CNN Breaking - Ashcroft hospitalized...

[Cooley Hurd]

...for gallstone pancreatitis. He's in intensive care, according to CNN...

Reuters Link: Ashcroft in Intensive Care, Pancreatic Problems

CNN now reporting he underwent emergency surgery last night...

[Atman]

1. Pray for him.

Silent prayer, please. 'Nuff said.

[cboy4]

5. Praise Jesus.

Oooops, did I say that??? :cry: :evilgrin:

[fortyfeetunder]

224. Don't worry

As my mama used to say "God don't like ugly"...

Apparently God saw the ugly in Asscroft and decided to take action.

[aquart]

21. I have been praying.

Witness the power of prayer.

[Drifter]

124. Me too ...

Just like Pat Roberstson has been praying for the health of our Supreme Justices.

Cheers
Drifter

[Ambassador]

110. Yes, Pray for Pain

We need to let the AG know what pain I and others have everyday and the pain killers we need that he makes hard for our docs to write. So let us pray his doc will not give him the pain killers he needs until he begs for them. Then let us pray the doc tells him what he put doctors through.

[orthogonal]

153. Re: Yes, Pray for Pain

That's just not right.

I don't like Ashcroft's policies, I think he's a threat to liberty, but I don't wish him to suffer, and I hope he'll recover quickly and fully.

That said....

John Ashcroft's probably in horrible pain right now, probably clutching his guts while it feels like his body's being torn apart.

It's probably almost as painful as terminal cancer.

So I want to help relieve his suffering. It just isn't right to let anybody suffer like that, if you can help them, no matter what ideologies are involved.

So I tried to call my friend Tommy, to see if I could get John some natural chronic pain-reliever, but they told me the Feds done busted ol' Tommy Chong.

So then I tried calling one of them mary-jane co-operatives in Cali, man, for people suffering in terrible pain. But they told me the Feds had shut them down too, even though they're legal under California law.

But then, man, I was like, I know this doctor in Oregon, and they have real progressive laws about pain relief for the terminally il. But the doctor I talked to told me that even though death with dignity is legal in Oregon, the Feds told the doctors that if they helped those poor people, they'd lose their Federal drug licenses no matter what Oregon law is.

So it's a real bummer. I'd like to help John Ashcroft and all those other people who live, day after miserable day in terrible, debilitating, humiliating pain, but even though that's legal in some states, the Feds say they have to suffer.

I wonder who tells the Feds to do that?

Maybe when John gets out of the hospital, he'll empathize with all those people who can't get marijuana to palliate their glaucoma, their AIDS, their incredibly painful terminal cancers, people who, like Christ, been doing the suffering for John's sins.

[Mandate My Ass]

161. Awesome first post

Welcome to DU. I hope to see alot of you around here. :hi:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

204. Nice zinger!

[Meldread]

209. Good.

"John Ashcroft's probably in horrible pain right now, probably clutching his guts while it feels like his body's being torn apart.

It's probably almost as painful as terminal cancer."

I hope it's slow, I hope it's painful, and I hope that he suffers greatly right before he dies. But not before regretting everything he's done to our country.

[laylah]

211. A terrific

debut! Welcome :toast:

Jenn

[saskatoon]

198. We need to let the AG know what pain I and others have everyday and the pa

What would Jesus think? Well I expect he would figure "Do as you would be done by" and that bastard has caused my loved one to suffer agony such as that I prayed for God to take him to end his suffering. Wait and see people! you who haven't suffered extreme pain or seen someone you love who cries though he was a stalwart grown man, wait a few years---you'll run into that circumstance and you will wonder why you could have been so blind.

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[Catholic Sensation]

167. are you 12?

What makes what you just said any better than Ann Coulter's advocating the execution of liberals for the purposes of intimidation?

Jesus, I knew I was going to see this shit when I clicked on the thread, but I had hoped we were more mature than freepers.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

205. And I was hoping not to see any judgemental posts like yours....

...I had also hoped that we would be more mature on the front, too.

[Gman]

120. Why???

ought to pray against him rather than for him.

[Sabriel]

168. I am praying...

I'm praying he has a long, long life, behind bars with an atheist cellmate who decorates with pictures from his adult straight and queer magazines, while the prison guards play Howard Stern, 24/7. Ashcroft's Inferno! It's daydreams like this that keep me going.

[LiberalFighter]

192. Make it eternal and never dies.

[abracadabra]

201. Drinkin 'll do it ta CHIMP too if he keeps it up !!!

All we need's a buch of sick drunks keeling over while they're trying to wreck our constitution and destroy our environment...and oh yeah...and while they're trying to take over the world and start sweat shops in Haiti too---

Should we PRAY for them to have good health while they destroy this good earth?

tha
Poor man


Pray for regular US citizens!!
NOT SS gestapo like ASS KKKroft !!

.

.

[deutsey]

2. Any details?

.

[TheWebHead]

3. "stomach pains" - msnbc

[deutsey]

7. I thought it might have been Crisco poisoning

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

[NashVegas]

44. I Tried, I Tried

I couldn't resist, either.

[meow2u3]

56. Can we bring him a calico cat for pet therapy?

Sorry, I couldn't resist that one, either! :evilgrin:

[kysrsoze]

58. Tee-hee! That was hilarious.

[rocktivity]

70. One calico, coming right up!

GET THEE BEYOND ME, ASHCROFT!!!
UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!

:headbang:
rocknation

[rocktivity]

229. In case you have no idea of what the calico cat thing is about

There was a story that Ashcroft was planning to visit England, and he requested that any calico cats should be removed from where he would be going. Why? Well, for chromosomal reasons, calico cats are almost always female, and male calico cats are almost always sterile (they tend to have one X chromosome too many). It it any wonder that Christian fundies would associate them with withcraft and satanism?

:headbang:
rocknation

[carpetbagger]

217. Naw, he ate too much of the Constitution n/t

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[TheWebHead]

8. please don't

Rush, Hannity & co know to look on these forums to use as red meat to portray the Left as a bunch of evil heartless God-hating SOB's.

[demnan]

13. Sorry

I know I'm an evil heartless God-hating SOB. This opinion is my own and does not reflect the majority of opinions on DU.

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Who cares what THEY think...

When I post on DU, the last thing that crosses my mind is, "Gee... I hope I don't piss off Rush & Hannity."

[RedEarth]

17. I agree......

let's keep our thoughts to ourselves.

[cboy4]

23. You can't be real!!

N/T

[Mountainman]

117. Screw Rush , Hanity and Co. Don't let the right intimidate you!

[saskatoon]

199. Right on mountain man!

[Gman]

122. Rush and Hannity can shove it

Like either of them have any room to talk.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

206. I personally don't give a damn what those RW goose-steppers think...

...and I think more DUers ought to start thinking the same way.

