Officials See Rise In Militia Groups Across US

[Purveyor]

Source: Associated Press

(08-11) 21:09 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.



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[nadinbrzezinski]

1. And the sun rises in the East...

didn't many of us PREDICT this?

[villager]

2. well, you know, we don't want to upset these nice people by not being *bipartisan!*

n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Let's sing kumbaya

:-)

[robinlynne]

5. yeah....

[8 track mind]

4. Not surprising, judging by the activity of the kooks on the shortwave bands

it's starting to get crazy

[mwb970]

28. What is the frequency, Kenneth?

I have an HF general-coverage receiver. Where do I tune to hear the kooks?

[8 track mind]

38. ok,

9.980 mhz - this is Pastor Peter J. Peters in LaPortte, Co. This is a white separatist church. this is by far the scariest of the bunch and unfortunately he is on 24 hours of the day with a 2 megawatt transmitter. I know they do a frequency change around 7pm CST.

anything that WWCR carries is going to be pretty whack. their transmitter schedule can be found here: http://www.wwcr.com/transmitter-sched.html

I'm at work right now so once i get home i can give you more information.

[mwb970]

42. Interesting. I'll check it out.

BTW, who besides Radio Shack gearheads listens to shortwave anyway? Wingnuts?

I remember a bunch of weird broadcasters in the 7.4 to 7.5 MHz frequency range some years ago. And are the scofflaws still talking to each other with unlicensed high-power SSB rigs above the CB band, just under 28 MHz?

[louis-t]

44. Oh, they can do that cuz they're "sovereign".

"I am sovereign, my house is sovereign, my car is sovereign..." :eyes:

[sui generis]

47. well sovereign or not I have a feeling that in a knock down

drag out between a militia group and the government they wouldn't be averse to taking other people's sovereign lives, houses, and vehicles.

Stupid little people playing at war because the bigger the enemy the more meaning their pathetic sovereign lives have. They can't BE themselves. They define themselves as AGAINST this or that, they are defined by what they are not, and ironically that is not real identity.

Pretty lame - I have not ever once in my life seen or heard of a militia that was NOT crackpot boopdeeboop nuts.

[louis-t]

49. I could never have said it as well as you

just did. Ha, he said "poopdeeboop".

[8 track mind]

52. huh huh huh huh yeah huh huh huh

I miss Bevis and Butthead

[8 track mind]

51. you know

I haven't heard them in a long long time on the upper part of 27 Mhz. I think it's because of the sun spot cycle because 10 meter amateur has been pretty dead for a while, with exception of greyline skip in the early morning, early dusk.

The true Pirate operators on shortwave hang out anywhere from 6.995 all the way down to 6.800. These guys put on some TRULY funny stuff and killer music.

WBCQ, The Planet, hangs out on 7.415 and 5.110. This station is out of Monticello, Maine and it's run by Alan Wiener, a radio pirate from long ago. He does sell airtime to a few of the religious crazies, but he puts on some great programming during the weekends.


If memory serves me correct TBN and Focus on the Family used to hang out in the middle of the 7mhz band years ago. My amateur transmitter in my van also serves as a dandy Shortwave rig and i usually tune into the Voice of America, or Radio Australia for the drive into work. You can get some decent news that way.

[kentauros]

53. As I am only familiar with the FCC laws governing transmitter power

for FM (thanks to volunteering at a Pacifica station for years) how is it that a shortwave station can have a broadcast power of two megawatts?! I understand there are likely different standards between the two spectrums of radio broadcast, but I had always thought that 100,000 watts was the upper limit for all radio stations, no matter what spectrum they broadcast in.

Oh, and I'd love to have a shortwave receiver again. I love finding pirate stations. I'd also love to hear some of the "culture jamming" The Weatherman of negativland does :D

[Libertas1776]

6. You mean the rise of

organizations like "Eagle of Christ" that turn two harmless members of the Happy Smile Patrol, Teddy Tickles and Harry Hugs

...............


into armed right wing militiamen hiding in the Black Hills, using bear traps and brush fires to hold off police and the National Guard.



Just a good old SNL spoof from the 90s
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=50764851
Apparently history likes to repeat itself.

[Xzanther]

7. Only 60,000?

There are videos that go viral and are viewed Millions of times in just days.. I'm guessing no one really cares about these dumb rednecks.

