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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:47 AM
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Khadr changes story, now says he was CIA spy - Globe and Mail
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040305.ukhad0305/BNStory/National/

Members of Toronto's Muslim community say that new revelations about the Khadrs have caused them to turn their backs on the militant Islamist Canadians, whose ranks include a rogue son who says he left the fold to become a U.S. spy.

Long a controversial family suspected of links to al-Qaeda, the Khadrs have been the subject of a two-part CBC documentary in which members spoke openly of living in a compound with Osama bin Laden, of time spent in terrorist training camps and of supporting the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. These new admissions have shattered the faith of friends and family who have long wanted to see the Khadrs as good Muslims who left Canada years ago to help Afghan widows.

"I feel betrayed," said Aly Hindy, a Toronto Muslim leader and long-time family friend. "For the first time, now I feel that CSIS was right," he told The Globe. "They are not wrong every time. This time, I was wrong and they were right."

-OK DUers, what is with this guy? I haven't touched his story with a barge pole yet due to the constantly changing story, so maybe there's an expert out there.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:49 AM
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1. this is a pretty important story
and I haven't seen it on CNN yet ...

Wonk posted a link in GD to yesterday's CBC video of the interview with family members of Khadr (I assume that link is now dead), and whirlygigspin posted a link to today's:

www.cbc.ca/MRL/clips/national/thenational.ram
"part 2 starts at 23:00 minutes into the broadcast"

Watch it while you can.


Abdulrahman Khadr originally claimed to have been released from Guantanamo in October (I think it was), and to have been told by the US authorities there that Canada did not want him (he's a naturalized citizen) and dumped in Afghanistan with no papers. He said he attempted to contact Cdn embassy officials in Pakistan and Turkey but was rebuffed by guards. He turned up in Bosnia, had his story told in Canada, and was readmitted to Canada by the embassy there. His younger brother is still in Guantanamo.

The story was huge in Canada because of allegations that the Cdn govt did nothing to help him and Cdn intelligence worked with the US agaisnt his interests. His lawyer resigned after, he said, he received death threats.

In last night's CBC interview, he recanted that entire story and told what he now says is the truth. All that stuff about the US holding him in Guantanamo and then dumping him back in Afghanistan -- all a lie.

He was working for the CIA.

One of five sons of a man believed (and I believe it) to have been an intimate of Osama bin Laden, he was captured in Afghanistan at the time of the invasion. (All the family are naturalized Canadian citizens.)

He was offered money in return for giving US authorities in Afghanistan information -- he went on a tour of the city with them, identifying people and places of interest: safe houses and so on.

They proposed that he become a prisoner in Guantanamo in order to obtain information from prisoners. Accordingly, he was treated like any other prisoner, to build and maintain his cover. His description of the flight to Guantanamo and his time there as a prisoner was wrenching; he said he was broken by the time he arrived, and of course that was just the beginning.

After a few months, he told his controllers that they had got it just about all wrong -- only about 1 in 10 of the people they were holding in Guantanamo had any reason to be there. Their big mistake had been offering reward money to people who turned in alleged Al-Qaeda members; most of the people there are there because of the reward money paid for them and nothing else.

He ultimately could not tolerate the conditions of detention any longer, and had himself removed from the general population, and was given better quarters and privileges. The CIA then proposed that he work for them in Bosnia, for regular monthly pay of $3,000. He agreed and they took him there with a false Moroccan passport, set him up, and had him mingle with the Muslim population and make reports.

Ultimately they asked him to accompany the US forces in Iraq. He was originally agreeable, and then they impressed on him the danger that this meant and he declined. They took back all the stuff they'd given him and dropped him off at the Canadian embassy. He called his grandmother in Toronto and she went to the press with the story that the Cdn authorities had been rebuffing him, and he returned to Canada.

His lawyer, Rocco Galatti, is the one who resigned alleging death threats received (a claim I never found credible). One has to wonder whether he was informed, by someone, of the truth and was therefore unable to continue representing the client in a lie.

One certainly also has to wonder what information the Cdn govt was given, and when. It has been accused, loudly and at length, of not looking out for this Cdn citizen's interests. It has been accused of exchanging intelligence with the US contrary to his interests. If Cdn intelligence *did* know the facts, it was correct to refuse to discuss anything in public, because it was bound to protect Khadr's privacy (not to mention his safety).

He is now living in Toronto and facing a divided Muslim community. His family (mother and sister in Pakistan attending to the 14-year-old brother who was paralyzed by a bullet in the firefight that killed the father) had not yet been told the whole truth when they were interviewed, but the sister said that if he had genuinely helped "the enemy", and not just pretended to in order to protect himself, she would be ashamed of him.