[Shadder]

10. Well, my first thought...

Cound not happen to a more deserving bastard.

[joeunderdog]

214. And he said, "If I am lying, God shall STRIKE ME DOWN!"

That's God punishing him. When will the rest of Shrubco get theirs?

[jeanmarc]

34. I do not disagree with the sentiment

He's been a meanspirited guy for too long. Maybe he'll have a change of heart after all of this.....Naaaaaaaah!

[kysrsoze]

Maybe then he would have a chance of winning Governorship of Missouri

:evilgrin:

[Atman]

71. OUCH!

Good one! Subtle, but dead-on! Oops...sorry for the pun. Not.

[Meldread]

212. LOL!

That is a low blow, but a good one!

[TankLV]

64. Go ahead!

It feels good.

Just deserts, I say.

I will never wish this SOB well.

I will wish him 10 times what he's done to others happens to him.

[Sparkle]

77. We;re not all thinking that, maybe just you.

I don't care much for Ashcroft but I do hope he gets better, that way we can start bashing him again.

[TankLV]

131. Nope - I'm thinking it too.

I think the majority of us here are, too.

Sorry, I can't be as noble and forgiving as you with all the pain and suffering he has directly caused by his butting his nose in "States Rights" to disallow medical marijuana use.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

207. Do you think he would show mercy to any one of us? I think...

...we should continue to bash the little Nazi S.O.B. unmercifully, because he deserves everything he gets.

[laylah]

213. Of course he wouldn't!

HOWEVER, since I am a devout believer is Karma, I wish him a full recovery...a long, painful, arduous, harrowing, laborious, grueling, protracted, and painstaking recovery...but a recovery nonetheless :evilgrin:

Jenn

EDITED for spelling and to share that my daughter just told me that my wishes were not good karma magnets...oh well, I tried.

[tedoll78]

227. I can be downright vengeful..

about non-human people like this. I hope he's completely non-drugged when they remove his urinary catheter.

How's that for evil?

[fob]

106. Let's just say, God works in mysterious ways and doesn't use FEDEX

to send messages!

[bluestateguy]

115. You know

I get absolutely savaged by people here for supporting the Democratic nominee and criticizing Ralph Nader and the Greens, yet some people here feel free to to cheer for the deaths of our political enemies, or even cheer for the deaths of American soldiers. Amazing. I seek Mr. Ashcroft's political defeat, perhaps even his impeachment, but not his death. Jeez.

[BiggJawn]

147. Not from his Gallbladder, anyway...

Now, after a fair trial......

[Mari333]

6. Can I obtain a copy of his medical records?

I mean, fair is fair.

[havocmom]

93. Good one Mari333! yes, maybe it is a cover for an illegal procedure (n/t)

[m-jean03]

152. Yeah -- I bet John's getting

a late term abortion, the immoral slut

[leesa]

219. Excellent.. It's truly unfortunate that he wasn't aborted.

[comradebillyboy]

9. schadenfreude is what i feel-

suffer you nazi bastard!

[Ripley]

11. If it's anything like the pancreatitis my grandma had...

She died within 2 months from that horrible disease. She couldn't eat and it was painful.

That man disgusts me, but I wouldn't want anyone to suffer the way she did. Wish they could find some damn cures for these things...oh yeah, that would be STEM CELL RESEARCH. Something I sure he's all for now.

[FlaGranny]

179. I had pancreatitis once -

a doctor acquaintance saw me in the elevator and when I told him why I was in the hospital - he said "now you know what real pain is." I couldn't agree more. I can't imagine anything worse - many times worse than childbirth. Morphine doesn't help much, but allows you to sleep for an hour or so. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.

[Ripley]

220. Pancreatic Cancer is what I was thinking of.

So sorry for anyone who had any type of pancreatic pain.

My grandmother died of a horrible disease. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.

[Khephra]

12. Gallstone pancreatitis

Biliary tract disease (gallstones) is the most common cause of acute pancreatitis in non-alcoholic Americans, and is the leading cause worldwide. Other etiologies include penetrating peptic ulcer, trauma, post-ERCP, post-operative, metabolic (hypertriglyceridemia), and drug-induced. Presenting symptoms include severe constant abdominal pain, nausea, emesis, fever and tachycardia.

In approximately 85 to 90% of patients, acute pancreatitis is self-limited and resolves completely in 3 to 7 days after treatment is instituted. Medical therapy is aimed at reducing pancreatic secretion, thereby "resting" the pancreas, and usually involves analgesia, intravenous fluids, eliminating oral intake, and occasionally nasogastric suction.

http://www.netmedicine.com/photo/pearls/ptod0016.htm

[Cooley Hurd]

18. So, what you're saying is that he might live?

Aw, fuckity-fuck... ;)

[Ripley]

19. Oh, so it's not cancerous.

This sounds relatively mild. Why is this news?

[aquart]

28. Pain?

[Cooley Hurd]

36. Ask CNN...

They're calling it news.

I report, you decide ;)

[Jack Rabbit]

53. It's news because . . .

. . . the Attorney General, or what passes for one in a quasi-legal junta that seized control of the executive branch of the US government three years ago, is in the hospital.

[liberalnurse]

50. No, it is not mild by any means.

It is very painful.......If he is in ICU...he's hurting.

[jamesinca]

51. Yes but it says he is in the ICU

People do not go to the ICU for a simple case of pancreatitis. It is a painful condition but it can be deadly. When the common duct becomes blocked from irritation, infection or a stone the enzymes of the pancreas that have been activated back up into the pancreas and begin to digest or breakdown the pancreas. It is painful, because you are being eaten by activated enzymes that have not made it to the intestinal tract, were they are harmless to people and break down food. If the enzymes have eaten through the pancreas into a vessel then he may bleed a lot and be put into the unit. If the enzymes have eaten into the liver, diaphragm or the lungs; he may go into some type of liver dysfunction, or respiratory emergency. Depending on the severity of it, it may kill you 10-15% of the time or leave you with a lot of scar tissue internally. Regardless of the severity it is very painful. So much so it will cause one to vomit. When is the last time you were in so much pain you vomited?

Regardless of the degree of his pancreatitis, he is in for a miserable few days. Being in the ICU makes me think he is either in bad shape, something else is going on, precious is being pampered or he is not really in the ICU.

[jean]

102. thanks for the excellent overview james

[jamesinca]

105. Your welcome

I am jsut trying to do my part.

[cyr330]

177. necrotizting pancreatitis?