[Libertas1776]

8. I know.

60,000? There are probably vids on youtube of guys (literally) screwing the pooch (I actually don't really know about that, and god I really hope not, but then again it is youtube :puke:) and other sick, mindless drivel that gets a million hits, like you said, in days. I'd take their 60,000 hits with half a grain of salt.

[caseymoz]

50. I've seen some neo-Nazi vids with over 2 million views. The militias are the "moderates."

For a single militia, 60,000 seems like a lot to me. However the main reason why we're seeing unrest is because the radicals don't have the numbers. The interests coordinating them know they don't have the votes, so they are going for bullying, lying and intimidation.

But it has to bother them to know they don't have the votes.

[Heidi]

9. Recommended. (nt)

[earcandle]

10. Think paradox... need to know, need to not fan the fire.

[caseymoz]

11. Remember this report and how Repubs and media hosts went ape-shit over it?

"Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment"

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

It isn't funny, but I am thinking that the only terrorism we'll see in the next eight years will be from domestic right wingers.

It is funny how quiet these groups get with a white Republican in the White House, no matter how much he screws over liberties or fucks up.

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[Mari333]

37. pizza pizza

[cornermouse]

12. Anarchists.

Might as well call them what they are. We just spent the last 8 years with their wealthy counterparts in the White House.

[formercia]

18. Anarchists are loners

They don't believe in groups.

Groups can be infiltrated and probably are.

Groups that call themselves anarchist are just posers or punks.

[pokercat999]

23. I remember a cartoon several years ago showing a group of

figures wearing pointed hoods and robes standing around a burning cross with drawn guns. The caption read "you mean we're ALL FBI Agents?"

[formercia]

27. I got to watch a Klan rally once

What the organizer didn't know was that his next door neighbor was the head of the counter-terrorism unit at DOJ. He was a friend of several years, so I got an invite to watch, along with a bunch of FBI, State Police and other agencies.
They put on a good show for us, including armed mock charges, cross burning and other antics.

The only casualties was when a tree house, holding a bunch of FBI, collapsed. Nothing serious.

[unpossibles]

45. Welcome to the People Who Hate People Party

We have not had any meetings yet.

[krabigirl]

58. these are not anarchists...

[cornermouse]

60. They most certainly are.

[and-justice-for-all]

13. I hear Somalia is look for a few new men...nt

[jasi2006]

14. Hope they stay put. Let them go crazy and kill themselves.

Most of these people are totally useless to society...never a constructive idea. They just go crazy with their poor-ass selves thinking that someone else might be helped. They are some of the most selfish, hateful folks in the world and quite a few of them just arrived on a boat themselves over the past 20 years...coming from white supremiscist nations that not long ago most white Americans decried. Racism, ignorance, and hate is a lethal combination that usually destroys the hater. These people can't even sleep at night since Obama won the Presidency.

[cornermouse]

16. I'm going to disagree.

Color may very well be part of it, but I think it's more a result of Gingrich's contract on America, manipulation to make the GOP answerable to no one, and the talking head's hatred of democrats.

Clinton was white. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps which is what they always say is their ideal and yet at that time they hated him more than anyone else I had ever seen up to that time.

On reading again, you sort of went a little overboard yourself, didn't you?

[Cass]

21. I have to agree with you. This is not all attributable to racism, although it is

certainly a part of it. These people just can't handle it when a democrat gets into the White House. As you point out, the Clinton years are a good example of this.

[EFerrari]

56. These people are white supremacists --> white separatists. n/t

[cornermouse]

61. Maybe.

But I think hatred of democrats of any or all color trumps color alone for them.

[lunatica]

33. White supremacists from all over the world?

Who are you talking about?

[Solly Mack]

15. K&R

It's getting worse

[Chef Eric]

17. Once again, AP shows itself to be a disgrace.

A liberal administration led by a "black president" is NOT among the causes for the rise in militia activity. It is hatred toward liberalism and black people that is among the causes.

Is this just your typical, everyday AP carelessness? I suspect it is an example of something worse.

[Amos Moses]

19. +1 For eight years, the US government was just great.

They were especially fond of their President. He was probably the worst we've ever had but he was white, stupid, and he had an R at the end of his name. That made him a Patriot. Isn't it ironic that they pretend that they're being persecuted by Homeland Security? Those stupid fucks condoned the creation of it! Now all of a sudden, the entire government is evil and needs to be overthrown.

It shows just how far out onto the right wing fringe US politics has gone when they become this hysterical just because the other party is in power. Sure, the fact that the President is black is a big part of it but we'd still be seeing a lot of this carrying on if he was white.

