR. :eyes:

[Tarc]

73. What the fuck is this, something from the Palin Playbook?

Jesus, the last thing anyone in this administration should be doing is resigning in the face of faux outrage by ignorant partisan hacks.

[ihavenobias]

74. Cenk set the line at 2 weeks that he would resign and hoped he was wrong.

He was right unfortunately (skip to 3:33 in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLUW4QED2-0

[izquierdista]

76. Cenk is psychic

He sure called that one. Obama called for a transparent administration, and Cenk sees right through them!

[ihavenobias]

93. Check out the comment section of the video, it's brutal.

The right wing is gloating.

[Hugin]

109. They're gloating right here...

on DU.

[jmodden]

75. I don't believe it

It's not on NYT or WashPost.
Nothing on CNN.

[BlueJessamine]

142. Believe it.

It's the "No Drama Obama Administraion".

The New York Times:

White House Adviser on ‘Green Jobs’ Resigns

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/us/politics/06vanjones.html?_r=1&hp

The republicans ran this 'drama' right out of their headquarters @ FAUX News.

[oldhippie]

189. That was part of the RWer's complaint .......

That the major news outlets weren't covering the controversy.

[wisteria]

77. The RW is fighting against change on two issues they do not want to see change,

heath care and clean energy. In order to produce the results they want, they will do anything, nothing is to low or reprehensible for them. The only way to show we will not be deterred is to pass a health care plan and pass legislation real soon on clean energy and climate change.
They may have won a battle, but they will not win the war.

[Historic NY]

78. Man he done rolled out flat...but Republicans are still assholes thats unchanged.

[ut oh]

79. Straight up

BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT
BULL SHIT

I guess I should be saying 'Oh gee, what a surprize!' with eyes rolling in the back of my head.

[Strong Atheist]

320. In case it hase never happened: Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[KillCapitalism]

80. He caved to the right.

Sorry, but he's spineless for resigning.

[Turborama]

81. And so has Obama for accepting it. n/t

[Umbral]

82. They gave Glen Beck a victory, how fucking lame is that? nt

[jmodden]

84. Beck

resorted to McCarthyism in attacking Jones. He called him a "commie"...quaint.

[KillCapitalism]

87. Very lame.

I'm sure Beck's ego is so pumped up now that he'll start screaming for Obama to be impeached everyday. He'll probably think that he will succeed at that too.

[CBR]

151. It is really lame. Glenn Beck forces a resignation over believing in

"conspiracies." Glenn Beck!

[flvegan]

83. Seriously...at SOME point, we will be on offense and not defense, right?

I mean, the last 8 years under Bush was a poor training exercise for us, but at some point we will indeed realize that at least on paper we ARE in the majority, right?

[Justitia]

92. Sigh....been waiting my entire adult life for a really good offensive posture.

I mean, when do we stop pulling punches?

[BP2]

97. I don't know who's the majority.

I cant wait to see if we're thrown under the bus with Health Care.

Based upon Barack's reaction lately to any criticism lately, I'm sure we'll all need a stiff drink and a tube of KY after his meeting with Congress on Wed night.

We'll get screwed YET AGAIN.

[truthisfreedom]

85. Obama knows what he's doing. By replacing Van Jones with someone the right wing can't find a way to

attack, he'll exhaust them and marginalize them for trying to stop all progress.

[totodeinhere]

107. I don't think so.

Those assholes could find a way to attack Mother Teresa. When you lie you can attack anyone.

[AlbertCat]

207. Those assholes could find a way to attack Mother Teresa.

That's not hard.

http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/

[totodeinhere]

227. That's Christopher Hitchens for you. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

157. Name one person, just one, that the right wing can not find a way

to attack. Name one. If they can not 'find' a way, they make one up. Your theory is nonsensical. They attack everyone for everything. Or for nothing. You are suggesting appeasement of the right wing, and also a tactic that involves using good people as political cannon fodder. That is weakness.
So please do share a list of people whom the right wing respects, who are not Republican. Ready, go!

[pattmarty]

183. You're right. If we could resurrect Jesus to work as "miracle czar"............

..........these "ass holes" would attack him as a Socialist for wanting to take care of the poor, a "Nazi" for chasing the money changers (bankers) out of the temple and who knows what else their perverted minds could come up with.

[Mithreal]

239. True, but they would enjoy the magic tricks even though

they would crucify him again for his politics.

[Mithreal]

237. That is naive. Someone else already explained why so I won't. nt

[RobinA]

282. I Used To Think So

Way back during the bailout days, but they JUST KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

[Canuckistanian]

86. Damn. This will be seen as a victory for the RW nutters

I hope he gets replaced by a real firebrand from the left. Maybe someone from the Sierra Club or Greenpeace.

That would be sweet.

[Umbral]

91. Doesn't matter who replaces Jones, they won this one and they're on to the next already. nt

[notesdev]

88. Don't look now

But the President of the United States just got pwned by a microphone jockey.

I thought I would never see someone top Bush the First, but this may just be the weakest President in my lifetime.