Let's keep our fingers crossed. I could play the adult and claim to not wish harm on anyone, but he's too destructive. It would be like saying one wouldn't have wanted harm to come to Hitler. Ashcroft is a purulent, malignant pustule, and the world would be better off without him. His blatant disregard for the welfare of the disenfranchised is disgusting.

[belle]

178. Too much gall, eh?

How oddly...fitting.

I just think: hey, couldn't've happened to a nicer guy. I doubt it'll kill him, but can't say I'd shed tears if somehow it did.

[Don Claybrook]

14. Gosh, I hope it isn't painful

I wonder if he's broken any laws. We'd better have a look at his medical records, just in case. Yes, let's get those records onto the Internet so we can make sure he hasn't broken any laws.

Does anyone else imagine that the career staffers at Justice are doing the Happy Dance right about now?

[Dying Eagle]

16. Suffer......@sshole

Lets all hope for the worst :evilgrin:

[qanda]

20. I don't like the man, but I would never wish anyone ill

I pray for his recovery.

[mac56]

25. amen to that

I want him to recover, though a little humility would be nice too.

[belle]

180. I don't.

If you don't feel comfortable actually praying for someone's death (which i get), how about this: that his karma bring him exactly what he deserves, whatever that may be. 'Nuff said.

[H2O Man]

22. Pray for

the unifying energy of the universe to reveal herself to him late at night, and to give him insight into the true nature of God, that he may repent and make straight his ways. We do NOT live at a time where we have the luxury of hating others different than ourselves -- the very offense he is "guilty" of! -- because we are NOT on a fence, where some of us will prosper and others suffer: rather, we are at a crossroads in human history, where we will learn to live together as the human family, or we will soon disappear from the surface of the earth. The choice is ours, and I can say without any chance of being wrong that emotions such as hatred will not help us to heal.

[aquart]

35. Okay. Revelation it is.

Good idea.

Like what happened to Atwater.

Sort of like the curse that gave Angel his soul.

[Sterling]

129. "different than ourselves "

If that is what you think is at the root of the disgust with this sorry sack o shit I suggest you start paying a little more attention.

[saskatoon]

202. Really!

Oh come on!

[Bronco69]

24. I wonder if his partner will be allowed to visit him

and be updated regularly on his condition. OOPS, nevermind.

[SoCalDem]

26. I knew he had too much bile.. It was oozing from every pore

So..now they will do a bile-ectomy and he will be reborn as a Julie Andrews clone... all sweetness...and he already knows how to sing :eyes:

[Gin]

33. Bile...Gall...Vile....yep...that's him.....the pain we experience is in

relation to the pain we inflict on others.

[PassingFair]

37. Yep,,, getting eaten away by his own bile...

bet all those ****heads suffer from their outrageous behavior and unbridled greed.

Only Georgie is blissfully unaware of the suffering he is causing. The rest of them think happiness is the fleeting moment of righteous indignation they feel when bad things happen to others.

[thom1102]

63. The Hills are Alive...

With the sound of Music!

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Doesn't sound like it's fatal

too bad?



http://www.endonurse.com/articles/2c1feat3.html

"Acute pancreatitis is a clinical syndrome consisting of epigastric abdominal pain, often radiating to the back; nausea; vomiting (not always present); and a serum amylase or lipase level greater than three to five times normal," writes John Baillie, a professor of medicine at Duke University Medical Center's gastroenterology division.2

Gallstone pancreatitis is typically seen in patients described by the five Fs. There are other forms of pancreatitis -- such as alcoholic pancreatitis, which is generally seen in men aged 30 to 45, who have chronic pancreatitis with a "superimposed acute flare-up" of the disease, and idiopathic pancreatitis, which is often related to microlithiasis (caused by gallstones less than 2 mm which are too small to be visualized with imaging techniques).3

<snip>

Risk factors for gallbladder disease besides the "five Fs" (fair, fat, female, fertile and 40-plus years of age) include a larger-diameter cystic duct, a larger-diameter common bile duct, high basal sphincter of Oddi pressure, more pancreatic duct reflux and a common pancreatobiliary channel.1


Makes you wonder if ol' Johnny nips the bottle a bit?

[smirkymonkey]

119. Just heard on the radio

(NYC 1010) about Ashcroft and the announcer was talking about how the attending physician, who didn't know who Ashcroft was, remarked that "usually we only see cases like this in people with advanced alcholism."

Then one of the reich spokesman replied how ironic that was, because "anyone who knows JA, knows that he's never had a drink in his life".

Who do you believe? The doctor or the spin doctor?

[Stephanie]

150. Okay that is very interesting

Because he's always looked like hell. What about those eye bags? Does Ashcroft have a secret?

[belle]

181. Actually, I could...

The mind-body connection is an odd thing. People were kidding about it being "too much gall" or "bile," but you know, I wonder. I've certainly heard of very high-maintenance people who've never had a drink or drug in their lives but still had all kinds of problems one would expect to find in people who took more chemicals--Harlan Ellison is/was one, I think (very angry guy). The body produces its own chemistry. Who knows what's been leaking through Ashcroft's system?

That said, if they did find out he's been getting into the hooch after all, it wouldn't exactly stun me with surprise either.

[smirkymonkey]

230. Would drugs cause the same

problems w/ the pancreas that alcohol would?? I know they adversely affect the liver, but it's possible that some other substance is causing the problem.

Then again, I agree, just being hateful can do a lot of damage to a person on a physical level. It's like a poison in the body.

[GregW]

29. The 5 F's ...

Link

Risk factors for gallbladder disease besides the "five Fs" (fair, fat, female, fertile and 40-plus years of age) include a larger-diameter cystic duct, a larger-diameter common bile duct, high basal sphincter of Oddi pressure, more pancreatic duct reflux and a common pancreatobiliary channel.1

And here I was thinking one of the five F's was going to be FUNDAMENTALIST.

:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

41. I thought it was caused by...

...prolonged exposure to Calico cats and marble titties.

[southerngirlwriter]

136. All of those risk factors are important, but

family history is more important. I lost my gall bladder at age 16. My sister was 19. My mother was 23. My grandmother, 35. My great-aunt, not quite 40. My mother's a triplet, and her sister was late-twenties and her brother, late-thirties, when they lost theirs. And so on and so forth.

Our gall bladder doc (who has removed them all, except for Grandma's, LOL) says that the risk factors you've listed are all outweighed by family history. :shrug:

[JNelson6563]

30. I hope he survives

so he can face charges.

Julie

[jamesinca]

61. For that reason I hope so too.

.

[Nihil]

31. Do you realise ...

... that this has the potential for making more converts to Christianity
than the "Passion of the Christ"? :-)

I suppose it all depends what you pray for and what the outcome is.

Nihil

[gWbush is Mabus]

32. punishment from God????