They don't think anyone to the left of Dick Cheney should be able to make any decisions in our government.

[WriteDown]

20. These are the only people who should be able to own firearms....

People should love this! :)

[DallasNE]

22. Loaded Gun Toting Protester At Obama Town Hall

Was a self-proclaimed Ron Paul supporter. Of course the gun was unregistered.

These nuts only agree with Paul or 2 or 3 primary issues. I suspect that Ron Paul would denounce people like this because there is little doubt but what racism is a driving force for them. In fact, Paul is strangely silent when he needs to be speaking up or does he want such trash inside his tent?

[Nevernose]

31. It wasn't the gun that I found scary

It was the combination of the gun and the sign referring to spilling the blood of tyrants.

[DallasNE]

32. My Bad

On the Ron Paul supporter having the unregistered gun. His gun was registered but there was a second gun toting dude and he was arrested for having an unregistered gun. There was also the Town Hall down south where a protester left his gun behind at the meeting.

[KakistocracyHater]

54. true enough, I was wrong about him, though I am against Republican

spending practices, & he pretended to be against it. Where are his Quiverfull kids, though? If he is that wacky anti-birth control? & yes, his silence on that ignorant blood donor is deafening:evilgrin:

[pokercat999]

24. Militia and white-supremist hate groups can be described in

one word......REBUPLICANS.

[Crowman1979]

25. It's Deja-vu all over again!

The last time this crap happened was when all of the Waco BS was happening.

[Vidar]

26. Time for more harsh language, Mr. Obama?

[Odin2005]

29. The crazies are coming out.

[Raschel]

41. Over at FreeRepugnant they are endorsing militias. FR, the home of birthers/bigots.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2314142/posts

[saigon68]

62. SORRY I CLICKED YOUR LINK

Then I found this about Ted Kennedy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2314553/posts

Post 7

To: Jean S

Obama has managed to taint even the country’s highest civilian award with murdering drunks, queers and who knows who else.

7 posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:53:58 PM by thethirddegree
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[slackmaster]

30. SPLC = "Officials"?

SPLC is a privately funded, privately run organization that does good work, but they don't qualify as officials.

K&U for piss-poor writing by the San Francisco Chronicle.

:kick:

official
2 entries found.

1official (noun)
2official (adjective)


Main Entry: 1of·fi·cial
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈfi-shəl also ō-\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : one who holds or is invested with an office : officer <government officials>
2 : one who administers the rules of a game or sport especially as a referee or umpire

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/official

[redqueen]

36. FAIL

There are more than just two meanings for that word.

[slackmaster]

40. Welcome to another version of Andy Warhol's future

Everyone gets to be called an official, but only for 15 minutes.

[EFerrari]

57. Officials refers to increasing police contact, not to the SLPC.

"Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report."

And, btw, this is an AP story, not a Chron story.

[lib2DaBone]

34. Yes..where were these "Patriots" when Bush was shredding the Constitution?

Homeland Security, the TSA Goon Squad, Blackwater, Patriot Act I and II, Military Commissions, Domestic spying, torture, free speech zones, $500 Million for an "Embassy" in Iraq.

They were fine and OK with all this.. now they complain? WTF?


Memo to Pres Obama:

You can't play nice with these people, so quit trying. The Reich Wingers are basically Psychopaths with a death wish.

[The Stranger]

39. Paging Timothy McVeigh . . .

[saigon68]

63. Tim's not home right now

Can I take a Message?

[Richd506]

43. These people have wet dreams about starting a revolution

[krabigirl]

59. LOL. these people are so out-of-shape and mentally lost...some revolution that would be.

Hard to do that from momma's basement.

That being said, I kinda want to leave the US..these nuts are making me ashamed, really....

[Ozymanithrax]

46. Same thing happened under Clinton...

A Democrat gets elected, even if the Democrat is a classic conservative like Bill Clinton, and they get their guns and prepare to fight the next Revolutionary War.

But the Rhetoric is much louder this time. Where you have a lot of revolutionary smoke there will always be a couple of fires willing to kill people for their beliefs.

The Republican/Conservative movement has been taken over by the John Birch Society.

[balantz]

48. Watch out, your friendly socialist strikes and civil disobedience movements

will be lumped in with these splinter hate groups and shut down by the government riot forces.

[Wednesdays]

55. K&R

:kick: