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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:25 AM
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Bush Supporters Defend His New Ads (Using human remains as political tool)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20040305/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_political_ads

WASHINGTON - Supporters of President Bush (news - web sites) and some relatives of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks are defending his new campaign ads, which show the wreckage of the World Trade Center.

One ad shows the charred wreckage of the Twin Towers with an American flag flying amid the debris. Another — and a Spanish-language version of it — use that image and one of firefighters carrying a flag-draped stretcher.

"It's absolutely inappropriate," said Colleen Kelly, who lost her brother, Bill Kelly Jr., and leads Peaceful Tomorrows, a group for victims' families. "There are certain memories and certain images that I consider sacred."

Kristen Breitweiser, of Middletown Township, N.J., whose husband, Ronald, died in the World Trade Center, said Bush should not use the tragedy as "political propaganda."


"Three thousand people were murdered on President Bush's watch," she said.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:36 AM
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1. 'Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Bush's "leadership on that day..."'
'Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Bush's "leadership on that day is central to his record"'

By jingo, I agree with that!
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:48 AM
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5. Since when is slinking around like a coward "leadership"?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:56 AM
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6. Uh....I shoulda used a smiley or something
Cuz we're on the same page, amigo.

:thumbsup:
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:51 AM
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13. lol, hit it right on the head
I wonder if Rudy meant it that way
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:07 PM
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67. Should Help His VP Chances When Cheney Resigns
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:13 PM
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73. Does anybody remember, watching CNN on September 11th
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 04:13 PM by calimary
seeing one of the (female, I believe) anchors, as the dreadful day wore on, saying right into the camera "WHERE is the president?" That's while he was still AWOL - flying all over the Sunbelt looking for a place to hide, with his handlers making excuses that the White House had been a terrorist target (story later debunked)? It's one of my clearest and most jarring memories of that day. I didn't watch anything other than CNN all day. And when I wasn't directly in front of the TV, it was always on, and within earshot so I could hear what was said. I will never, as long as I live, forget that - "WHERE is the president?" I know it wasn't Aaron Brown although I think he mentioned it in passing, that "we're still waiting to hear from the president blah-blah-blah in that folksy anchor-style of his. But I'm almost positive it was a female anchor. Don't remember whom. But I will NEVER forget the words that were uttered.

Does anybody else remember that, or who said that?
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:21 PM
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93. Paula Zahn maybe??
n/t
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:40 AM
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2. "a flag draped stretcher" - now why doesn't mr. bush
use "a flag draped body bag" from Dover, DE - after all, isn't this a defining moment in our history?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:20 AM
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22. Seeing that snippet on Bush's ad...
...brings back the feelings it gave me when seeing it on the news, night after night. The flag covering the crushed body up the long ramp leading out of the hole...

God damn them for using that same footage...
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:21 AM
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23. I'm with you there
It is the height of hypocrisy that Bush would prevent flag draped coffins from being shown to American people but would allow a flag draped body of a firefighter to be used in his campaign commercial. Also, Bush refuses to testify before the 9/11 commission.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:22 AM
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24. they're not body bags anymore
they have been renamed "transfer tubes"
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:39 PM
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32. I know - it's just that the American public
isn't even aware of that. Our government places orders for transfer tubes, not body bags and no one notices.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:40 AM
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3. a guest on CNN just reported that
their first choice was to run clips of junior's Nat'l Guard days, but . . .

They couldn't find any

Another guest responded that they have no issues to put in the ad, so they "wrap themselves in a flag"

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:45 AM
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4. Late at night at the Bush home in Bellaire...
Poppy has got to be shaking his head wondering how the hell his disfunctional son got this far.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:04 AM
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7. along with the rest of us n/t
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:11 AM
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10. I think he already knows
Since he paid for it (his son's presidency).
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:11 AM
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19. The money got his disfunctional son where he is
despite his being disfuntional.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:07 AM
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8. At least these human shields
involuntary or not, are safe on celluloid.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:08 AM
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9. Ya don't say
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 09:08 AM by Concerned GA Voter
I believe a couple of us predicted this in another thread..

Any comments, beetwasher? :P
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:45 AM
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11. Bush has become Greg Stillson from "The Dead Zone"
Using dead bodies to shield himself as Stillson used a child was not very smart. Funny thing is that Stillson was a Republican too in the book. This was a big mistake.

