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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:01 PM Original message |
Secrets of Alleged Oil Price Manipulation Exposed |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. The national and global oil markets are NOT free markets. nt |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. I knew it. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. First we have to elect politicians who will protect us rather than the corporations... |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. my dh just told me this morning that 80% of campaign contibutions |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. That's the second time I've seen the 'dh' abbreviation. |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. ... |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. for me it is delightful housemate, devoted helpmate, dear husband! in all seriousness... |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. I thought it was for "dumb housewaiff", but I guess that is being redundant. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. And corporate-press gets 80% of the Campaign Finance BRIBERY . . .!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Take back control over our natural resources -- alternative energy -- |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. irrelevant to the discussion |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Nationalizing oil is "irrelevant" . . . ???? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. I would judge that to be significant. nt |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. YES, WITHOUT PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. things that make you say, hmmmm.nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Absolutely . . . and citizens have to set the terms. . . how, when, where, how much . . . |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Can you imagine the faux |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Apparently you can forget that. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. That's exactly how it seems to me. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Remember when the South would "never change" . . .?? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Campaign Finance $$ is PRE-BRIBERY and PRE-OWNERSHIP . . . |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. It has become painfully obvious. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. The SCOTUS? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
60. Name five. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Let me guess - the "Free Marketers" will call these assholes "heros" |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. futures trading of oil should not be allowed unless you are part of the 'pipeline' so to speak |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It'd be interesting to see these guys take delivery of their orders at their CT mansions. |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. love to see it!!!nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. +1! nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. SSDD |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. What can Diebold learn from this? |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. If you can jump a queue it is not an orderly queue. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. They have both access and the fastest computers. |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Technically, what he means |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. That's it exactly, technically. Even in the case of messages being intercepted |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. While I understand your argument, they needed both to accomplish their goals. |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I don't want to get stuck on this point |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That was my point... ACCESS. They shouldn't have any better access than I do at home. n/t |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Location is one of the keys to "honestly" being at the front of the queue |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. The SEC has opened up an investigation... LOL |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Now now, |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Waterhazarding. Extraordinary Opera Rendition. |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. WASN'T BERNIE MADOFF THE HEAD OF THE S.E.C. ? |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Actually the NASDAQ |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. My GI's right again! |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. Hell they couldn't catch Maddoff, and their investigating these guys? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. Is this the "event" that will convince the indefatigably deluded to acknowledge that |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think it's safe to say we know who the real criminals in this country are. |
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Texasbacksass (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. Did anybody really think the schemers would stop after Madoff got his |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. Secret my ass. |
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edc (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
30. Oligarchs and |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
39. Republicans posing as blue dog Democrats have always claimed |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Y'all are crazy. It's because of peak blue-chips. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. Isn't Goldman Sachs a pioneer in "high frequency trading"? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. They front-load their electronic trades, from the accusations I've heard. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. "The Securities and Exchange Commission has opened up an investigation" |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Its still being manipulated, the administration has done nothing to quell it either. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Gas prices are up a lot again and recently I heard that when gas was at $4 |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
48. This barely qualifies as "news", a LOL gain of $1million, just clueless kids with big egos |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "propagation delays in delivering market data" |
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acsmith (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. it is nothing to do with trade ordering |
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acsmith (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. i think you are making it a little complicated... |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 04:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. No, it is more complicated -- beating other market makers |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
58. Some kind of small transaction tax would get rid of all this bullshit. |
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Elmore Furth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
64. Am I too cynical to suspect that most of these markets take suckers for a ride? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Not cynical enough. |
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