[Renew Deal]

43. That's what I was thinking.

[smirkymonkey]

128. or Karma....

which ever way you look at it, he is getting what he deserves.

Personally, I could give a damn about how much pain he's in or whether he pulls through. Do you think he, or any of his kind, give a damn about any of the lives lost in this ridiculous war?? Does he care about how average americans are getting by without jobs and decreased benefits?? Do you think he loses a moment's sleep over people who die every day because they can't afford proper medical care.

I have no pity for him. The world will be a much better place with him gone.

[BeyondGeography]

38. We're all human beings, remember?

We all get our turn with physical pain. Some of us have even been through it ourselves. I could never feel good about somebody else's.

Spiritual evolution, that's another thing. You never know what effect something like this will have on a person, and there's nothing wrong with hoping that he emerges more tolerant and humanized than the person we see right now.

[belle]

182. Nice sentiment, but I tend to doubt it.

If anything, he'll probably come out of it with renewed zeal: clearly, he'll think, God was testing him because he hasn't been getting after His enemies *enough.*

[Media_Lies_Daily]

210. NeoCons aren't even remotely human. They deserve nothing in return.

[TankLV]

39. Good!

I hopr he's in lots of pain, too.

Asshole!

[AndyP]

40. man some of you are pretty cold hearted

I mean he is a fricking human being ya know. Have at least some compassion, I'm not saying that you have to cry and pray for the guy, but I don't think we should all be saying that this is a great thing to happen. Half of you are the same ones that bitch and whine when we put a comvicted murderer to death.

[TankLV]

42. Nope - he's the scum of the earth.

Would you pray for Goebles, or Hitler?

Same thing.

He is not a human being. Don't put him in the same category as me.

Reap what you sow, asscrap.

Sorry, no pity here. He's caused so much suffering to others.

Scum.

[H2O Man]

55. Okay, okay ....

Actually, yes, I believe fully in praying for even the most evil people on earth. No, not crying for them, or "loving" them in any sense as other than realizing they are a part of the greater plan. But many of you are not feeling sorry for him. So --- will you consider joining my new John A. support group : the Organization of Religious Groups Against Smutty Material (ORGASM) ??? I find the new bush camaign ads morally offensive. I don't want children to see them. Will you help? Please send $$$ to d.u. and similar groups who support the missionary position of ORGASM. Thanks!

[TankLV]

60. ????

nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

208. I think that one started the weekend a tad bit early....

...that train has left the station and is accelerating rapidly.

[nolabels]

111. Comparative Un-welcomes

The difference between Rattle Snakes and Black Widows around my house is only having heard the snake, but being much experienced getting rid of the an unwanted intruding spider, would be the relative point for me. Keeping the knowledge of how to get rid of the spider current seems the more important.

The old story line of God don't make junk, and I am not junk gives room to ponder, they might be here for a reason, but for heaven sakes don't bring them in the house.

[qanda]

46. Of course you're right Andy

Not everyone here is so mean-spirited as to wish the man's demise. Most who don't wish the man harm, won't even bother to post on this thread. So, don't take it too seriously.

[AndyP]

52. alright

I guess I feel a little better then. :)

[bicentennial_baby]

47. Schadenfreude

completely natural response.

[aquart]

65. He earned this. It's bought and paid for.

By the sweat of his brow.

[shanti]

75. pah leese

does this man have compassion for anyone else?? what goes around, comes around.

[smirkymonkey]

133. Actually , he's not.

...a human being, that is.

[belle]

185. He's a human being. That's what makes him so contemptible.

He had the same potential for becoming a reasonable, compassionate individual as any of the rest of us. Whether he couldn't or wouldn't, he didn't. And now, being human, he's going through some physical pain. Maybe it's completely random; and maybe it's his body's way of expressing all the mental "bile" he's been stockpiling over the years, or maybe it's some of each. Whatever it is: I am not mother fucking Theresa, and I cannot summon up much feeling for him. Which is also human.

[belle]

184. I'm not one of those people, and so...

I have no compunctions at all about having little or no compassion for Ashcroft. Yeah, everybody goes through pain sooner or later. Some people learn to be more compassionate from the experience. My impression of Ashcroft is that if he was gonna learn, he would've long ago. He's hurting lots and lots of people. The world would be a better place without him, certainly in that place of power. But hey, I'm a reasonable woman: if it just meant he was too ill to continue his job, that'd work for me. If he *does* die, well: he believes he's going to heaven, right? Presumably he'd be happier there, he seems to have such little love for the other inhabitants of this world.

[Timefortruth]

45. When he recovers, as he certainly will, he will attribute his

survival to God, it is a reward for all Ashcroft's devotion.

Now, if OBL survives all of his medical ills he would also attribute his survival to God, it is a reward for all OBL's devotion.

Both know his God means it and the other's survival is a mystery.

[hlthe2b]

48. The Karma that he's accumulated.......

would be a frightening prospect to most people... Reap as you shall sow, Mr. Assskkkroft. But, I hope he makes a full recovery and lives a long life having to answer to the damage he has wrought to democracy, to our civil liberties and to the lives of so many innocent Americans, not to mention the exploitation and bastardization of the religion he claims as his own.

[gulfcoastliberal]

66. Instant Karma is a bitch. nt

[SoCalDem]

49. Pancreatitis symptoms and implications

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic354.htm

Background: Pancreatitis is an inflammatory process in which pancreatic enzymes autodigest the gland.

The gland can sometimes heal without any impairment of function or any morphologic changes. This process is known as acute pancreatitis. It can recur intermittently, contributing to the functional and morphologic loss of the gland. Recurrent attacks are referred to as chronic pancreatitis. Both forms of pancreatitis are present in the ED with acute clinical findings.


Pathophysiology: Because the pancreas is located in the retroperitoneal space with no capsule, inflammation can spread easily. In acute pancreatitis, parenchymal edema and peripancreatic fat necrosis occur first. This process is known as acute edematous pancreatitis.

When necrosis involves the parenchyma, accompanied by hemorrhage and dysfunction of the gland, the inflammation evolves into hemorrhagic or necrotizing pancreatitis.

Pseudocysts and pancreatic abscesses can result from necrotizing pancreatitis because of enzymes being walled off by granulation tissue (ie, pseudocyst formation) or bacterial seeding of pancreatic or peripancreatic tissue (ie, pancreatic abscess formation). An ultrasound or, preferably, a CT scan can be used detect both.

The inflammatory process can cause systemic effects because of the presence of cytokines, such as bradykinins and phospholipase A. These cytokines may cause vasodilation, increase in vascular permeability, pain, and leukocyte accumulation in the vessel walls. Fat necrosis may cause hypocalcemia. Pancreatic B cell injury may lead to hyperglycemia.


