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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 12:50 AM
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Scores die' in Afghan explosion
Source: BBC

A large explosion has rocked an area of northern Afghanistan following a Nato airstrike on a stolen fuel tanker.

Afghan officials in the local area said some 90 people had been killed, but the numbers are not yet confirmed. Nato confirmed to the BBC that the explosion happened in Kunduz province on the main road to Baghlan.

The fuel tanker got stuck in the river. There were local civilians with them as well. The Taliban were bombed," he said. Seriously burned people are crowding a hospital in Kunduz, AFP reported.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8237287.stm



Just breaking on BBC...
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:03 AM
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1. Way to win hearts and minds.
We need to get the fuck out of there (and by "we", I mean Nato and the US).

This should never have been a war. It should have been treated like any other crime, perps investigated and prosecuted. What a clusterfuck!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:40 AM
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9. Looks straight out of the Nixon playbook: if you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will
follow. :P
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:51 AM
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2. the Bundeswehr ordered the strike
Edited on Fri Sep-04-09 02:59 AM by tocqueville
but it's probably not the Luftwaffe that implemented it.

Erfolgreicher Einsatz gegen Aufständische im Raum Kunduz

In der Nacht zum Freitag, den 4. September wurden durch Aufständische an einem vorgetäuschten Checkpoint, ungefähr sieben Kilometer süd-westlich des Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRT) Kunduz, gegen 1.50 Uhr Ortszeit, zwei beladene Tanklastzüge gekapert, um den Treibstoff für eigene Zwecke in den Distrikt Chahar Darah zu verbringen.

Dabei wurden sie aufgeklärt und um 2.30 Uhr Ortszeit erfolgreich bekämpft. 56 Aufständische wurden getötet, Zivilisten kamen vermutlich nicht zu Schaden. Deutsche Kräfte verzeichneten keine Schäden. Der Vorfall wird derzeit untersucht.

Ansprechpartner für die Presse: Einsatzführungskommando der Bundeswehr

http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ180QzU!?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27VK7HK919INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp


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One police official estimated at least 90 people were killed, and that 40 of them were civilians, including some who were receiving fuel being distributed by militants at the crossing. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of sensitivity over the issue of civilian deaths in the Afghan conflict.
Kunduz Gov. Mohammad Omar of Kunduz also reported 90 dead, but gave no breakdown.
NATO confirmed that there was an airstrike in Kunduz overnight but gave no details. A spokesman said the coalition was investigating the incident.
Omar said the dead included the Taliban commander for several Kunduz districts, Abdur Rahman, several other senior Taliban and four Chechen fighters.
"Abudur Rahman is a very dangerous man," the governor said. "I hope that the death of Abdur Rahman will have a positive effect on Kunduz city."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090904/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

Good to hear that the Germans are showing some spine in the end....



German soldiers engage Taliban in fiery battle

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090904-21697.html

At least 56 insurgents are dead after a firefight that led to two gas tank explosions in northern Afghanistan, the German military reported on Friday.
No German soldiers were injured in the fight, the Bundeswehr said
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:22 AM
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3. looks like a sting operation
any takers for the next tanker?

(that appears to be rather easy to steal)
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:31 AM
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4. the story of the civilians comes from the Taliban
A Taliban spokesman confirmed to the BBC that its fighters had stolen two Nato fuel tankers on Thursday night, which then got stuck, although he did not say how.

The Taliban decided to empty the tankers and local people arrived to take some of the fuel, he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8237287.stm

Bundeswehr says no civilian casualties reported so far.

http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bw...%2Fcontent.jsp

and :

nARD-Korrespondent Florian Meesmann sagte im ARD-Morgenmagazin
unter Berufung auf ISAF und die afghanische Polizei, zunächst seien Aufklärungskräfte des deutschen Feldlagers ausgerückt. Später sei dann der Befehl zum Luftangriff erfolgt.


Recce forces from PRT Kunduz were on spot after the trucks were hijacked. They discovered no civilians in the vicinity of the tanker. After that, the taliban were bombed.

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/afghanistan1202.html
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:31 AM
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5. AP: "killed up to 90 people, including 40 civilians"
NATO airstrike in Afghanistan kills up to 90

By DOUGLAS BIRCH, Associated Press Writer Douglas Birch, Associated Press Writer – 54 mins ago

KABUL – NATO launched an airstrike on two fuel tankers hijacked by Taliban militants in northern Afghanistan, sparking a huge blast that killed up to 90 people, including 40 civilians, Afghan officials said Friday.