His position is that he is the "black sheep" son who rejected his father's exploitation and attempts to turn his children into Al-Qaeda fanatics. He resents his father hugely, and had no emotions on hearing of his death. He and his story seem credible.

Please do watch the video if you can. I looked for reports of it on CNN this morning -- after all, it is about genuine US attempts to combat terrorism (e.g. the undercover work in Bosnia) ... but it is also about the futility and wrongness of the whole Guantanamo business. Didn't see anything there.

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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:52 AM
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2. There's been so many twists in this tale that I confess I am bewildered.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:58 AM
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3. the saga

The CBC has a site devoted to the Khadr family: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/
(the main page is the report of the interview with family members aired on Wednesday; the interview with Abdulrahman Khadr was aired Thursday)

Yes, this is just a Canadian story ... except it isn't.

It's about Al Qaeda and its people -- the senior Khadr apparently (credibly) was an intimate of bin Laden during the original Afghani insurgence against the Soviets.

It's about Guantanamo, what goes on there and what justification the US has (doesn't have) for holding the people it has there.

It's about genuine intelligence efforts by the CIA and others, to learn about and counteract terrorist networks worldwide, doing the kinds of things that intelligence agencies are *supposed* to do (i.e. not invade small irrelevant foreign countries).

And it's a damned fascinating story!

Anything in the US media?

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:58 AM
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4. It's MUST SEE TV and it vanishes from the CBC website tonight
See it while you can.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:43 PM
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5. a gentle kick

... maybe it's the headline ... just looks like one o' them pointless Canadian threads. But see? It says **CIA***!

I understand people not commenting. But I hope some are reading, and watching the video. Stuff worth knowing, really.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:54 PM
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6. rebroadcasts on Cdn TV

(As Lisa reported in the GD thread)

For those who get CBC Newsworld (not Newsworld International, unfortunately) -- rebroadcasts:

3:30 Saturday afternoon
6:30 Sunday evening

(Anybody not in the EST timezone should check; I'm not sure how Newsworld staggers its programming across the country -- although I assume Lisa was reporting Pacific time.)

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:11 PM
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7. info was from the main CBC site ... could be Eastern times?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 06:18 PM by Lisa
One thing about being on the west coast -- we can sometimes see things twice (they re-run some popular shows for us).

http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/schedule/dailySchedule.jsp?network=CBC%20Newsworld

A very informative documentary. That part where he tried to convince the CIA people that most of the Gitmo detainees didn't know anything (and likely had just been turned in for the reward money) -- chilling.


The whole situation is murky and bewildering. And yet, that's what makes this account credible. If I got swept up in some international incident, I'd have the same ambivalent, confused feeling as Abdulrahman did, I bet. The people who start off sounding the most certain -- the mom and sister -- through their own words, end up sounding the most ignorant.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:28 PM
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8. clever cbc
I think it can tell where you are when you request a schedule. ;)

When I asked to see other time zones, I found that it new where I was asking from.

I didn't see the first instalment, so I'll be watching on Saturday. The little I saw of the mother & sister in the second instalment -- yes, the sister seem very articulate. It's sure annoying to watch a TV interview with a woman whose eyes are the only thing showing though ... there's something about those actual drapes hung over the bridge of the nose that is just extra offensive. (Hey, I'll defend to the death their right to wear the damned things -- but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of them.) Images of Michael Jackson (who got pulled over the other day for shopping at WalMart in a ski mask ...) dance in one's head. No, really, images of a woman with some pretty obnoxious ideas and a petty clothing affectation, indulging both on national television, are what I really saw.

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:39 PM
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9. aha, our tax dollars at work!
I stand corrected. I didn't even think of checking around to look at the other time zones. They did promise on the National broadcast that they would be showing it again, twice, on the weekend ... and usually they aim for the afternoon or evening, to net the biggest audience.

The first installment is very good, Iverglas. I would offer to tape it for you just in case, but my VCR is en route to a friend on the Queen Charlottes (her hubby got theirs in the divorce, and she's going stir-crazy for lack of entertainment).

I found, after I got used to the garments, that the eyes were very revealing -- the daughter especially was acting like a typical teenager, rolling her eyes etc. -- which is why I was a bit surprised to find that she's actually older. Just not that mature, I guess! I think you pretty well summed it up with "affectation" ... the whining and selfishness made Abdulrahman seem like the voice of reason. And when I was hoping that the mother would intervene with a sensible comment, she goes right off the deep end! An Anglo-Iranian co-worker caught part of the broadcast, and was so appalled that she changed channels. She's still fuming over that bald assertion that it's better for women to have no education at all than one that might be "contaminated".

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