Frequency:


In the US: Annual incidence of acute pancreatitis is 19.5 per 100,000 population and chronic pancreatitis is 8.3 per 100,000 population per year.
Mortality/Morbidity:

Although acute pancreatitis should be noted, chronic pancreatitis has a more severe presentation as episodes recur.
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), acute renal failure, cardiac depression, hemorrhage, and hypotensive shock all may be systemic manifestations of acute pancreatitis in its most severe form.
Race: Annual incidence of acute pancreatitis in Native American persons is 4 per 100,000 population, in white persons is 5.7 per 100,000 population, and in black persons is 20.7 per 100,000 population.

Sex: No predilection exists.

Age: The risk for African American persons aged 35-64 years is 10 times higher than for any other group. African American persons are at higher risk than white persons in that same age group. CLINICAL Section 3 of 9
Author Information Introduction Clinical Differentials Workup Treatment Medication Follow-up Bibliography




History:

The main presentation of acute pancreatitis is epigastric pain or right upper quadrant pain radiating to the back
Nausea and/or vomiting
Fever
Query the patient about recent surgeries and invasive procedures (ie, endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography) or family history of hypertriglyceridemia.
Patients frequently have a history of previous biliary colic and binge alcohol consumption, the major causes of acute pancreatitis.
Physical:

Tachycardia
Tachypnea
Hypotension
Fever
Abdominal tenderness, distension, guarding, and rigidity
Mild jaundice
Diminished or absent bowel sounds
Because of contiguous spread of inflammation (effusion) from the pancreas, lung auscultation may reveal basilar rales, especially in the left lung.
Occasionally, in the extremities, muscular spasm may be noted secondary to hypocalcemia.
Severe cases may have a Grey Turner sign (ie, bluish discoloration of the flanks) and Cullen sign (ie, bluish discoloration of the periumbilical area) caused by the retroperitoneal leak of blood from the pancreas in hemorrhagic pancreatitis.
Causes:

The major causes are long-standing alcohol consumption and biliary stone disease.
In developed countries, the most common cause of acute pancreatitis is alcohol abuse.

On the cellular level, ethanol leads to intracellular accumulation of digestive enzymes and their premature activation and release.

On the ductal level, ethanol increases the permeability of ductules, which allow enzymes to reach the parenchyma, resulting in pancreatic damage.

Ethanol increases the protein content of the pancreatic juice and decreases bicarbonate levels and trypsin inhibitor concentrations. This leads to the formation of protein plugs that block the pancreatic outflow and obstruction.
Another major cause of acute pancreatitis is biliary stone disease (eg, cholelithiasis, choledocholithiasis). A biliary stone may lodge in the pancreatic duct or ampulla of Vater and obstruct the pancreatic duct, leading to extravasation of enzymes into the parenchyma.
Minor causes of acute pancreatitis
Medications, including azathioprine, corticosteroids, sulfonamides, thiazides, furosemides, NSAIDs, mercaptopurine, methyldopa, and tetracyclines
Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP)
Hypertriglyceridemia (When the triglyceride (TG) level exceeds 1000 mg/U, an episode of pancreatitis is more likely.)
Peptic ulcer disease
Abdominal or cardiopulmonary bypass surgery, which may insult the gland by ischemia
Trauma to the abdomen or back, resulting in sudden compression of the gland against the spine posteriorly
Carcinoma of the pancreas, which may lead to pancreatic outflow obstruction
Viral infections, including mumps, Coxsackievirus, cytomegalovirus (CMV), hepatitis virus, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and rubella
Bacterial infections, such as mycoplasma
Intestinal parasites, such as ascaris, which can block the pancreatic outflow
Pancreas divisum
Scorpion and snake bites
Vascular factors, such as ischemia or vasculitis

[Rich Hunt]

101. OMG!

The major causes are long-standing alcohol consumption and biliary stone disease.
In developed countries, the most common cause of acute pancreatitis is alcohol abuse.

Could it be ??

This must have been written by a freeper doctor. Only a freeper would come up with something called 'Billary stone disease'.

[jamesinca]

104. Biliary stone disease is a nice way to say gallstones

he has a gallstone stuck in his biliary duct, or common bile duct.

[twilight]

134. ok fine, chop it out

and give him no drugs for the pain. Ashcrank doesn't feel pain anyway, so why bother?

:evilgrin:

:dem:

[belle]

187. I know you don't have to be alcholic to have gallstones...

My grandmother and uncle both had it; neither drinks at all, or barely.

[twilight]

132. Diminished or absent bowel sounds

Nope, couldn't be that, Ashcrank has plenty of very LOUD bowel sounds heard all around this world! :evilgrin:

:dem:

[SoCalDem]

145. COULD IT BE A CIPRO REACTION??.. Will he sue the mfg???

http://www.drugvictims.org/papers/00chemball.html



....sniip


Safety of the new fluoroquinolones compared with ciprofloxacin
... Post-marketing surveillance data indicate the possibility of serious hepatic reactions and pancreatitis. Interactions between fluoroquinolones and drugs metabolised by the hepatic cytochrome P450 system affect the clearance of theophylline and caffeine. Quinolone absorption is significantly reduced by co-administration of antacids. Hospitalised patients are likely to be receiving multiple-drug therapy, but drug interactions are avoidable. The interactions of specific fluoroquinolones should be checked prior to prescription. ...
www.drugvictims.org/papers/00chemball.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

[bushisanidiot]

54. Did The Terrssstsss Get Him??

surely, the almighty GOD would not have let this happen to his most holy follower! It HAD to have been those EVIL tersssstssss

[matcom]

57. i hope his Dr is Muselim

:D

[jamesinca]

107. I will bet you they have been screened

There will only be honkys working with Ashcroft. His own wishes and a matter of national security.

[belle]

188. No, a gay man,

and visibly enough for Ashcroft to recognize.

[snippy]

59. This is Clinton's fault.

[thebaghwan]

90. No, Clinton's penis caused it. Now how did Clinton's penis get inside of

old John boy to create all that bile and stuff?

[snippy]

98. True. Perhaps it is related to the so called "pretzel" incident?

[smirkymonkey]

137. Hmmmm.... and he thinks gay

marriage is an abomination! But intraparty sodomy?? Damn that Clinton and his penis!!

[notadmblnd]

62. It's got to be more than just gallstones..

for intensive care to be required my mother had gallstones and it was just snip snip and out the door. OTOH my grandfather died of Pancreatic Cancer. It was a horrendously painful and slow agonizing death.