Don

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:50 AM
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12. Rove's bad calculations.
Those remains are not Republican remains. They are human remains.
That flag is not a Republican flag. It is the American flag.
Ground Zero is not a Republican symbol. It is an American symbol.

For Bush to use them as partisan tools for his reelection is inhumane and un-American.

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hillary Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:58 AM
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14. This poll says
The freepers think it is perfectly acceptable PR
http://www.aroundrr.com/Poll/index.asp
Been watching this poll this morning, as soon as the freepers posted it, it went from 68% inappropriate, down to 21% in about 40 minutes.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:04 AM
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15. yeah, hit pretty hard
by the rethugs:

What do you think of President Bush’s campaign ad using images from the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

Inappropriate and insensitive to the surviving family of 9/11 victims
(18.4%)


Appropriate for an election about public policy and the war on terror
(79.4%)


Not sure
(2.2%)


Total Votes: 20662




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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:05 AM
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16. Welcome to DU, hillary!
:toast:

The sad souls smell defeat on their boy. Personally, I enjoy their desperation. :)

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:11 AM
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18. The poll is freepable...
I just tested it by voting twice (and only twice). Do you have a link to the FreeRepublic thread? I'm going to contact the RR webmaster and tell him his poll is being freeped...
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hillary Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:15 AM
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20. Link
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:43 PM
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27. Thanks, Hillary!
Just sent an email to aroundrr.com. Newsweek busted FreeRepublic a few weeks ago when they were caught freeping one of their polls.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:55 PM
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33. Haw! They took down the poll!
I emailed aroundrr.com and they responded, thanking me for the "heads-up." They've since removed the poll. Freepers are aware that we blew them in to aroundrr.com:

To: drq
Uhoh... The DUmmies are going to tattle:
Straight from DUmmy Land:


18. The poll is freepable... I just tested it by voting twice (and only twice). Do you have a link to the FreeRepublic thread? I'm going to contact the RR webmaster and tell him his poll is being freeped...


128 posted on 03/05/2004 8:29:05 AM PST by RogerWilko
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hillary Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:39 PM
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43. They've moved on,
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:47 PM
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44. Congrats to you and alg0912!
Every little byte helps!

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:52 PM
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45. We'll bust them there too...
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:55 PM by alg0912
Not on the German poll (my German is rusty), but on the WTNH poll - I sent them the FR thread link to the WTNH webmaster... :thumbsup:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:09 PM
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69. Last entry at this time
To: RichInOC
why can't i vote on this poll anymore?
144 posted on 03/05/2004 11:57:01 AM PST by gwb911
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 143 | View Replies >

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hillary Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:15 PM
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75. They "won" that one
They are now freeping polls in "liberal" CT and Germany of all places. See my last post.
Too pathetic
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:12 PM
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90. The CT poll has been pulled...
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 06:17 PM by alg0912
I wrote the webmaster (sent him the FR link) & he wrote back and told me they pulled it because of the freeping! :D

DU - 2
freepers - 0
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:09 AM
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17. 9/11 = AWOL's Biggest Failure and they want to remind us of it?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 11:11 AM by bushisanidiot
I think it's hilarious how stupid the repukes are. Obviously, President Dumbass was asleep at the wheel on 9/11. He was told about the first plane hitting the 1st tower before he even went into that elementary school. Why the hell didn't he take action as COMMANDER IN CHIEF to intercept the other planes? He had ample time to do somehting, but sat on his fat ass instead.. then when things really got out of control, President Pussy ran to AF1 and hid from the world! Then the going get's tough, President Pussy jumps on Air Farce One!

This is leadership? uh, HELL no!



This president doesn't have the 'nads to lead and protect us!! Get him the hell out of the white house!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:18 AM
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21. Bush is an intelligence failure.
Why, he didn't know planes could be used as weapons, even after a plane was used as a weapon! /sarcasm off
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:27 AM
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25. My Take As Well BIAI
Does everyone forget that, despite their attempts to blame Clinton, this happened on Georgie's watch?!?!?!?

They're reminding everyone that this happened while he was in charge.

Of course, the bushbots say "We haven't been attacked since." To this i say, there have been three cases of U.S. proper being attacked by a foreign agency since 1941. Japan, the first WTC bombing, and 9/11. That three in 60 years! So, why would we be surprised that nothing else has happened in 2.5 years. The odds of being attacked again, even if we didn't react at all, within 30 months, is slim at best.

