Police: Man arrested before Obama event had loaded gun

[sabra]

Source: sea coastonline

PORTSMOUTH — Police said a man arrested at the scene of President Barack Obama's visit to the city Tuesday was found to be in possession of an unlicensed loaded gun.

Richard Terry Young, 62, of 821 Ocean Blvd. in Hampton, was arrested around 9:40 a.m., hours before Obama's arrival, and charged with the misdemeanor crimes of criminal trespass and carrying a loaded pistol without a license.

Young was found inside Portsmouth High School, where Obama later in the day held his town hall-style forum. Young was detained by the Secret Service and subsequently arrested by Portsmouth Lt. Corey MacDonald. Young was carrying a pocket knife, police said. A subsequent search of his vehicle, parked on school property, revealed a loaded hand gun, police said.

Police said Young is being investigated by the Secret Service for possible federal crimes resulting from the same series of events.

Bail was not immediately set, and Young was in the custody of Portsmouth police on Tuesday night.

Read more: http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090811-NEWS-908119961

[Cha]

1. What was on his fucking

mind?

[MadMaddie]

3. Glen Beck, Oreilly, RushPig, Coulter......

the same fodder that ignited previous criminals.

[Cha]

5. Ah yes, the sneaky activities of the

great mass of brainwashed idiots in America.

[LynneSin]

17. "A black man is president and that's just not right"

I wish these redneck racists would just tell it like it is instead of hiding behind these fake issues.

[newtothegame]

32. I kind of wish we wouldn't use the racism excuse. I realize that by crying racism...

we then don't have to debate them. But it won't help us get to the bottom of the issue or get ride of them.

[No Elephants]

51. "Racism excuse?" "Crying racism?" That won't help us get to the bottom of the issue?

First, racism is part of the Republican strategy against Democrats and has been for decades. Second, racism is very real today and Obama is a cynosure for the current crop of racists.

This is not about people not wanting to be able to afford the pediatrician. It is not about the budget deficit, which seemed to bother only Democrats until Bush left office. It is not about the trillions Bush spent on wars and on fighting terra. It is not about Bush's bailout. It is not about thirty years of Republicans and triangulating Democrats that left the country in desperate need of an immediate stimulus.

If this were about any of those things, people would be putting the blame where it belongs, not on Democrats and on their African American President. And Glen Beck would not be bloviating about how a man abandoned by his ne'er do well African father and raised by his white mom and white grandparents hates white people.

If you ever do get to the bottom of the issue, you will find racism there. And divisiveness and partisanship. That's all that's there.

[goclark]

63. Thank you for saying this ~ many Presidents have not been African American

and they have had many probems in this area.

It's not about him being Black that is not an excuse -- Reagan wasn't Black,Gerald Ford wasn't Black and so on.

It is the lack of power and the insane having feelings of no power at all.

What they don't understand is -- they would never get power because they don't have the connections and wealth.

[No Elephants]

52. I can sort of agree.

A minority woman being President would have been better, but none ran this time.

[tekisui]

2. ugh.

They sicken me.

[fishnfla]

4. someone brought this point up in another thread

these people are hoping to become "Obama's coming after gunowners" martyrs

[customerserviceguy]

6. OK, if he really wanted to kill someone

why did he leave the weapon in the car? And a pocketknife? That's part of the ordinary pocket contents of many people in our country. I'm sure hundreds a day get tossed into the trash at airport checkpoints by people who just forgot they were carrying them.

[MUAD_DIB]

8. I would imagine that the idiot left the gun in the truck

so as to come back for it later.

Perhaps he felt he would be admitted in a second time without being searched.

[ManiacJoe]

12. Or,

he new it was illegal to take it into the school and forgot that the parking lot counted as part of the school.

[MUAD_DIB]

14. Perhaps, perhaps not.

[krispos42]

20. It's illegal to have a loaded gun in your car without a permit.

And it's likely a double-whammy that the car was on school grounds.

Oopsie!

[One_Life_To_Give]

25. But is it uncommon in rural america?

I am suspicious of this guys motives with his being in the school. But as you get into more rural area's I suspect you will find this is not exactly uncommon.

[customerserviceguy]

28. Exactly

Maybe he took too seriously that phrase on his license plate, "Live Free or Die". In many areas of the country, it's perfectly legal to have a loaded weapon in your vehicle. People drive a lot more politely in those places, too!

[No Elephants]

53. Let's assume you're correct. Unlicensed, loaded, unattended guns on school property are

common. And?