[Jersey Devil]

79. Gallstones cause the pancreatitis

My wife had it. I don't know the medical terminology but when gallstones block the common duct for the gall bladder and pancreas everything backs up into the pancreas and it stops functioning properly. My wife's skin and eyes turned yellow. They removed her gallbladder and inserted an abdominal drain. She was very sick and in tremendous pain for about a week but made a full recovery. What Rummy has is not uncommon for gall bladder patients.

[FlaGranny]

186. When I had pancreatitis, the doctors said it was

caused by my taking prednisone for muscle/joint problems. Prednisone causes depression of the immune system. My pancreas was the part of me that suffered.

By the way, pancreatitis feels like you have a beach ball inside you, fully inflated, and you are sure it will explode and spray all your guts out. The best analogy I can come up with is the alien in the movie "Alien." That's what it feels like.

[Zero Gravitas]

67. I would be a hypocrite

If I expressed any sympathy or good wishes for that fascist anti-American bastard. So I won't. I hope he is forced to resign because of bad health. No I take that back, we need him to stay on as yet another reason for people to vote ABB in November.

[Ilsa]

68. Let's not confuse this with Gall Bladder gallstones.

Gall bladder problems are very different, and treatment is different. You can live without the gall bladder. This case is about the pancreas, which secretes insulin and digestive enzymes.

[Rainbowreflect]

69. I hope he get better quickly and his brush with death

makes him rethink all of his past actions. That he turns away from the dark side and only uses his power for good.
That is my prayer.

[Fovea]

163. I had a bacterial infection of the gall bladder

that caused it to perforate. I collapsed from the fever/insult, had to have a course of serious IV antibiotics and emergency surgery. It took me six months to get to the point I could work full time again...
no health insurance... 60K bill...

I am only here because my sweetheart found me unconscious.

He is going to be going through pain and fatigue unlike anything he has had before. He may not live. That would be sad, because he has a date with Leavenworth.

[Carolina]

172. Did Rush's brush

with hearing loss change him?!

No, Ashcroft won't turn from the dark side, if he recovers. He'll likely be worse since recovery will be hailed as vindication.

Only permanent, painful disability or dependence woud lead to change perhaps like that seen in George Wallace after the paralyzing gunshot wound.

But wingnuts always seem to recover fully ...

[PATRICK]

72. So who's in charge?

And better yet, is anything else going on besides an act of nature?

[SoCalDem]

73. Al Haig

:)

[PATRICK]

143. LOL

Seriously.

[Shadoobie]

74. Easing his pain

Mabe his doctor's will recommend smoking marijuana to help ease his pain. :evilgrin:

~Greg

[catmandu57]

83. He's earned every pain

over a long career built on the suffering of those different from jonny crisco, I hope he recovers, slowly and painfully. While he recovers I hope that investigations reveal the evilness of this shithead and land him in prison for the rest of his existance.

[drumwolf]

76. i asked this same question on a dupe thread so i'll ask it here...

pure speculation on my part, but here's a thought.....

Prior to this news breaking, did anyone here ever hear any rumors to the effect of Bush secretly planning to phase out Asscroft (in the same way there are rumors that Cheney and/or Powell may not come back in a second Bush term)? If so, do you think this would be a perfect cover for the Bush administration to claim that Ashcroft is retiring "for health reasons"?

Again, let me repeat, this is pure speculation on my part, I have not heard any actual news or even rumors to this effect.

[whirlygigspin]

85. he always did act like he had something stuck in his craw

Shoulda had an enema years ago and saved himself the pain.

Attorney General's warning: being too anal retentive can be hazardous to your health.




*note to dems: not to worry, Kerry is not the least bit anal retentive anymore, apparently.

:hurts:

[flamingyouth]

78. Wow - that is REALLY serious

My dad had an acquaintance who had been otherwise healthy and died of this in his early 60s.

[prodigal_green]

80. God controls everything

I wonder how he and other fundies will be able to rationalize this with their belief that God punishes and rewards everyone with disease (AIDS anyone?) and other afflictions?

Its his paradigm, let him choke on it.

I hope it doesn't turn out to be pancreatic cancer. My beloved grandmother died of that and he doesn't deserve to be associated with her in any way, shape or form, even if it considered one of the most painful cancers a human can get.

[JusticeForAll]

88. I hope his doctors follow the Hippocratic Oath

And puts him out of OUR misery.

J4A

[w4rma]

81. He'll be fine. Just has to pass some gallstones. (n/t)

[RetroLounge]

82. Ain't karma a bitch?

'nuff said...

[CheshireCat]

84. I wonder if God is trying to tell him something!

</sarcasm>

Must of been that calico cat that crossed his path.

Come on - fess up! Which DUer put that cat in his path!

NO! He must have made a loop of the Janet Jackson halftime show and watched it continuously.

Better watch out John - God will get ya!

[jeffreyi]

86. there's a real possiblity

of sepsis, and even gangrene in the tissues affected by the blockage. Not a good thing...we found out about this when our elderly parent was suffering from what appeared to be gallstones. Mother Nature bats last...

[Nevernose]

87. At least he has good insurance

I don't have any at all. If I had "Pancreatic galltitis" (or whatever), the only emergency healthcare I'd get is a visit from the coroner, after the neighbors reported the strange smell coming from my house. Oh well: at least he got Tommy Chong off the streets.

[knight_of_the_star]

89. Hmmmm

Sounds like someone is trying to tell him something. I wonder if he's getting the message :evilgrin:.

[thebaghwan]

91. At least he has health insurance while millions of American such as my

wife and I don't.

[belle]

189. Sigh. Yeah.

Fuckers.

[Khephra]

92. kick

[kalian]

94. This is called KARMA!

As to whether or not I wish ill will on the guy... I really cannot
say. After the complete disregard for the US Constitution and
the Bill of Rights, I consider him a traitor of the highest degree.

I'll just let his god take care of this destiny...

[Sparkle]

95. What's the deal with the calico cat?

[CheshireCat]

96. Ashcroft thinks calico cats are agents of the devil

He has his people check out the places he is staying to make sure there are no calico cats.

This came out over a year ago when an Inn owner in England spilled the beans.

[Sparkle]

100. You're joking!

LOL! This guy is so embarassing in his beliefs. I did hear about the crisco oil bit and that he doesn't dance, but this one take the cake!

[fortyfeetunder]

225. Crisco Oil???

Not just for frying?

[smirkymonkey]

139. Yep, he's sane.

Are we living in the Middle Ages?? If not, maybe someone should inform the government.

[AngryAmish]

97. He has it coming.

He is utterly sub-human and evil. Suffer, bastard.

[Randomthought]

99. Pain Killer Addiction

Oxycontin abuse coming up for Asscroft?
I can not feel and sympathy for him but I do feel a lot os sympathy for the ICU staff that has to take care of the evil bastard.