Add that to my belief that this was al Qaeda's grand play, and basically Georgie has done nothing to make anybody safer.

Last point: Reiterating others here, exactly what leadership is Giuliani talking about?

I hope the Dems have the spine to point out these obvious flaws in this political strategy.
The Professor
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:28 AM
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26. The More They Are on The Defensive, The Better!
Let them keep defending the indefensible. This is great, it just gives the 9/11 families and the Firemen an open door and a bigger platform to blast Bush on his failures.

The Chimp's opening salvo in the election has turned out to be a PR disaster and they are now on the defensive about it! Ha Ha!
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:03 PM
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28. Hey, Tweety called them "brilliant"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:03 PM
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64. Tweety is SO dumb, he thought the aircraft carrier landing was brilliant
and that Kerry could never match Bush with photo ops like that. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:04 PM
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29. Can't call it unexpected...
Really, we all expected Bush to prance all over these graves. I'm shocked, but not surprised. More than anything, I'm relieved to see other Americans offended by his crass commercialization...maybe there is hope, after all.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:09 PM
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30. If this is acceptable
The Democrats should run ads with photos of dead soldier's caskets and clips of dead and maimed Iraqi civilians.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:29 PM
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:57 PM
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34. I feel outrage at your short-sightedness
My outrage isn't "canned"....it's legitimate and I am outraged that you find no problem with such ads. If Gore had done it I would be outraged as well. These people have stepped over a decencey line in order to keep their power.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:23 PM
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42. Well, you ARE all over the timing of this.
Using 9/11 in campaign ads is despicable. Nothing you can say will change that.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:05 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:08 PM
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47. Bullshit
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 03:09 PM by Beetwasher
Clinton/Gore didn't exploit the OK City Bombing or the victims of the first WTC bombing and they would not have done so with 9/11. That's my evidence that they wouldn't have exploited the 9/11 tragedy, since they never did, when they could have. What's YOUR evidence that they would have expoloited it?

My outrage is real and your dismissal of righteous anger is despicable.

Get a clue.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:29 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:33 PM
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52. None Of Your Business
If you can't handle the word bullshit then you don't belong on a public discussion board.

I notice you don't answer my points. Figures. How pathetic.
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Conscience Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:43 PM
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55. point? WHAT POINT!
I acknowledged your outrage... You have yet to make a point OR respond to the points in my post. I thought the canned outrage written the day prior to the ads being released by a paper known for it's liberal editorial viewpoint was a sloppy exercise in "hatchet job" politics. A clever operative could have done a much better job. Parading out known Democratic activists out as "outraged" victims is as bad as what the GOP did by putting out the spots in the first place. If you can't defend your viewpoint with logic how do expect to convince undecided voter that Kerry is less despicable than Bush? Lets face it, despite all of the rage felt toward Bush we shouldn't loose site of Kerry's obvious "warts" and anticipate that the other side will exploit them. Discussing poor strategy is a way to avoid the same mistake in the future.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:52 PM
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58. You're Not Paying Attention
Clinton/Gore didn't exploit the OK City Bombing or the victims of the first WTC bombing and they would not have done so with 9/11. That's my evidence that they wouldn't have exploited the 9/11 tragedy, since they never did, when they could have. What's YOUR evidence that they would have expoloited it?

That's called a point. You can dismiss it as irrelevant, but that's only because you're being intellectually dishonest.

Parading around Dem activists as outraged victims? Yeah, ok, whatever...That's not a point, that's an opinion and you have no evidence to back it up, except your ignorant opinion that their outrage is phony. That's ignorant. Did you lose anyone on 9/11? If not, you need to shut the fuck up.

I have evidence that a Dem admin. would not have done it, because they DIDN'T exploit tragedy for political gain when they could have. All you have is your ignorant opinion and blithe dismissal of the outrage of the victims of the tragedy and the firemen. You can call them Dem activists, but they weren't all Dem activists until Bush decided to block the 9/11 investigation and cut funding for first responders. Bush TURNED them into Dems activists.