[dolphindance]

95. The president wants people to do their jobs without distractions. Nothing "weak" about that.

I like Jones and agree 100% with his statement (though I believe the 9/11 thing is what pushed the resignation). But it wasn't necessarily job related and it did create unnecessary "bad" press for the administration.

[SweepPicker]

138. My Thoughts Exactly

Van made the right move. We do not need anything else in the way of distractions from the real issues.

[Mithreal]

240. Like "Clean Coal" right? nt

[BP2]

242. * NO, it is weak *

Barack could have just kept pressing on and eventually this smear campaign would have gone away.

Instead, he caved, just like he'll probably cave on us - the people who supported him - with health care reform. More compromise, when we have control of both houses. Barack is now acting just like any other Washington politician I've ever seen. Un-fucking believable.

Now every fucking adviser is going to come under unwarranted scrutiny and could be flushed by Barack, just like Van did. HUGE tactical error!


Barack's message to Van and his family:


"Happy fucking Labor Day"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EzYUWpWZRvo/Sogo4a2LGyI/AAAAAAAAADs/0mtRYLxkHeI/s320/Van+Jones.jpg

[BP2]

98. Yeah, in many ways

I feel we're simply in the third term of George Bush

[Iowa]

104. Yep... a real Caspar Milquetoast. Too bad there are no do-overs in Presidential primaries.

We certainly had evidence that he would be a wuss before we elected him, but I don't think anyone ever dreamed he would be as weak as he has been.

[glitch]

250. Bush the First's "weakness" managed to scam quite a lot of money for his family and friends.

Otherwise agreed, this resignation/acceptance is abysmally weak.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

90. how do they win with stuff like this every time? Right wing hot air blowhards talk about

poisoning, murdering, blowing up, bashing liberals in with baseball bats, and they get to keep their jobs. Right wing hypocritical horn dogs end up with prostitutes, even go so far as to leave the country, disappearing from official positions, and they get to keep their jobs, cable networks flat out put up headlines advocating "overthrow", remove it without apology, and it seems like our side is the one always being submissive, defensive, apologizing, I just don't get this.

Editied for clalrity, I am pissed about this....

[burrowowl]

94. DAMN!

and DAMN!

and wh will be the wishy-washy spineless jellyfish that will replace him?

[ulaes]

99. not about the a**hole remark

This has more to do with blaming government officials for 9-11 than for the "asshole" statement.

[slay]

114. Yes god forbid anyone every get in power who logically questioned the cover-up of 9/11

like so many of us. i don't know what happened for sure, i just know we were not told the whole truth and stuff has been covered up in regards to 9/11.

[sabrina 1]

121. Something wrong with that? Especially since that puts him

in the majority of people around the globe. He wanted a real investigation. So do I and do every single person I know both Dems and Repubs.

No one in their right mind believes the 'official' version of 9/11. Dems caved on that also, and forbade any discussion of it, handing yet another victory to the rightwingnuts.

Only in America are there any significant numbers of people who believe that the truth was told, or that the 9/11 commission was anything but a sham, and that includes families of the victims.

We need MORE not less people like him who refuse to be lied to running this country. You realize that our government can do what they want, torture, go to war based on lies, let a whole US city drown, and refuse to investigate a major terror attack, and there will be people who will say 'well, we can't really talk about that, you know, it doesn't look good'. And so they will do more, and it will get worse, because the country is populated by wimps, cowards and weaklings who are afraid of their own shadows. I am so disgusted. When a clown like Glenn Beck has more power than the president, it's time to quit.

[Blandocyte]

294. The 911 "controversy" is on par with birthers

[TankLV]

202. Which would be a COURAGEOUS and TRUE stand to BLAME bush* & his REGIME for LIHOP!!!

There was NEVER a real investigation of what occurred, and even the whitewash by YOU REPUKES was never completed!!!

[d_b]

100. I can't wait 'til they fuck us on the public option

how awesome is that going to be, eh?

Glenn Beck 1

Health Care 0

:puke:

I don't see why the right hates this White House so much. Shit, they run it lol

[countmyvote4real]

101. WTF? NO. no no no no no Wrong move.

This is not how to deal with CRAZY.

CRAZY should be ignored. You do not resign for CRAZY.

I can't believe how lame this move is.

It's like inviting a vampire into your house.

How stupid is this?

[Mixopterus]

102. Clearly

Obama is playing chess, you see, this is all part of a huge super duper secret plan he has that will shock and awe us in the end!

The curtains will pull back, rainbows will fly out of his ass, and then he'll pull a look not unlike Tim Heidecker and we'll all be instantly reassured and have warm, fuzzy feelings.

[AusDem]

103. this is ridiculous

appointees for the bush admin hung on until they actually effed something up big time, whereas just the mere suggestions of impropriety (and in the case of the republican comment, the outright truth) are enough for democrats to run for cover.

GUNS, stick to them.

how did things get so bad in the short period between Jan 20 and today?