[formercia]

23. Or he had one allready stashed inside the school...

IMHO

[No Elephants]

58. He knew having a loaded gun in a school was illegal, but he did not know that having

a loaded gun in a vehicle without a permit is illegal? This guy is either ineligible for a permit or he does not give a rat's tail about gun laws.

[endarkenment]

26. So he should not have been arrested for violating NH gun laws?

What exactly is your point?

[customerserviceguy]

29. No, that wasn't my point

If he violated NH gun laws, then he needs to be charged accordingly. But the calculation that gun owner=racist murderer is the automatic conclusion that many here seem to jump to, and that's not necessarily the case here.

[No Elephants]

54. That was not the calculation, though. A lawful gun owner who secures his

guns and ammunition when they are unattended is one thing. A guy with no permit who brings a loaded gun to a Presidential town hall on school property is another thing entirely. Now, it still may be an unfair leap from that to racism, but let's not pretend this is about a lawful gun owner behaving reasonably. That is very unfair to lawful, careful gun owners.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

33. doing reconnaisance the first time.

an NRA conservative I know likes to use this word... it appeals to that mindset I guess.

(ftr, I like her, she's funny and nice, as long as we stay away from politics.)

[No Elephants]

56. Two possibilities. This guy was too stupid to live (my father's expression) or you're right.

He may have come in to see if he had any shot at coming back in with the gun without getting caught. Even that does not explain why the gun was loaded, though.

[No Elephants]

57. Dup. Sorry.

[ohio2007]

7. Chris Mathews grills a gun carrying New Hampshire Town Hall protester in this hardball video

Is he a Squeeky From of a John Willkes Boothe ?

http://www.youtube.com/v/AYUmCj4yud4&hl=en&fs=1
Maybe a Squeeky Boothe ?

[Control-Z]

9. Wow.

Unbelievable. I don't know how Mathews managed to remain as calm as he did. I could not have.

[MUAD_DIB]

10. Mathews: Okay what rights do you believe are being taken away.

Idiot: bla, bla, bla...


Mathews: Why did you bring a gun to presidential event today!!?

Idiot: More bla, bla, bla...


Mathews: Clearly pissed off.


Idiot: Clearly a fucking moron.

Idiot: Massachusetts health care scheme, bla, bla, bla...

[wordpix]

40. gun-carrying moran was clearly unable to give any good reasons for open carry of loaded gun

at pres. event. :grr:

[ManiacJoe]

44. Just as examples,

what would you consider to be good reasons?

[JenniferJuniper]

15. Sic temper helter skelter!

[dogfacedboy]

22. Everytime I hear a guy like the one in the video speak,

they always seem like someone who just does not fit in well with society in general.
There is always something very odd about them. Sort of a strange loner vibe.

For example, he mentioned that he voted for Ron Paul in the Presidential election. Every single individual I have spoken to who voted for Paul has given me the same oddball vibe, whether guns entered into the conversation, or not. There is something not quite right about these people.

Just my opinion.

[No Elephants]

60. Thing is, Ron Paul gives off that same oddball vibe. Yet, he got elected.

To be fair, both sides manage to elect nutters.

[KakistocracyHater]

65. I'm an oddball, & those with Autism are often felt to be misfits, not

quite average vibe. Same with geniuses & pioneers, like Tesla, Einstein, Sanger, B Anthony, etc.

[wordpix]

37. guy is allowed to walk around a crowd, any crowd, with a loaded gun?

Waht kind of country have we come to?

[ManiacJoe]

43. Perfectly legal is almost every state.

What problems are you seeing.

[dogfacedboy]

46. My State, Illinois, still does not allow it. It will stay that way, too. n/t

[Justitia]

49. Very much NOT LEGAL here in TEXAS of all places. Illegal to even show the outline of a weapon.

My state gets a shitload of well-deserved grief, but they got it right on this one.

It is expressly stated that openly carrying a firearm is a method of intimidation, meant to cause alarm, and is ILLEGAL.

That's right, Texas.

[No Elephants]

59. Not in the State of NH though. And he had no permit. And it was a school parking lot. And it was

a Presidential event. Why are NOT seeing a problem?

[ManiacJoe]

62. In that particular case, yes it is a problem.

However, that is not the question asked back in post #37.

[midnight]

11. In Wisconsin our Attorney General has incouraged the citizens

in this state to exercise their right to carry a loaded gun.

Milwaukee's police chief said he'll go on telling his officers to take down anyone with a firearm despite Van Hollen's finding that people can carry guns openly if they do it peacefully.

Chief Ed Flynn said officers can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years.

