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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:06 PM
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Kerry leads Bush in Florida
John Kerry and George W. Bush are tied among likely voters in Florida according to a survey by the American Research Group. A total of 45% of likely voters say they would vote for Kerry if the presidential election were being held today and 44% say they would vote for Bush. A total of 4% of likely voters say they would vote for Ralph Nader and 7% of likely voters are undecided.

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/fl/
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:07 PM
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1. Wow, but that needs to get to 60/40 for Kerry to carry the state.
There comes a point that fraud won't help them.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:09 PM
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2. Wow...that's a good sign...
The way I see it, Kerry could pick up OH, NH, and FL...Game set match...
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:21 PM
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3. Bleah
Bush need not worry about Florida.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:26 PM
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4. Touchscreens will win this for Jeb's Bro nt
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:33 PM
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5. How do we get Ralph out of this race?
He's already making this too close, in Florida as well as nationwide.
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brads Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:15 PM
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6. Kerry needs to uphold progressive issues
If Kerry upholds progressive issues like real health care reform (i.e. some form of national health care), and if he really challenges Bush on things like Iraq (and now Haiti and the million other censurable and impeachable offenses piling up), then I doubt Nader stays in til November. But if Kerry listens to advisors who tell him to move right to appeal to some illusory 'middle', then Nader will likely stay in and Kerry could lose votes on the left. I hope Kerry does the right thing...
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:26 PM
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8. Bullshit
If Kerry attempts to coopt Nader's radical agenda, he'll lose far more moderate and independent votes than he could ever hope to gain from the left fringe. When will the Nader apologists finally acknowledge that they aren't part of the political mainstream?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:44 PM
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12. He doesn't need to co-opt any "radical" agenda - just the progressive
items the majority of American are shown to consistently support.

Iraq, Haiti, etc. - are issues that Americans support - that is, the fact that bunkerboy lied, they were all illegal actions of an out-of-contro cowboy.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:51 PM
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13. Again, bullshit
What about the majority of Americans that supports the death penalty? The majoriy of Americans who oppose gay marriage? The majority of Americans who STILL say that we made the right decision in going to war with Iraq (http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm)?

Sorry, but the DU population is not in any way representative of America as a whole, not to mention the Democratic Party. If it were, Dennis Kucinich would be taking his victory lap right now, not John Kerry.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:24 PM
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16. They don't need to make any such acknowledgement
You're the one who wants Kerry to have those votes. If that's the case, you have the option of either catering to those "Naderites" or ignoring them and not getting their votes.

You ask when Nader apologists will finally acknowledge that they aren't part of the political mainstream. I don't think any of them believe they are a part of the political mainstream. That's your own misconception. But if you want their votes, you'll need to do something other than complaining about these people.

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Now, let me step outside of that stance, because I don't think the 5% number is true. I don't think Nader will be on the ballot in many states, and I don't think he'll pull many votes.

But I was responding to what I consider to be a hypothetical. The point stands that IF the Nader voters truly wielded power, you'd need to either accomodate them in some way or forget about the votes, but the third option of just complaining about them accomplishes nothing for you.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:06 PM
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21. I agree
Kerry should cow-tow to Nader at all. It would be politically disastrous.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:24 PM
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7. WTF? Ralph getting more than last time?
I don't believe it!
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progressiverealist Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:29 PM
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9. Ralph "the arrogant dipshit" Nader... tool of the G.O.P.
Ralphie boy is no more than a tool of the Republicans. This will forever be his legacy.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:34 PM
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10. "Too close to call"...
...is "close enough to steal".
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:42 PM
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11. That's great but I think... Ohio,Ohio, Ohio... this year
If Kerry can take Ohio then he should have the rest of the Midwest and NE locked. FLA is nice but if we can focus and win states like OH, WV, MO then we win easily.

Will Kerry focus in the Rustbelt, FLA or the SouthWest. I think his VP selection will be the tell all.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:01 PM
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14. Nader stool of the GPO...that's correct...
Where's Jeffrey Domer when needed. He can lick Nader's chops.
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CarlWoodward Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:06 PM
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15. The Bush steal machine
I was living in Florida (Palm Beach County, no less) in 2000 and saw the Bush machine steal that election firsthand. It was ugly, and I have no doubt that if it's close, it's going to happen again.

Kerry has to do more than just win the state. He needs a decent margin, unfortunately, or the Bush thugs will come in and muscle the counties into calling the votes for the Repubs like they did four years ago.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:44 PM
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22. Hi CarlWoodward!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:31 PM
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17. 45% to 44% is not a lead.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:42 PM
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18. This is what I learned in the 3rd grade 45>44
nt
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:47 PM
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19. I have republican friends here in Florida who are committed to
Kerry.
These are angry angry life long republicans.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:00 PM
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20. It's within the margin of error
but it is a lead, albeit of the slimmest sort.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:36 PM
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23. I'm sure Diebold, the corrupt governor and his corrupt elections
supervisor will take care of that little problem. Have the 50000+ people that were thrown off the voter roles by the evil Harris been re-instated as voters?
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