[Bolo Boffin]

105. All I know is when I go out to kill whitey

I always prerecord my confession on a rap album and sell it. It saves time down at the station.

Idiocy reigns supreme tonight. Glenn Beck Next!

[ima_sinnic]

110. anyone get the feeling that Obama cares more about the republicans than he does about his base?

From now on, I will be watching from the sidelines as this weak and ineffectual administration lies down and lets itself be used as a doormat before sinking into obscurity in 2012. Obama could have been great but insists instead on lowering the bar to the level of the lowest common slime. Heaven forbid that anyone say the truth about that slime.

[slay]

112. +1

and a sad +1 at that but i must agree with you.. :(

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

113. No way!

Please don't tell me this administration is this weak to back down to Glenn Beck?? Please!?

[AieinAristuein]

115. We can't just sit by and take this! We must protest!

This is just Bull Shit!

How are we going to stand up to insurance companies and big pharm when a man is driven out of his job because of his political views!

How is this happening? They never challenge the quality of his work, they just called him a communist and that was enough.

McCarthy lives!

[Doctor_J]

175. Snark. Protest. Like that will accomplish something

Save your energy and mony to emigrate before Beck is named Emperor

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6352425#6352583

[dotymed]

134. I HAVE NO CHOICE

but to believe that this administration is owned by corporate
interests and has very little say about anything. Please go to
"bradblog.com" and watch the Sibel Edmonds
testimony. If the Turkish embassy can own and blackmail key
members of Congress, then surely some (richer)country (or
corporation) can own and blackmail our President. It is
terrifying, when you realize that there has been ZERO media
coverage about the treasonous activities that Sibel has
testified to (under oath) concerning the bribing and blackmail
of Congressmen/women. Sibel has the proof, it is (was?)
contained in classified FBI documents. Not a word, almost 1
month later, about these revelations that prove treason,
selling nuclear secrets, vote buying, etc.. by members of
Congress. What does that say about our Nation and
"media?"

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

118. This country is in deep shit if every time a Republican says "jump" the response is always....

..."how high" rather than a BIG "FUCK YOU"!!!

The president, for reasons unknown, is still licking the Republicans' ass. Why? Every day they go out and damn him to hell, calling him a socialist, a terrorist, questioning his birthright, patriotism, calling him Hitler. And never is there an apology demanded.

This guy goes out and makes comments BEFORE joining the administration, the Republicans demand a resignation, and he resigns?!?!?!?!? :puke::puke:

The real tragedy here is that we have lost another soldier in the public policy arena. My boss was a member of the Council of Environmental Quality and was working with members of other federal agencies and Van Jones on creating green jobs and other energy issues. :nono:

[sabrina 1]

123. Why does he suck up to Republicans?

I don't know but it's been a real problem with him from way back in the primaries. His catering to fundies, his remarks about Reagan as if he couldn't think of a good Democratic President to admire. And worst of all, his cabinet choices. Rahm Emmanuel was a direct insult to the base of this party.

I don't know why the right doesn't love him as he and his close advisers seem to feel the same way about the 'left', his base, as they do. He wants desperately not to be seen with them. Rahm and his crew have basically told us to STFU.

I'm beginning to wonder why he didn't BECOME a Republican. Maybe because it doesn' matter and they have to pretend there are two parties.

I don't know, but he sure doesn't act like someone who is working for the people who worked for him. It is sad to have to say it, and I'm trying to hold on to some hope, but it's hard to do.

[Mithreal]

243. Why? Plays well with Independents who watch corporate media. nt

[Name removed]

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[IdaBriggs]

128. Troll. Not even subtle.

Artur Axmann, 83, a Top Nazi Who Headed the Hitler Youth

[robcon]

127. The really bad thing about this is that it will increase Genn Beck's power among the RW shitheads.

n/t

[dotymed]

129. I JUST LEFT "NEWSVINE" ON MSNBC

 I had to shower afterward, to get all of the rabid spittle
off. How can these people exist in the same universe that we
do. They definitely are the "Bizzaro World." They
were dancing on Van Jones grave, way early I hope. He was one
of the few "appointments" that stayed true to
pre-election Obama's values. Look at the very high positions
that Bush appointed people like Wolfowitz and Pearle to. They
were whacked out neo-cons who spoke out and wrote papers on
the necessity of a "New Pearl Harbor" (thousands of
Americans killed just like 9-11) so they could herd the
sheeple where they wanted them to go (it worked). Bush said
"fuck you" to Americans and packed all of his
positions with "political hacks" even when it was
detrimental to America (FEMA, ATTORNEY GENERALS,etc...).
President Obama should have said "fuck you" to the
insane rethugs. Van Jones told the truth. He was passionate
about getting rid of petroleum (his downfall) and implementing
"green power." This would have been great for
America but terrible for the wealthiest corporations in the
world. President Obama, please quit trying to appease these
"money-changers", please do not become "one of
them", if it is not too late, already. Stand up for the
principles that got you elected. Van Jones was a perfect
example of those principles.

