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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:25 PM Original message |
911 caller in Gates arrest never referred to 'black suspects' |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, gee--the policeman didn't tell the truth? |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. not only that |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. High noon on a deep porch--no one is going to be able to tell "race" from the sidewalk. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. How many cars do you need? Depends. How many will REALLY intimidate Gates? |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
271. Oddly enough, TV coverage has not really focus on this since these breakthroughs |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #271 |
277. Well, you gotta understand - |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #277 |
282. and if Michael Jackson were white, it would still be on tv 24/7 |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
191. gee - what a surprise - police LYING... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #191 |
214. We've already been told that, actually! |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Wouldn't the first police question on the phone be: what do they look like? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. She is asked and says she doesn't know, when pressed, says maybe hispanic |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. ahhh. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Whalen is Portguese . . . and her lawyer says might be described . . . |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. She's given the holy trinity of choices--black, white, hispanic? by the dispatcher. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
150. Weren't you or one of your buddies condemning |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #150 |
182. Weren't you praising the cop, who it turns out, LIED in his police report? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. So then you were condemming the witness? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #193 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #193 |
241. Those who condemned the witness did so only bc they believed the police |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #241 |
297. Perhaps... |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:20 AM Response to Reply #193 |
247. well |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #247 |
298. I don't mock. I point out those who fly off the handle. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #298 |
329. You don't have much self awareness. The mockery in your posts speaks for itself. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #247 |
360. The thing is, his assertions are false. He can't prove his point because |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #193 |
255. Grow up and stop following me around. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #255 |
299. I haven't hit the alert button on you yet, my dear. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #299 |
312. Yes you have--or one of your alter egos did. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #312 |
315. Paranoid much, MADem? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #315 |
318. You're an expert on the condition, is that it? You're sure an expert on a lot of things! |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #318 |
323. Since we're all being experts here... ;D |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #323 |
328. I don't follow the flock, either. But I call ALL sides on their leaps to conclusions. You do so |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #328 |
331. You just jumped to an unfounded conclusion. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #323 |
330. Fascinating, what some people enjoy. Not much of a life, is that it? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #330 |
334. And now you're an expert on what every one else thinks? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #334 |
339. Naaah. Just on what you think, because you're so transparent. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #339 |
340. Tell me everything! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #340 |
341. But....but....you're a know-it-all! You already KNOW everything! nt |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #341 |
346. I'm still waiting for your assessment. Got nothing? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #346 |
353. But you already know everything! You're the arbiter of all knowledge. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #353 |
357. I'm still waiting... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #357 |
359. Yes, you are, aren't you? Where are your little friends? Aren't you lonely? nt |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #359 |
363. I'm still waiting for your reply. Can't do it, can you? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #363 |
364. You already know my reply. You know it ALL. You always have. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #364 |
365. But that's your line, sweetie. :D |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #365 |
366. Sweetie, no one can tell you anything. You know it all. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #366 |
367. When I argue with the GOPiggies they employ the same tactic that you're |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #367 |
368. I'm shocked that you argue with them. You've so much in common. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #368 |
369. Really? Tell me all about it if you can. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #369 |
371. I can. But you're a know it all, you already know. nt |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #369 |
372. Thanks. You just failed, lightweight. I'm bookmarking |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #193 |
362. If the cop didn't lie, that wouldn't have happened. Remember, 80% believed bush about WMDs!! |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #150 |
215. Is your ID from 'Dune'? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #215 |
256. I can tell you where he pulled his EGO from. nt |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #256 |
301. My aren't you a silly one. :D |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #301 |
332. You know all about that, I'm sure, little master. nt |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oopsie!!11 |
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MrsBrady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
209. the officer did seem a bit smug to me. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. Looks like that Crowley guy is a lying sack of shit... |
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It Cant Just Be Me (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
114. Funny |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
216. Well that's just not possible G II, because Mass. cops don't do stuff |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. Jackass fabricated the police report |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Oh, I think a lot of the people who were crawling up the asses of those who objected to Gates' |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what Walen did. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Very true, and she did not do it because of the race of the two men. But the cop made up.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
181. Why do you put that in your subject line, like you're suggesting I found something "wrong" with what |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #181 |
208. I was agreeing with you. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #208 |
210. OK--no prob. It came across like you were suggesting I was being |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Of course! |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. They're here, using "unrecommend" feature n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. The sneaky "Un-rec" ... eh? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
202. There's seventy seven recs (so far) to overcome. NT |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. has paulsby crawled out and said anything since the 911 tapes & such came out? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Still around here somewhere . . . |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. for a moment, I thought you were series ... |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Its the 911 tape, not 9/11 tape, and it's the call to the Cambridge police about Gates..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
171. Thanks . . . |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #171 |
180. That's basically what was heard on the police tape (not the 911 call) tape.... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
77. +10 |
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gopiscrap (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