[Ganja Ninja]

103. Go toward the light John.

Go to the light Mr. Attorney General.

[bushisanidiot]

108. CNN Breaking - Asscroft is a Pussy! Film at 11!

are we supposed to be distracted by this? gallstones?? who the hell gives a flying fuck? Get back to work, asshole!

[masmdu]

109. Get Well Soon .... (Sarcasm off)

.

[Name removed]

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[nolabels]

114. It's called selective enforcement of law for political purpose

It could be pointed out at nausea, so I will leave that to others, but thanks for your concern.

[CaptAhab]

130. Do you know what you're talking about?

His views are not "conservative" or even "religious". His views are radical extremist fundamentalist. His beliefs consist primarily of an extremely twisted pseudo-Christian demagoguery, combined with political views that are nothing more than thinly-veiled racism and hatred for human freedom.

He has illegally ignored fundamental constitutional protections such as the ones enumerated in the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the United States Consitution, and the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. I do not know what criminal laws he has violated, but I'm certain that he has probably violated those that are meant to protect against illegal search and seizure as a minimum.

[Name removed]

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[belle]

190. Ask Tommy Chong,

and the ill patients in California who were relying on medical marijuana to ease *their* pain, oh, and the doctors whose records he's trying to get a hold of for not falling into line over late-term abortions (which have been used to keep pregnant women from suffering terribly and dying themselves, you know).

As for the rest of it: believe me, it's not for lack of desire to do so. He's gone a long way toward clearing the ground so that many of those scenarios *could* happen. It's not just "belief." He is: a fuck, and a dangerous one. And, uh, welcome.

[Aunt Eunice]

191. He's probably wishing

he had one of Tommy's bong about now.

I wasn't trying to defend him, I just wondered what evil he had done specifically.

[prodigal_green]

223. NOT off limits

His religious views are NOT off limits when he mobilizes them to harass law-abiding citizens.

Off the top of my head? How about subpeonaing doctors for abortion records.

[Tiberius]

138. art communes?

Reno took out an art commune with tanks? When did that happen?

Eunice, no one has a problem with his religious beliefs. He can be however he wants to be in his private life. But when the highest law enforcement officer in the land lets his decision making be influenced by the coming "rapture", well, that's where I have a problem.

[Name removed]

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[mumon]

113. Hmmmm... Charismatic diet riff here...

Gallstones are one result of the inability of the body to metabolize fats...such as oil for "annointing."

Think God is tryin' to tell Mr. "I have to cover up stone tits 'cause I'm a pervert" something?

[Dover]

118. Is he on Medicare? How about those drug prices, eh?

Maybe he'll be able to get them illegally from Canada.

[West Coast Democrat]

121. I must be a heartless wench....

because this news has made my day!

[doxieone]

123. Ashcroft has NOT had surgery yet....

As far as I can tell from what I have heard on TV and a quick look on the internet.

He is in ICU for pain control.... and for other reasons they do not feel like telling us about.

TeamBush says he is not in a 'life threatening' situation.

Then why is he in an ICU?? For the heck of it? (sarcastic)

[lowreed]

125. ashcroft out for medical reasons.....

clearing the way for Rudy Goohliani as att Gen.
Yuk!

[DoYouEverWonder]

174. I'd take an asshole

over a religous extremest fundie for AG any day.

[wryter2000]

146. Hmmm

They don't put you in ICU for pain control. That can be taken care of on a regular floor.

I understand the feelings that his karma has earned this for him, but I honestly don't like us looking no better than a bunch of idiot freepers. I'd like to see the man stand trial for his crimes. I don't believe God has anything to do with this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

175. Because he is the Attorney General of the US

They tend to go overboard when treating someone so 'important'. Plus ICU is probably the most secure place in the hospital. You know Johnny ain't gonna be sharing a semi-private room.

[The Blue Flower]

126. Must be from God

If this is true:
The major causes are long-standing alcohol consumption and biliary stone disease.
In developed countries, the most common cause of acute pancreatitis is alcohol abuse.

Clearly this onslaught is from God, since Ashcroft has never touched alcohol. Also, check the dictionary for 'bilious.' As Ashcroft is, so has he always been.

[smirkymonkey]

140. You mean, kind of like members of the

Christian clergy never touch alcohol and never have sex?? Oh, wait....never mind.

[twilight]

127. how do we know

that he isn't getting a late term abortion from that sex change last year? It could be the combo of the botox injections, the sex change and the late term abortion combined. Where the HELL is Planned Parenthood Ashcrank? No cannabis for you. Pain is hell isn't it?

:evilgrin:

:dem:

[Gman]

135. Freepers are coming over here to see what our reaction is

To: dep
Are they popping the champagne corks down in DU land?
9 posted on 03/05/2004 8:02:15 AM CST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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Yep, Just went over there sure enough in true DU style, the majority of the posters are openly hoping for his death. What a bunch of class acts those liberals are. Unlike the response of Freepers when Wellstone and Moynahan died.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I've got some stink to wash off me...

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”
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[monobrau]

141. Take him home Jesus!

This is war. Pretending otherwise is for fools. I pray for the death of any pig freeper or piece of crap that seeks to dismantle the constitution to serve their own ignorant views.
Playing nice is why this country is so screwed now.
Liberty deserves those who will fight for her and not some milquetoast speeches.
Fuck Ashcroft.

[The Stranger]

159. Good for the Freepers. Let them come over here. Maybe they'll come out

of the denial that has enshrouded their pathetic political movement. And, regardless of what is said here, they will use this or something else (or make something up) to try to discredit progressives. Make no mistake about it. Turn and fight.

[Carolina]

173. to quote their beloved *

"who cares what you think?!"

Besides, we know damn well they were beside themselves when Wellstone died. Hell, some of them probably orchestrated it.

[Octafish]

142. Does he have the same Doc as William Casey had?

DCI Casey took the fall for Iran-contra.

Ashcan is liable for a lot, from Plame-gate to 9-11 to ENRON Enery policy to Selection 2000.

[noonwitch]

144. I had gallstones once, he has my sympathy for that reason only.

It is terrible pain, worse than anything I've ever experienced, even a dental absess. Everything you eat makes you sick, the pain can keep going for hours, and only painkillers and/or surgery makes it stop. It sounds like his situation is complicated by some kind of infection, which probably makes it even more painful than mine was.

The up side is that you can now have your gallbladder removed using a scope and it's a lot easier to recover from it.

[twilight]

149. gallstones

well if you let it go and it turns into Ashcrank's apparent situation - it turns into peritonitis and yep, you will and do die very quickly if it gets bad enough.

Who know the reality behind any of this? More lies ... you betcha!



:dem: :kick:

[slinkerwink]

148. ahhh, thank god!