To dismiss the victims families' outrage and feelings as mere political opportunism is as cynical as despicable as it gets. It's pathetic too if that's the best you've got.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:05 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:11 PM
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71. So What?
It's not like the ads were produced the day they came out...Provide evidence that there was some sort of coordination between the 9/11 families and the Democrats. What are you some sort of conspiracy nut?

The ads started running but were produced and shown to the families much earlier...Duh!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:19 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:24 PM
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80. Let Me Educate You
The first time the public sees the ads is NOT the first time they are shown.

The press ALL get copies way before they are aired and I'm sure the 9/11 families were able to view them probably weeks before they aired. So some reporters did their jobs and asked what the families thought and published the stories to coincide with the airing of the ads. So what? That's when the story makes sense.

Very simple really. No conspiracy. And you act as if it's unusual that the NYDN and NYT would run with story. Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble, but the NYT and NYDN are two of the biggest papers in NY and guess what, this is a big deal in NY.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:30 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:33 PM
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84. LOL!
What's the matter, did you realize how stupid it is to think that the first time everyone in the world sees a TV ad is the day it's aired? LOL!
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:15 PM
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101. You are destroying this guy lol.
This whole "fake outrage" thing is so desperate.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:59 AM
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109. moderate?
So you're a moderate?

I thought by your baiting, patronizing posts that you were a prick.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:11 PM
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100. We have known about the ads for some time.
This is not breaking news it has been discussed all week. I know they don't read well at free republic but you will find most DUers keep up with current events so sell it somewhere else.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:54 PM
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59. Seriously
Conscience, I woudln't bother with this guy...he's angry at everyone. He and I had a little back-and-forth in a thread yesterday...the point I made was that true Bush supporters aren't likely to turn away from him over this stunt. It's funny that he didn't apologize to me once this thread popped up. Anyway, he's a victim, he's always right, and everyone else is wrong. Save yourself some time...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:56 PM
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60. I Get Angry When People Dismiss the Victims of 9/11
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 03:57 PM by Beetwasher
as political opportunists. You should think twice about who you defend.

Why should I apologize to you when you defend ignorance?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:11 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:16 PM
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77. At Least You Admit Your Ignorant
It's a start.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #60
85. They're really coming out of the woodwork, aren't they?
So early in the campaign & their best shot has already missed the target.

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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #60
95. You should apologize...
For getting irate at NOTHING and putting words in people's mouths. You intentionally misunderstand anyone who disagrees with you, just so you can be combative. I hope you don't treat your family and friends this way when they disagree with you. That is, assuming you have any friends.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:18 PM
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102. I have had nothing but positive experiences with Beetwasher.
He is one of the best posters on DU and certainley no troll, wink wink.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #95
110. Nope
You don't deserve an apology, you've defended ignorant morons and by association, that makes you, well...If your too sensitive to take people disagreeing w/ you when you spew bullshit, then you don't belong here...
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Conscience Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #59
70. Save yourself some time...
I am coming to the same conclusion. I was looking for some spirited discussion not profanity laced tirades. Thanks a load!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:18 PM
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78. Spirited Discussion is What You Got
Not my problem you've got virgin ears. Welcome to the real world where people use profanity.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:26 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:29 PM
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82. I Could Care Less What You Think
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 04:31 PM by Beetwasher
If you have a problem w/ profanity too fucking bad.

Talk about igorance. You think that a TV ad is first seen by everyone in the world the day it airs on TV. Now THAT'S ignorant!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:05 PM
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35. yes, thanks for the insider insight
but I think I already knew what the right will do to this--they are completely despicable.

Watching the commercials I get the same nauseous feeling I had watching the Shrub stand on the ruins with the bullhorn. This insensitive, self absorbed man has no honor.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:13 PM
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:13 PM
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36. Wasn't so much an endorsement as a hope that
Bush* gets defeated in November.

That means he shares that view with the VAST majority of the people of the world, and free-thinking people of the US.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:17 PM
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:01 PM
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86. Have I lost my mind???? No, but have you lost your glasses?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 05:04 PM by Ravy
I said, free thinking people of the US.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:21 PM
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41. Show Me The Campaign Ads Of Clinton Exploiting OK Bombing Dead
They don't exist because Clinton/Gore knew it would have been tasteless to politicize it.