[jerryster]

131. Just checked out freerepublic.

Our freeper cousins are thanking God... and Glenn Beck. maybe they think Beck is God.

I hope that color for change continues its pressure on Beck's advertisers. What is it so far, 57 and counting? Of course Beck probably believes this will bring his advertisers back. he is clueless that it has anything to do with anything he might have said.

[pjt7]

133. Obama is a lot weaker than I thought he was

FDR & any other great American leader would never cave in, when they have the truth on their side.

I have been quite about the fraud of 9.11 for the last 6 months, this is going to make me speak out.

[ScottLand]

135. This really sucks.

I don't remember him making any derogatory statements about Republicans - he called them assholes, but aren't they proud of that?

[Vinca]

143. Somehow I missed this whole scandal. This is the guy who said

Republicans were assholes? Where's the lie?

[ScottLand]

193. That was just observation.

[JeanGrey]

136. He never should have been appointed in the first place.

I wondered what Obama could be thinking, knowing this is how it would end.

[Bluenorthwest]

161. Van is a great guy and perfect for the position he had

Now that he's gone, there is no reason at all for me to mitigate my criticisms of this administration as being religionist bigots who oppose equal rights for minorities they do not like because they think God told them they are better than others. These weak, disloyal bigots do not deserve even a slight benefit of the doubt anymore. They oppose equal rights for all people. They are against equality and in favor of discrimination. Understand that? .
He hires Blackwater. He fires Lt Choi. That is the definition of Barack Obama. No wonder a good man like Van wanted out of that corrupt place.

[JeanGrey]

261. He was a 9/11 TRUTHER and as such, was always the

wrong choice. Do you think this wasn't going to come about? Irregardless of how progressives feel about 9/11, the truth is the world does not and views people who do differently as fruitcakes.

[MaineMan2]

172. very true

Obama wasn't thinking clearly on that choice...but who will be next to fall?

[Name removed]

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[JeanGrey]

262. I was dismayed when he was appointed and knew this was

the inevitable outcome. Obama has got to start being more careful.

[The Backlash Cometh]

139. Democrats. They not only turn the other cheek, but they pummel themselves

to spare their opponents the pain.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

140. It looks as though the Democrats are trying to use the Muhammad Ali technique.

The rope-a-dope concept might have worked for him, but I'm starting to think that we're going to get knocked out before we start to fight back and throw punches of our own. Of course, even when the Democrats throw a good punch or two, they end up saying that they're sorry. Come on Dem. leaders, if the Reptiles want to make this a street fight, forget about being polite and go for the knock-out.

[jerryster]

145. Exactly right, Altoid.

The Repubs have already made this a street fight. What frustrates and infuriates me is that we have the majority and our so called leaders live in fear of using it. It drives me nuts.

[slackmaster]

166. I hope it's that and not the Monty Python Black Knight technique

[Altoid_Cyclist]

171. It's just a scratch.

Great movie.

[Frank Cannon]

194. Yeah, I used to think that Democrats were using the Rope-A-Dope technique

But now I think it's gone way beyond that to just the Dope technique.

[The Wizard]

210. Real rope a dope

would have been letting the fascists focus their energy on Jones while passing meaningful health care reform.
This victory allows the fascists to concentrate on defeating real health care reform. Every move the Administration makes to capitulate suggests weakness and continued minority rule. And they rule because they never show weakness. Democrats are far too concerned with the wrath of the Republican fringe than losing their base.
I got some news for the Democrats. The base is slipping away and just might send money to whoever runs against Baucus, Conrad, Landrieu, Liebermann and any other Senate turn coat. These Quislings must be purged from the party, even if it means supporting Republicans to get it done.
My message to the DSCC fund raising call yesterday was "Not one more dime until health care reform with a strong public option is passed."
Republicans are classic abusers. The more you give in the more they demand. The fact that Democrats can't enact their agenda with large majorities tells me elections don't matter.

[Bluenorthwest]

141. This shows us what sort of back up one gets from Obama-none

Van is far too good a man to be involved in White House crap, for the WH is corrupt to the core, and Mr Jones is an honest man. Rahm will be dancing now that they got rid of that freaky liberal, whose ethics are not a thing to be 'waived'.
I was thrilled to see Van get the gig, but frankly he is wasted there, co-opted by this right wing administration to serve as window dressing to make them seem 'moderate' or 'centrist' or anything but Conservative, which is what they are.
Van is not a bigot, so all that anti-minority crap around the Faith Based shit must have made him feel creepy.
He's well out of there.

[glitch]

254. Worse - it provides an example to any others in the administration who highly value truth.

If there are any.

Agreed Van Jones is well out of it. He should run for higher office. Dianne Feinstein's seat comes to mind.

[disndat]

295. Wow, what a great idea!

DiFi probably won't run again since she will be well over 80 into her next term, although we can't really count on that. The powerful Democratic 'mafia' in Calif will make her the 'Senator Byrd' of Calif. into her 100s. If that were to be the case, then Van Jones would be a shoo-in and the only one who could get send DiFi out of office. Maybe it will turn out to be a good thing after all. Glen Beck has made Van Jones into a powerful voice for the progressives.