[MikeG]

151. You know the rapture could be starting.

[grasswire]

154. the ICU status is important

I worked in an ICU-CCU for six years. No case of pancreatitis would have been assigned there unless 1) things went very badly in surgery and the patient ended up on a ventilator or 2) some other process was present, such as cardiac trouble.

[Maddy McCall]

155. It probably has a little something to do with him being that USAG

But it could also be a VERY severe case, which CAN result in death.

"In most cases, gallstone-caused pancreatitis clears up within a week after treatment. The prognosis depends on whether the inflammation was bad enough to do serious damage to the pancreas, in turn leading to low blood pressure and damage to other organs. In very severe cases, death can occur.

There are about 80,000 cases of acute pancreatitis each year in the United States, about 20 percent of them classified as severe."


http://www.adn.com/24hour/nation/story/1185215p-8141905c.html

(Let me add that I hate this man with a passion, but I am thoroughly disgusted by some of the disturbingly inhumane death-wish posts in this thread. And, thinking politically, the last thing we need is a fundy martyr.)

[nolabels]

171. Must of been something about that Fair Trade issue

I have noticed that karma comes from the inside and the outside, and when I have incontered them widows, I use my resources to capture them, walk them out to the field and let them roam where the grass spider is king


(snip)
Spider Facts
by Justin

* spiders live in grass
* when bugs come out they grab them and pull them back down and eat them
* they are green so they can blend in with the grass
(snip)
http://www.moreland.k12.ca.us/Baker/class/lim/spiders.html

[Bridget Burke]

156. Hospital staffs tend to be quite diverse....

People of all races, religions, national origins & sexual orientations. Let's hope he has a Muslim (or Sikh) doctor & a gay nurse or two. I would expect his care team to be totally professional, skillful & compassionate.

Perhaps, in his time of pain, he might learn something.

[MrMonk]

157. Pray for his good health.

Encourage him to retire so that he can focus on his recovery.

[Dr Fate]

158. I just want him out of Washington. I wish no ill will on him personally

I hope he gets better so he can enjoy his retirement.

[daleo]

160. We all get sick and die

God and/or karma doesn't seem to do a real great job of separating the good from the bad, as far as that one goes. I guess I don't wish him pain, not that it really matters what I wish for him anyway. Once in a while people come out of these conditions a little wiser, with a little more empathy for others, but I wouldn't be money on it happening here. It would be nice if this did happen, especially in regards to medical marijuana.

I hope he doesn't use this as an inspiration to add another verse to "When the Eagle Flies" or whatever that horrible doggerel he sang was.

[ronnykmarshall]

162. Karma

[Rationality]

165. May he recover expediently

I hope he makes it through. We need him to stand in front of a court to stand against his assault on the Constitution, and his death would remove him from his liability.

[bullimiami]

169. SATAN IS CALLING HIM HOME

oh johnny boy the pipes, the pipes are calling.

were sure going to miss you.

[Carolina]

170. divine justice???

[cyr330]

176. At the risk of sound "UnChristian". . . .

I hope he is in the most severe pain a human being can suffer, and after that, I hope he reamains in constant pain with no hope of relief. I loathe him. Maybe we'll get lucky, and he'll be called home to Jesus during this hospitalization, but on second thought, he's too potent a campaign issue, so maybe I'm being too hot headed!

Maybe he'll require medical marijuana for his condition. Being the hypocrite he is, I'm sure he'd advocate marijuana for himself while outlawing it for everyone else.

[L.A.dweller]

183. Ashcroft must have suddenly realized what him

and this administration have done to the country.

[Ilsa]

193. You don't want him to suffer too much ...

if he does, Mel Gibson will have to make a movie about it.

[graywarrior]

194. Remember Michael Moore's prayer

in Stupid White Men? I've been saying it.

[Unknown Known]

195. ICU - he's in bad shape

Grasswire is correct. The ICU status is significant and means he is in extremely bad shape. From the "Merck Manual"

The need to treat severe acute pancreatitis in an ICU can frequently be determined on hospital day 1 by any of the following danger signals: hypotension, oliguria, hypoxemia, or hemoconcentration (ie, Hct > 50%, indicating severe third space losses).

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section3/chapter26/26b.jsp

[Ilsa]

197. Exactly. This is different from simple gallstones.

Pancreatitis is serious business.

I wonder if he has more or less privacy in the ICU. They may be able to control media coverage better and give him more privacy in ICU, although he may not have as much privacy compared to others there. Of course the others that are in ICU are probably too sick to notice him.

I guess we'll know more when they announce the next level of intervention.

[joeunderdog]

215. They're doing cavity searches on his roommates right now.

It's for their own good.

[Timefortruth]

203. Maybe they are just being extra cautious.

Since he can come back and destroy their lives.

[truth2power]

196. Ya know...everytime I look at that POS

I feel like I want to puke. I've felt that way for a long time.

Sorry, I just don't have it in me to feel sorry for him. If that makes me a rotten person, so be it. I feel like I've been in pain ever since the Chimp and the rest of those monsters hijacked OUR house. I don't care what happens to him.

Spare me the political correctness.

[yorgatron]

200. has GOD smote him?

i wish GOD would smite the whole bunch.please GOD,if you smite all these worthless bastards i will give up being agnostic and go to church and smash my golden calf and everything.

[scottxyz]

216. Has anyone thought that Ashcroft is a liability they need to get rid of?

Since Ashcroft certainly knows enough to be careful about flying, could it be that they're trying to get rid of him some other way?

There are probably untraceable substances which could cause the all-important pancreas to malfunction.

I've searched a bit on google out of curiosity - but I also think that if there's certain things that people make sure DON'T get on google, "perfect crime" poisons would be among them.

[Unknown Known]

222. Exactly what I thought

We're assuming that what they are telling us is what is true. This could be a case of poisoning for all we know and they're calling it pancreatitis.

Ashcroft most certainly is a liability right now especially (IMO) because of the Plame case.

[Must_B_Free]

218. A little story about the Pancreas

Had a girlfriend who's father's eyes looked a little yellow one day. He went to the hospital and was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. He was dead in about 6 weeks.

This is not good for Ashcroft.

[JoFerret]

221. Nasty, extremely painful

unlikely to be life threatening.

[T Bone]

226. i AM PRAYING THAT GOD DISPOSES OF ASHCROFT

AS HE WILL.

and i am a Christian.

[Hailtothechimp]

228. The constitution will survive Ashcroft, despite his best efforts.

I'll not be sending him any get well soon cards. But I can't wish death on him, either. Some awful pain is a different story, though.

[peacetalksforall]

231. I'm reminded of messages on Lucianne.com when I read

some of the messages in this thread.