Militants seized the two trucks, which were delivering fuel to NATO forces, around midnight near the village of Omar Khel in Kunduz province, and the alliance launched an airstrike when the Taliban fighters stopped the vehicles at a river crossing, Police Chief Gulam Mohyuddin said.

One police official estimated at least 90 people were killed, and that 40 of them were civilians, including some who were receiving fuel being distributed by militants at the crossing. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of sensitivity over the issue of civilian deaths in the Afghan conflict.

Kunduz Gov. Mohammad Omar of Kunduz also reported 90 dead, but gave no breakdown.

NATO confirmed that there was an airstrike in Kunduz overnight but gave no details. A spokesman said the coalition was investigating the incident. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090904/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:00 AM
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6. 40 civilians!
i've fucking had it with this bullshit war.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 06:53 AM
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7. YAY!
GOBAMA!


Are we "winning" yet?

How will we know?
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PeaceDreamer Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:17 AM
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8. Obama is making a mess of Afghanistan
If this continues Obama will certainly be a 1 term president.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 11:54 AM
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10. Spencer Ackerman: Counterinsurgency, Airstrikes and Incoherence in Afghanistan
Counterinsurgency, Airstrikes and Incoherence in Afghanistan
By Spencer Ackerman 9/4/09 9:17 AM


A huge airstrike in northern Afghanistan has left at least 80 dead, including some civilians. The strike hit fuel trucks taken by insurgents as civilians were extracting gasoline from their tankers.

The U.S. military command in Afghanistan, USFOR-A, tweeted five hours ago that the strike was against “a large number of insurgents,” with no mention of the civilian deaths. Around 7 a.m. eastern time, reporters in the U.S. got this statement from the conjoined NATO command, known as the International Security Assistance Force or ISAF, in their inboxes, pledging an investigation:

"ISAF is currently conducting a thorough investigation in close coordination with local and national Afghan government officials, following reports that civilians may have been killed or injured in an ISAF air strike earlier today in Kunduz Province. ISAF always takes reports of civilian casualties seriously and remains concerned with the welfare of Afghans.

" “ISAF targeted a large number of insurgents who had stolen two fuel trucks. While the air strike was clearly directed at the insurgents, ISAF will do whatever is necessary to help the community including medical assistance and evacuation as requested,” said Brigadier General Eric Tremblay, ISAF Spokesperson. “ISAF regrets any unnecessary loss of human life and is deeply concerned for the suffering that this action may have caused to our Afghan friends.”"

Yesterday, at a Pentagon press conference, Defense Secretary Bob Gates said that he took “seriously” the idea that the “behavior” of U.S. troops in Afghanistan was to some degree more important than the simple size of the troop component. He said this as a way of backing slightly away from a previous worry that an overly large troop presence would inflame Afghan public opinion, which Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, has called “strategically decisive.” Similarly, Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, reiterated at the same news conference that the purpose of any prospective increase in U.S. troops will be to “protect the Afghan people.” The war in Kunduz Province is under the operational control of Germany, but since McChrystal is said to be seeking greater consolidation and integration of the somewhat disparate NATO regional commands, the contradiction still applies.

McChrystal has already restricted airstrikes in Afghanistan. This one still happened. And it caused a civilian death count that, if history is any guide, will be revised upward. After each of these airstrikes, there are lots of promises to fix what went wrong, and still this one happened. Any military commander will say that he or she can’t completely rule out the tool of airstrikes. But if avoiding civilian casualties and protecting the population from violence really is the preeminent goal of the Afghanistan war, and if McChrystal believes that Afghan sentiment really is strategically decisive, then as absurd as it may seem, the logic of counterinsurgency really does point to ruling them out. There is no reset button to be hit on an eight-year war. The legacy of years of U.S. and NATO airstrikes and the civilian casualties they have caused hovers like a shadow over today’s Kunduz attack.

<more>

http://washingtonindependent.com/57808/counterinsurgency-airstrikes-and-incoherence-in-afghanistan
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:31 PM
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11. Another day, more grotesque NATO-Occupation terrorism!
Edited on Fri Sep-04-09 09:38 PM by Alamuti Lotus
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