He said that means officers seeing anybody carrying a gun will put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide if the person has a right to carry it. ...http://artfularticulations.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-on-open-carry-in-wisconsin.html

[Mojorabbit]

31. I don't like giv ing the police

the latitude to decide to not follow the law and the ability to take down citizens because they think it is the thing to do. Just my own opinion.

[brendan120678]

42. More proof that cops like to abuse authority. (nt)

[No Elephants]

61. How would you determine if an armed person has a right to be armed?

Or, are you implying gun laws should not be enforced? Cause usually, the riff from extremist gun enthusiasts on message boards is "Enforce the laws that are on the books now before you enact any new ones."

To enforce the laws that are on the books now, you need to find out if an armed person has a right to be armed. Which brings me back to my original question. How would you determine, safely and beyond any doubt, if an armed person has a right to be armed?

[Wednesdays]

13. K&R

:kick:

[Caspian11]

16. NH gun laws....

I can't speak to what he did or didn't plan to do, but there's no such thing as an "unregistered gun" in NH.
There's no gun registration in NH, open carry is legal, and concealed carry requires a permit (as long as you meet minimum Federal requirements i.e no felony convictions, among others). I don't know what they'd charge him with, though bringing a gun to this event could be considered unwise, but there's got to be more to the story than some guy having a gun in his car. Carrying a gun here is alot more common here than you'd think. NH rated safest state in the country in 2008, there's a reason for it.

[LynneSin]

18. well there's a couple of flaws there

Did he have the permit required to carry a concealed weapon?

Was he even from New Hampshire - it's a small state and these idiots are being shipped in from all over.

And there is alot more that goes into crime rate then a bunch of small dicks thinking they're big shit carrying a gun around.

[endarkenment]

27. 159:4 Carrying without a license

9:4 Carrying Without License. – No person shall carry a loaded pistol or revolver in any vehicle or concealed upon his person, except in his dwelling, house or place of business, without a valid licensetherefor as hereinafter provided. A loaded pistol or revolver shall include any pistol or revolver with a magazine, cylinder, chamber or clip in which there are loaded cartridges. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall, for the first such offense, be guilty of a misdemeanor. For the second and for each subsequent violation of the provisions of this section, such person shall be guilty of a class B felony, provided such second or subsequent violation has occurred within 7 years of the previous conviction.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XII/159/159-4.htm

[No Elephants]

55. Poorly worded law. Why should you be able to carry or own any pistol or revolver,

loaded or unloaded, concealed or in plain sight, without a permit? According to this law, you can carry a loaded gun for which you have no permit, into a school or a court or a hospital, etc. as long as the gun is in plain sight. Bizarre.

[whopis01]

36. The article is poorly worded. It was the fact that HE wasn't licensed, not the gun.

They did use the term "unlicensed gun", not "unregistered gun" - but what they should have said is that he was not licensed to carry a loaded weapon in his car.

Also, it was on school grounds and you can't bring a gun within 1000ft of school property unless it is unloaded and locked up.

So he was violating at least a couple of New Hampshire's gun laws.

[wordpix]

38. NH has a relatively small population, could have something to do with safe state status

[GenCobra]

19. secret service rocks

Secret service rocks.

[Hekate]

21. Hey, Agent Mike, tell the Secret Service "Thanks from DU."

I mean it. Really.

Hekate

[wordpix]

39. and a special thanks from me, too. Smile

[BR_Parkway]

24. And has anyone found his Freeper screenname yet? I bet Vegas wouldn't

bet against that one

[47of74]

50. Boy, RimJob's gonna be busy this week...

He's probably going to have all sorts of posts to purge as all the idiots on his little message board start acting up.

[slackmaster]

30. Self-delete

I failed at reading.

[progressoid]

34. Good Lord.

[JayMusgrove]

35. I think I have a new use for GTMO

people like this idiot belong there.

[David Zephyr]

41. Thank goodnesss for the Secret Service. Fox News is driving this shit.

I've never seen such inciting of violence by a news organization in my life...and I'm old.

This inciting violence needs to be shut up.

[sofa king]

45. With apologies to Rush (the band)

Drawn like moths they drift into the cities
To support their right-wing faction
Hoping for some action
Armed with misspelled signs and nines
Just to dream the dream of might

[dogfacedboy]

47. Excellent, Smithers...Excellent! n/t

[sofa king]

48. For that you get an encore

Some will sell their dreams to AM liars
Or run this race for rats
Line pockets of fat cats
But they'll one day dream of somewhere
They can cure their latest blight

Someplace where infirmaries
Won't just pull their plug and douse the lights....

[crazy_vanilla]

64. another MORAN

who poses around like a peacock with his loaded weapon