Get a clue.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:23 PM
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:34 PM
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53. 9/11 was a declaration of war?
Then what was the first WTC attack? Clinton didn't use that as a PR stunt to get re-elected. Why not? Perhaps because he understood the attack for what it was and dealt with it. He didn't incite fear and terror into the citizens of the country and use it as a blanket to wrap himself and his party in. Take 9/11 away and what does Bush have? Nothing, nada, zilch. He's a "war president" because he and his minions have made him into a war president. He used 9/11 and the innocents who died that day to prop up his regime and he will try to use them to get himself re-elected. That is just downright shameless.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:51 PM
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:25 PM
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94. People like Chimpy don't steal elections for honorable reasons
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 07:25 PM by NNN0LHI
Know what I mean?

Don

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
105. Wow you really have a lot to learn
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 11:28 PM by Sterling
"Do you believe that ANYONE serving in the highest elected office in the country could even think the way you allege?"

The real world is really gonna surprise you when you grow up.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:37 PM
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54. Nope
Apples and oranges just because you say so?

Better plug your virgin ears because once again I say that's bullshit.

It's easy to just blithely dismiss relevant points without addressing them. Republicans do it all the time.

I hope more people watch and pay attention to the issue. It gives the 9/11 families and the firemen a great reason to slam the admin. for blocking the 9/11 investigation and cutting emergency response funding. Everyone should know about that and they will because the dimwit opened the door wide open w/ his disgusting exploitation.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:58 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:03 PM
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63. The Dimwit Diminishes the Office All on His Own
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 04:03 PM by Beetwasher
If you don't like, too bad for you.

Not only is he a dimwit (cover your virgin ears), he's an un-elected douchebag, cocksucking piece of shit.

I'm an anonymous nobody on an internet discussion board. I have no crediblity to begin with and I could care less. What I do or say has no relevance to Johnny Lunchbucket. Thanks for your service. You realize you served to protect my right to say whatever I want about the Chimp squatting in the WH don't you?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:08 PM
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:16 PM
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76. When You Address My Points
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 04:17 PM by Beetwasher
We can have a discussion. So far, all you've done is dismiss the 9/11 victims as political opportunists...

Actually, you agree w/ my points. Oh well, seems like we did have a discussion and you did agree w/ me.

"You make a good point:
I hope more people watch and pay attention to the issue. It gives the 9/11 families and the firemen a great reason to slam the admin. for blocking the 9/11 investigation and cutting emergency response funding."

I didn't digress, you were the one who included your service to this country and started talking about me calling Bush a dimwit. Digression, thy name is you.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:35 PM
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106. I don't think you came out so good here, lol.
You made it very clear you have a fundamental misunderstanding of modern media and have gone way out of your way to excuse the GOP for these ads and have gone way out of your way to insult families of the victims of 9-11.


That will never win you many friends here or any other forum where objective rational people gather.

You actually thought no one had seen the ads before they aired. Lol! Scary that you have such a strong opinion without being familiar with the facts.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
88. Boo hoo hoo!!
I'm a combat infantry vet myself. If you can't handle somebody calling GW Bush a dimwit, you don't belong on a political discussion board. Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't respect the King the way you respect the President. It's a free country and we can call the President names all day long. I'm sure you were defending Clinton from personal attack during his term, right? For some reason I doubt that very much.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:57 PM
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99. He's just so easy to hate....
>>Do you really think all the bush hating is going to sell to Johnny Lunchbucket?


Sure, since Mr. Luncbicket's job now resides in China.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:22 PM
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103. OKC was a "supposed" domestic terrorist attack
Let me guess it was Iraqi secret agents right? Wow so transparent. Tell me who was responsible for the OKC bomb?
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:26 PM
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104. Wel lthey are paying attention to their bad taste so we win.
Most people who are not assholes are offended by this stunt. Rubbing the Neo Con morons noses in it is the right thing to do. They need to be called to the carpet for this.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:14 PM
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74. I wonder whose remains are beneath that American flag in the ad?
Or doesn't it matter to BushCo. Just some good footage for them to use. What issue exactly is being defined by holding aloft the remains of the dead and saying, "Vote for me." That's not defining an issue, that's exploiting the dead.

And how come it is disrespectful to allow the news to show flag draped coffins being carried off of airplanes at Dover, but it's "tasteful" to show flag draped remains carried out in a political ad?