[bemildred]

300. I'm in.

:thumbsup:

[mariawr]

144. New Mantra (bumpersticker)

Rabid Right Wingers are Assholes.

[GoCubsGo]

163. Not new here...

It's been a long time since I have been able to say the word "republican(s)" without prefacing it with "asshole."

[Cass]

146. Bush called NYT reporter Adam Clymer a "major league asshole"

and Dick Cheney told someone to go f**ck themselves on the floor of the Senate.

Sounds like a case of IOKIYAR syndrome...its ok if you're a republican.

So he said republicans were assholes and suggested a governmental role in the 9/11 attacks. I'd like to see excatly what he said about 9/11 before getting too riled up about it - lots of people talked about how we trained and supplied OBL years ago when he was waging jihad against Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Many on the right didn't like that; O'Reilly went ballistic when a guest who lost his father in the WTC mentioned that on his show. Similar reaction to Reverend Wright when he said the chickens had come home to roost regarding US mid-east policy.

Anyway, many of us have probably said things in the heat of the moment that could come back haunt us at some point if we pursued a public position. Its a shame he had to resign.

[glowing]

147. I sent an e-mail to the whitehouse and told them just how pathetic and spineless

and everything I am feeling at this moment. Perhaps I'll change my mind, but I even said please don't run in 4 yrs if this is the "change" you think this country needs.. still in war, healthcare that still sucks, and cowering to Faux noise (seriously, Glen Beck is crazy).

I hope everyone who feels like another knife is sticking out of their back lets the whitehouse know just how pathetic they are.

[nikto]

149. INOKIYAD

:puke: :mad: :puke:

[Vidar]

155. The administration contiues to bipartisan itself to death while the Republicans laugh.

[graywarrior]

156. For fuck's sake!

Why do we keep giving in to these ASSHOLES?

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[stlsaxman]

164. "Throw him to the lions!"

[Faygo Kid]

168. Who is next? Who does Glenn Beck go after next?

Don't kid yourselves that this is a one-time deal. They smell blood.

[suffragette]

249. Bullies don't stop until someone stands up to them

And the Republicans are the bullies at the schoolyard.

Give up lunch money today and they'll demand more tomorrow.
Try to talk reasonably and they'll curse and call you names.
Turn your back and they'll conk you on the back of the head.


The only way is to square your shoulders, stand up to them and then they'll back down like the cowards all bullies really are.

And it's past time that this is done.

[MaineMan2]

169. This is a good move

He was too much trouble, so it's a good move for everyone involved.

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[Doctor_J]

170. It's official - Glenn Beck is now King Of America

Not much to be done about it, except learn to enjoy it

[Bluenorthwest]

195. Or not

He thought he was the King of America
But it was just a boulevard of broken dreams
A trick they do with mirrors and with chemicals
The words of love in whispers
And the axe of love in screams

Elvis Costello

[life long demo]

174. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF WATCHING DEMOCRATIC PARTY

being "professional and gentlemanly" I just posted on another thread that I am sick of Democrats trying to stay above the fray. I've been a Democrat all my 66 years. We need street fighters. All those Democratic talking heads need to start fighting fire with fire. Stop being so "nice". The republican party has found that you can throw around lies and get away with it. Look what they did to John Kerry. Did any of those swift boaters pay a price in public for their lies, no, they won. And they continue to spread lies about Obama, and all democrats, and what do we do. Talk to each other about what idiots they are. Where are our street fighters?
:banghead: :spank:

[Paladin]

178. My Sentiments Exactly, LLD. Well Said. (n/t)

[Doctor_J]

190. We continually bash the Limbeciles as "keyboard warriors",

but alas, we are the weak losers who do nothing to wrest the US from the Hate Radio death grip. Not one hate radio host has been injured while turning the country into a fascist state. The most incendiary rhetoric one is likely to find on DU is "We need to write lots of letters to the editor". I bet Beck is really :scared:

Good Germans - that's us.

[KoKo]

217. Protesting against the Media wherever they have local affiliates in our States are the answer.

Writing letters to the cables protesting the shows just doesn't work.

[Doctor_J]

244. That doesn't do any good either

Sorry to say.

[jus_the_facts]

246. The ONLY way to protest is to NOT PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE AT ALL....

....THEY'LL ONLY PAY ATTENTION IF THEIR BOTTOM LINES ARE ZERO! TURN OFF THE IDIOT BOX FOREVER...STOP PAYING THEM. PERIOD.

[hileeopnyn8d]

222. I agree with you

and too often our loudest response is the one we level at each other. There's only two things you hear in the news - how the left is pissed/fighting Obama or how the right is pissed/fighting Obama. I rarely, if ever, hear about us fighting the right.