309. We need to get a petition going to |
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hamsterjill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. Crowley doing a little CYA |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
107. Yes its those "SCARY BLACK MEN" once again |
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It Cant Just Be Me (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:58 PM Original message |
Bad Cop. |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
152. Welcome to DU! |
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It Cant Just Be Me (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. Bad Cop. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:25 PM Original message |
Charles Stuart case once again? Is Crowley going to jump off a bridge? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
319. The cops in the Stuart case did not jump off a bridge. What's your point? |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #319 |
344. My POINT was that a crime was committed and then blamed on some mythical black man.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
242. Claiming the perps had been identified to him as "black" is a lot more |
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hamsterjill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #242 |
295. Exactly. And thank you. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #242 |
356. According to the police communications and Crowley's own report... |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. Whoa! This is sure going to fire up the questions regarding the veracity of |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
71. Which version of his police report? The first or the second? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. What was first thought to be two versions of the same report by Sgt. Crowley... |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why did her attorney feel the need to say this? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. The lawyer said that because Crowley referred to Whalen |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Well, she is White.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. My comment was in response to the question |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
84. They break it down by white, black or Hispanic. |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
112. so there are no Asians? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #112 |
238. I was going to comment on that, but I decided to let the 911 dispatcher's assumptions |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
131. Pretty surprising, considering it's the racist Boston area, that they included "white"!!! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #131 |
239. Is it? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
206. She says she's not white. You want to argue with her? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #206 |
269. She sounds like a lot of fake Native Americans |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #269 |
279. You have apparently never been to Massachusetts |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #279 |
281. Sure I have... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #269 |
338. Um, that was her attorney speaking, not her. And maybe the subject |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #338 |
348. Just a thought.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #269 |
342. Well, she's not a fake Native American. She's of Portuguese extraction |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #342 |
347. My Sicilian father is olive-skinned... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #347 |
349. You might do well not to decide for other people what they are. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #349 |
350. Not anyone's choice.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #350 |
351. What denial? Crowley never interviewed her. And the errors |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #351 |
354. The whole thing is odd.... |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Because she's being harassed and crucified for things she NEVER said... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. THAT Is the Story in a Nutshell |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
176. Portuguese IS Hispanic. Nice attorney. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #176 |
194. NO it is not. It is Portugese. Spain is hi"Spani"c as in Spanish. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:01 AM Response to Reply #194 |
245. Most use "Hispanic" for Spanish-speaking peoples and their descendants, not only |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #194 |
308. Try explaining that to The Portuguese Consolate here in Providence. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #176 |
246. LOL. Now, we're going to slam the attorney for absolutely nothing? She never said Whalen was not |
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Startup (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
370. I found that very bizarre as well. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. And who the heck is "this older woman?" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. The older woman is the one who got Whalen to call. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #72 |
267. And why didn't this mysterious "older woman" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #267 |
337. She didn't call and tell me. And she is not all that mysterious. Whalen mentions her on the 911 |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
115. they were breaking in |
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HisTomness (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
158. What's your address? I'll bring my luggage. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #158 |
237. The door was never "busted down." When Gates and the limo driver could not open it, Gates |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #115 |
235. I don't fault the neighbor or Whalen. They are not experts. I'd want my neighbors |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
17. Any moment now, DU's resident flatfoot will be along to patrol this thread and crack virtual heads. |
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HisTomness (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
159. What does he do? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. He's not a mod, just a poster who DEMANDS UNCONDITIONAL RESPECT for ALL police. |
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HisTomness (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. Ahhh - got it! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is not about race. It's about police who feel that they do not have to obey the law to enforce |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Watch out! The last time I said that about this case, DU'ers piled on to insist it WAS about race |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. the facts are now out.. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I mean, It's not ONLY about race, IMHO. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. It's about a racist cop looking for an opportunity to arrest a "black" man . . . |
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cyndensco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. ...who, in the process, acted stupidly... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
80. Glad you cleared that up, otherwise you were about to get a few of the |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
97. You say that it's not ONLY about race |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. No, they're not really out fully yet |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
92. you'll dance when i fuckin tell you to dance |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
156. OK - It's about race! And this is what's particularly disturbing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #156 |
172. Yep ..... and I can't wait to hear the APOLOGY from the Cambridge police dept now . .. !!! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #156 |
200. +100 |
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klebean (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #156 |
285. thx for making this very important point. nt. |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
118. You make valid points |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
273. i think its both. i think when cops see people of color, their entitlement to be extra forceful |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #273 |