These people are disgusting filth and anyone who apologizes or makes excuses for them has given their allegience to a politician over their country.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:14 PM
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37. Families press Bush to pull 9/11 ads
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Families who lost relatives in the September 11, 2001, attacks have pressed President George W. Bush's re-election campaign to stop running political ads that use images of the devastated World Trade Centre to show him as a strong leader in troubled times.

"As a firefighter who spent months at Ground Zero, it's deeply offensive to see the Bush campaign use these images to capitalise on the greatest American tragedy of our time," New York firefighter Tom Ryan said at a news conference on Friday.

The Bush campaign began running television ads on Thursday, in battleground states, in the opening salvo of a long campaign ahead of the November 2 presidential election. Two ads referred to the hijacked airliner attacks that killed about 3,000 as the Bush campaign seeks to portray him as a resolute leader.

<snip>

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=470461§ion=news
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
66. Americans Should Press the Networks NOT to Air The Ads.....
Please, CBS did not air the MoveOn ad, they are not required to run the Republican ads. The networks could simply state that their viewers find them offensive.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:15 PM
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38. Best counter ad I can think of
Roll the film of Bush Jr. showing "leadership" when informed that America was under attack.

5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #38
87. Here's my version of that
film --

Let it load and pass it around..

see link below.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:11 PM
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89. It is sad to watch isn't it?
I think it moves a bit slow. I've found the actual video quite effective.

I come across Bush Worshipers on discussion boards who think that the story about Bush just sitting there is a "Liberal Media Myth" (Not that I can find ANY mention of the event in the media). I post the link to the Booker video and they just drop out if the discussion.


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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:15 PM
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39. Nothing from these vile and despicable people surprises me.
nt
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:46 PM
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56. An Unexpected Negative for the WH* is the
drumbeat from the widows. I watched Kristin Breitweiser and several others last night and this morning on T.V. Each time they repeatedly say how bush* stonewalled the investivation into Sept. 11 and is still not cooperating completely. I would hazard a guess most TV watching Amerikans had never heard that before. Go Kristin!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:01 PM
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62. Imagine if Bill Clinton had used the Oklahoma bombing victims in ads
for re-election in 96.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:26 PM
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91. WTF?
"Do you believe that ANYONE serving in the highest elected office in the country could even think the way you allege?"

Welcome to the Twilight Zone.

“George W. Bush is a dullard lacking any moral constraints in his pursuit of gain, loyal to no principle save the comfort of the very rich, unburdened by any thoughtful consideration of the national interest, and a man who, on those occasions when he actually does make a correct decision, does so almost by accident."

Jonathan Chait of the New Republic

” More concisely, “George
Bush is a craven, lazy, hypocritical nitwit.”

James Traub in the New York Times Magazine,

“I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes.” GW Bush
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savistocate Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. "conscience" -what could bring a..
person of "moderate" mind-set calling him-herself "Conscience". Then goes about dismissing direct victims
of a disaster as the persons doing the exploiting here. Rejecting
that experience of loss, of seeing loved ones die a monstrous death before your eyes as not genuine. Unconscionable and disgusting. No "moderate" I've ever known observes reality and concludes this off the mark.

The bubble dwellers of this administration aren't capable of one moments empathy for any awareness other than their power and keeping it ..to further build on the mega-value of their investments. If ever abuse of power in pursit of personal gain
was/is more audacious blatant -------!!!!!
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:37 PM
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107. Sick isn't it?
"Then goes about dismissing direct victims
of a disaster as the persons doing the exploiting here. Rejecting
that experience of loss, of seeing loved ones die a monstrous death before your eyes as not genuine."

Tombstone anyone?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:42 PM
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92. The Pet Goat
The best response I can think of to an ad like this, is to repeat "The Pet Goat".
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:52 PM
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96. "Human Remains as Political Tool" ! That's Brilliant, Don!
We should all incorporate this language immediately when referring to this ad. :thumbsup:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:51 PM
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98. It's tasteless, but don't get mad at me...blame the guy who was in charge
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Wendigo Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:28 AM
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108. Here's an ad...
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:25 PM
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111. The Dems should respond with the EXACT same footage....
...with a different voiceover:

"Most intelligence experts agree that this horrible tragedy could have been prevented if bush* had simply implemented the anti-terrorist recommendations given to him by the Democrats. If you are truly concerned about National Security, vote DEMOCRATIC in 2004. It is too important to leave in the hands of the republicans....
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