[Mithreal]

248. There is more incendiary rhetoric when people meet in person

and get to know one another well but even then there is reluctance to speak how one really feels. Are you suggesting that we use rhetoric to scare them straight? Stupid would just consider that fueling the fire. If any of us are willing to get arrested we should shut down the offices of representatives who no longer represent the majority of Americans. I am all for more aggressive peaceful actions, but there is only so far that reasonable Democrats should stick their necks out on the internet. No?

[Doctor_J]

253. General strikes, sit-ins, with millions occupying K streets offices and

insurance HQs. Of course you are right, right wingers are allowed to threaten the president's life and wave guns at reps' meetings, while Dems are likely to get arrested for wearing T-shirts that offend Bush. We just need to face that that is part of the equation and carry on. Too much keyboarding. Not enough civil disobedience.

[Mr. Sparkle]

238. +1

what makes it worse is the low lifes that got him fired. As far as i could tell, the only pressure was coming from the loony right.

[Mithreal]

245. Damn straight. The grass roots is full of them. nt

[izquierdista]

277. Dead

[RoccoR5955]

176. RAT BASS TURD RIGHT WINGERS!

Maybe it's time that we called them on their bovine fecal matter.

[Doctor_J]

192. Called them on it?

That is what Van Jones did. How did that work?

[katsy]

185. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

:thumbsdown:



They can't keep throwing our best & brightest under the bus to placate those who can't be placated.

[umaine79]

196. "No more Mr. Nice Guy, Mr. President. We need a fighter."

Quite a fight Obama put up on this one. Glen Beck should just call the White House next time and tell Obama what he wants done. Obama will do it and everyone will be saved embarrassment. Remember when Bush said he earned political capital and he was going to spend some. Obama should learn that one thing from Bush because it's "use it or loose it" time. Firing Jones didn't gain Obama any respect from the right it only lost him respect from his base.

[earthlite]

197. Jones should run for office

Many people share his views and he's very charismatic. A young and smart man like him would be a strong campaigner and an excellent senator.

[sandyj999]

198. When is Barack Obama going to take off the damn gloves and stand up for us? n/t

[TankLV]

199. Well - I like his "I'm sorry if you were offended" apology...!!!

Give it to the fucking CRIMINALS right back!!!

Funny, but we NEVER had an ivestigation of what ACTUALLY occured - under oath - run by DEMOCRATS - and that looked into BLAME and PUNISHMENT for what CRIMES were committed.

I sure hope people realize that we STILL haven't received the SECOND part of that weazily "investigation" (whitewas) that the REPUKES promised us at the time!!!

But Obama has to do what he has to do so this won't bog down his agenda of trying to fix what the REPUKES did to this country...

Glad to hear that at least ONE of his inner circle has his head screwed on right...too bad he will be gone now...

[mcollier]

201. TARGET!!!! Republican elected officials

We need to pressure democratic leadership to demand accountability from the ridiculous and dangerous statements coming out of the mouths of republican leaders in congress.

As far as Beck goes:


SEND YOUR GLENN BECK COMPLAINT TO FCC: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

-- Pass it on...

On Fox and Friends 7/28/2009 at approx. 3:07 PM EST, Fox host Glenn Beck accused President Obama of being "a racist."

The group was discussing the recent Gates controversy, and Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeadeon pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."


Dear Sir or madam,

I find the racial hate speech spewed out by Glenn Beck obscene and disgusting and I do not want my children subjected to it . I believe the FCC has a responsibility to hold cable news channels, which regularly host elected officals at the federal, state and local levels on their shows throughout the day, accountable for programming hate speech to viewers. I would ask that you stongly consider fining Fox News for this offensive broadcasts, as well as take Fox News off "must carry" for basic cable.

Thanks for your attention.

[umaine79]

206. Slippery Slope

Are you saying you are for Government censorship? What happens if a Republican regains the White House? Would you like to see Olbermann and MSNBC fined by a Republican controlled FCC? Dangerous territory.

[Joe Chi Minh]

204. Poor Van Jones. He was trying to prove that truth isn't always the first casualty of war. It

still is, of course, whatever the administration, under the far right-wing, as much as the extreme right wing. America's imperial, corporate cancer still riddles the body politic.

[fascisthunter]

208. I Think We can all Agree we are Sick of the Double Standards

[omega minimo]

213. Wouldn't want O Administration making derogatory comments about Republicans or BUSHCO crimes

:sarcasm:

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[BlancheSplanchnik]

214. Why does nothing ever happen to pukes who attack Dems?

when do we start saying to those scum licking, violence loving, rapture ready, scorched earth building, jeezus-fetishist, capitalist reactionary, Greedy Oligar_hist Pricks, "you whine for apologies? Fuck You! Take a practice what you preach pill."

Oligarchy -- a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

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[Raineyb]

223. Looks like Cenk called it. He didn't even give them two weeks to "resign" Jones.

This is more than a bit disturbing. It looks like the White House is willing to do a whole hell of a lot to placate those who will NEVER cooperate but anyone the media deems as left of center? (Much less those who are ACTUALLY left of center) Thrown under the bus forthwith.

And Jones was right Republicans are assholes.

[adamuu]

226. Are any of you LIHOPers? Did any of you sign that 2004 petition, too? n/t

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[harmonicon]

229. lame

ugh..... it kind of makes me too angry to say anything about.

[Javaman]

231. So since this deals with a 9/11 conspiracy issue, will this be sent to the Dungeon?

oh such hard decisions.

:rofl:

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[DWilliamsamh]

234. That's it ....until they prove otherwise...

This White House is run by cowards. And organizational culture is set at the top.

[Odin2005]

252. Obama's team should have vetted beter, made sure he wasn't a twoofer nut.

[marshall]

266. Why is being a "Truther" considered such a bad thing?

Anyone who knows how to use Google (and I assume the Whitehouse has several such folks) could find the connections between Jones and the so-called "Truther" movement. So what? Lots of respectable people (even some on the right) believe our government had some as yet hidden part in those buildings' collapse.

For Jones to skulk away in the middle of the night, there must have been something more. It doesn't make sense.

[JonQ]

267. Maybe when a republican retakes the whitehouse

it will happen eventually, and he appoints some birthers we can express our outrage when someone calls them nuts and calls for their removal?

Conspiracy theorists really shouldn't be appointed to high office.

[Ignis]

317. Have you actually READ the petition he signed? (nt)

[omega minimo]

256. .

[glitch]

257. Obama should refuse this resignation. Show some backbone! nt

[Generator]

259. Score one for Glenn Beck

So I knew nothing about Van Jones. Watched FOX news Sunday and here's what I learned-flat out as FACT per Chris Wallace-"Van Jones is a Communist."

Then I watched the debate about him signing a petition over 9/11 being investigated. A petition he signed in 2004-but never mind to ever ever dare question your government is treason-all on Fox NEWS sunday agreed.

They discussed nothing about comments he made about Republicons. The only thing that mattered was the real horror-daring to question your government-especially over it's crowing glory-9/11.

But I should have known-words are always what's bad in this society-letting people die or sending them to war-okay.

BAD WORDS-you gotta go!


Then I goggled Van Jones, and yep he is a Communist according to most links-zillions of right wing ones.

And he has been a pet project of Glenn Beck apparently.

Score another one for Glenn! He beats Obama!

[One of Many]

271. This was a retaliatory strike by Beck

From Wikipedia - "Following Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Jones and James Rucker co-founded a Web-based grassroots organization to address Black issues called Color of Change. Color of Change's mission as described on its web site is as follows: "ColorOfChange.org exists to strengthen Black America's political voice. Our goal is to empower our members—Black Americans and our allies—to make government more responsive to the concerns of Black Americans and to bring about positive political and social change for everyone."<1> Within two years of co-founding the organization, Jones moved on to other pursuits, but remains listed on the Color of Change website as "Former Staff".<1><21>"

[oct2010]

274. He certainly smells blood now

Glenn Beck’s Next Target: Cass Sunstein


http://washingtonindependent.com/57912/glenn-becks-next-target-cass-sunstein

probably nothing but baiting or trial baloon releases to see which way the wind blows next week

[humbled_opinion]

264. Depressing....

The truth is I am disappointed that our leadership did not do more to stick up for Mr. Van Jones. You would think that the country did not even vote for change in NOV08.

Whats next, will Obama remove the Public Option from his health Care Reform? and then what? Will he extend the Bush Tax cuts to the wealthy? Is obama morphing into a Conservative?

I am beginning to be afraid.

[Prometheus Bound]

265. "It'd be like the Bush White House having a former clansman or Holocaust denier in the West Wing."

- Dana Perino, President George W. Bush's press secretary

The Bush gang is getting pretty desperate.

Barack Obama aide resigns over claim that 9/11 was a pretext for war

"Curious how he made it that far into the administration when a google search could have told you he believed that the Bush Administration had allowed 9/11 to happen," Dana Perino, President George W. Bush's press secretary, told the Politico website.

"It'd be like the Bush White House having a former clansman or Holocaust denier in the West Wing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6147267/Barack-Obama-aide-resigns-over-claim-that-911-was-a-pretext-for-war.html

[IndianaGreen]

268. How many DUers have signed petitions since DU's inception?

Van Jones was the victim of McCarthyism!

[robcon]

272. It's awful that Beck has been empowered.

The RW crazies know that Beck has the juice to get someone fired.

[oct2010]

273. 16 deleted messages and two deleted sub threads in less then 260 replies.Truely it's a house divided

issue that should be locked. How many other czars could Glen Beck possibly be witch hunting next due to poor vetting standards?

[lpbk2713]

275. What's wrong with telling the truth about goppers?

Aside from hurting their little feelings that is.




WAAAH!! No fair!!

[CKennedy16]

276. Breaking news, Obama does to Van Jones what Dems did to Hillary

Wow, another good Dem thrown under the bus. Didn't see that coming. :sarcasm:

[timo]

280. i hear ya?

wonder if the bus at least uses bio fuels??

[SpartanDem]

278. This has nothing to do with the asshole comment it because he's a truther

[John Kerry VonErich]

279. This is a non violent version of Dr. Tiller

Of course the terrorists win.

[Arrowhead2k1]

283. Good grief. Obama needs to turn things around and fast.

Can't say I'm really impressed these days with how things are going. I just hope we're not witnessing a trend where this admistration simply loses battle after battle.

[Apollo11]

284. So it turns out that Glenn BecKKK is more powerful that our President ...

Who knew? :eyes:

[dothemath]

287. Ego ...............

Van Jones might have gotten away from having a republican 'lynch' mob come after him except for the 'straw that broke the camel's back' moment.

The coarse rhetoric included in the republicans' complaints were the remarks made by Jones characterizing republicans as 'assholes' (You Tube, anyone?).

Whatever happened to Jones, he brought it on himself. He was working for a man to whom such behavior is anathema. Jones couldn't control his ego enough to stick to his job and leave the macho jive talk out of the picture.

[irislake]

289. McCathyism is alive and well.

It thrives in the US. And why not? It works don't it?

[lynne]

290. It's only a smear campaign if the allegations are untrue -

- and that's not the case here. Anything he would have attempted to achieve would have been overshadowed by this mess which makes him ineffective and a liability. Better to cut losses right up front than to let this fester and become a reflection upon Obama and his administration.

[OneBlueSky]

291. sadly, I don't think that anyone's ever going to actually look at all the evidence . . .

and try to find out what really did happen on 9/11 . . . hell, it's been almost a half century since JFK was assassinated, and we still don't know the real story of what happened that day in Dallas . . .

that no one in Washington wants a new investigation of 9/11 tells me that there's some truth there that no one wants to come out . . . everyone knows that the Commission and its report were both bogus, and that mountains of evidence were ignored . . . makes one wonder why, and what they're hiding . . .

9/11 is a huge cloud that's hanging over America's psyche, but it looks like no one in power is going to demand that the real truth be sought and reported to the American people . . . sad commentary on where we are as a nation when a crime of such magnitude can be swept under the rug by the powers that be . . .

[ima_sinnic]

292. so it's President Beck now?

wake me up in 2012 when I can vote against this weak, wussy, ineffectual, GOP-butt-kissing administration.

[oct2010]

299. SO do you also believe in the "NWO" conspiracy ?

As well as "The Apollo missions were fake" ?
;)You can fool all of the people some of the time
and some of the people all of the time
but you gotta plan for Obama to remain for eight years or he'll follow in the footsteps of J.Carter.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c9a_1252334132

[SouthernDemInAtl]

304. Well, I am somewhat surpised.....

....he is gone. I don't agree with a lot of what he says or
believes in, but I thought he and Obama would have put up a
bigger fight.

[applegrove]

305. I hope he didn't resign because he called repukes ass*****. They are

and if they don't want to be called ass***** they should stop teaching a lack of empathy to their followers.

[Prophet 451]

306. BRING ME THE HEAD OF GLENN FUCKING BECK!

Yes, I'm being hyperbolic but no-one can tell me that this motherfucker isn't the main mover behind this "resignation".

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[Prophet 451]

311. Ad hominems up front?

First off, your diagnosis is woeful. A psychosis would indicate a psychological break from reality. While I am mentally ill and receiving treatment, I trust my doctor and psychiatrist rather more than I trust your ability to make a diagnosis on the basis of a single internet post. Having access to the DSM-IV doesn't mean you know how too use it.

Now, no doubt Jones made a bunch of stupid statements. However, while repeating those statements is fair game, the campaign of smear and innuendo Beck has directed at Jones is not. Prime example is the ten minutes or so he devoted a few days ago to "exposing communist propoganda" in New York architecture (90% of which he was flat wrong about), all leading up to the insinuation that because Jones had been honoured by an organisation that Rockerfeller (who, in Beck's alternate universe, was a commie), there must be some kind of sinister plot there. Bringing out straightforward accusations would give the accused the chance to defend himself but no-one can defend themselves against a cavalcade of innuendo, as the victims of the original McCarthy discovered. Beck also has an obvious ulterior motive in going after Jones: It is the group Jones founded (Color of Change) which has lead the ongoing boycott of Beck's advertisers, leading some 30+ (at last count) of them to pull their advertising from his show.

Why don't I devote my time to refuting Beck? For the same reason one does not throw the faeces back at the monkey.

[samsingh]

310. Democrats have to stop being so afraid of speaking about what's on

their minds.

repug leaders were calling us traitors and wimps after 911 and never resigned. why are we resigning for stating obvious questions?

[wordpix]

313. Message to Van Jones: I am VERY sorry you did not stay in the job

Now some pansy will be tapped who will bend the will of the corporatists. :puke:

[stenwin77]

321. He'll probably still be an advisor to Obama

just a "silent" one. Daschle still advises Obama on health care.

[and-justice-for-all]

322. Why would Jones allow Fox to push him out?

Beck is the one who made up all that shit about Jones, Beck as usual LIED and people caved..

Fuck faux noise and their fascist rhetoric.