320. That's true of racist cops, but I would not impute racism to all cops. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. its true of most cops even those who arent overtly racist. racism to a degree is like sexism |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. Mmm, somebody's lying: |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. not sure what you're implying, since crowley's report of what she said is what is in dispute |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It remains to be seen... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. but my point is you can't use crowley's report in and of itself to say whalen is lying |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
76. The 911 call supports this woman. She was very precise. She said two |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
91. Again, most of the incident occurred inside Gates's home. Crowley kept |
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HisTomness (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
161. That's an interesting detail |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #161 |
234. Crowley's police report--the one written the day of the event. And the |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. I was presenting evidence of what Crowley said |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. But there is one irrefutable "witness" - the tape! Crowley probably blew his police pension... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Supposedly, few people ever get prosecuted for perjury. I'm guessing the same is true of filing |
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It Cant Just Be Me (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
119. Crowley's paperwork |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
122. are you serious |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
160. Yes, the tape does show that she did not say the men |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #160 |
240. +1 and Welcome. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
205. Gee, why wasn't this "new" information transmitted to the dispatcher? |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
23. Be afraid, be vewwy vewwy afraid ... |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Is there something I'm missing? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. Mostly between the "all cops are evil" and "not all cops are evil" factions |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
82. Guess you did not listen to Whalen's 911 call. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
133. No, I did. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #133 |
243. The time of your post tells me if you listened to a 911 call? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #53 |
213. I don't think all cops are evil. I know some good ones. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
249. You left out the "cop MUST have been right" faction," which could also could be |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
78. You must have missed the other 84 Gates threads. |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
124. But I'm in my own home! |
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road2000 (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Whether racial or not... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Agree . . . but I think from the first, Crowley was looking for an arrest to embarrass Gates ... |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
125. I think he was thinking of his own embarassment |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #125 |
178. Think you're absolutely right -- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. Has anyone said what supposedly qualifies him to teach courses on racial profiling? |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
126. Perhaps he was the most racially sensitive |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #126 |
164. Probably so! nt |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
145. As we said when we were children - "takes one to know one". |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. WOW-!!! NO conversation at the scene --!!!! And, no description of "blacks" --!!! |
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wellst0nev0ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. So "Portuguese" Isn't White Anymore? (n/t) |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. It is whatever the shrill want it to be. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
87. The shrill would be the Cambridge Police, then. They seem to break people down by |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
141. Actually the shrill are the reationary DUers, silly. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #141 |
250. Reactionary? Oh, you must mean those who knee jerked to defend this lying cop |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
90. See Reply 87. More significant: Did he or did he not speak to her? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
173. The lawyer is making clear that this particular Portuguese woman . . . |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #173 |
248. Or, used as a scapegoat by a cop who had behaved in a racist manner with, as Gates |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #173 |
268. I have a feeling she's..... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
184. People of "Portuguese" ancestry are all colors of the rainbow. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
201. It never was. You can be any complexion color and be "Portuguese" |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
287. She may be Cape Verdean |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well, since it's in a very nice neighborhood, don't the police cars also have |
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earthlite (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
44. The lesson here is never call the police |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
45. Hmm . . . a little backsliding perhaps? |
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Kindigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
185. I'm replying so I can find your last sentence tomorrow. |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
46. WAS HE ONLY WEARING ONE USELESS GLOVE? m.jackson? OJ? most of the Mets? |
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Serial Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
47. Many, not all, police feel they ARE THE LAW therefore, can do what they want! |
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John K (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
50. Can we say Tempest in a Teapot and move on with life??? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
116. I've heard that explanation from Limbaugh |
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Kind of Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
148. No, we cannot because some of us |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
265. NOW, it's a tempest in a teapot? Now, that Crowley has been proven a liar? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. As one of the DU'ers who has consistently said that the actions of Mr. Gates appeared |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I thought there was a tape. eom |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Well, as far as what difference it makes whether she |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. The story continues to evolve, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
177. Supposedly an older woman on the street upset . . . |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #177 |
189. I have no idea - |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #189 |
305. "Insights" . . . ??? Try reading the reports and the lawyer's comments . . . |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. "what difference does it make if she did not give the race of the people................ |
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law9 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
54. the truth |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Really Mr law9, were you there? I see you've blessed us with your wisdom |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. hi new person! Ready for a granite pizza? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. New person? Or just a new screen name for someone who usually posts here under another name? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #94 |
228. I think you got it in one. I hope the admins do a check and figure out who |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #228 |
251. Who claimed Crowley's smart? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #251 |
252. I think he had that opinion of himself! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #252 |
254. I mean that I agree with 50% of your "smartass" description. Just wanted to be clear which 50%. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
203. Hey, times are tough. There's no limit to what some folks will do for free food. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #65 |
259. You gave him far too much credit. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. No, the officer created a FALSE "fact", that Whelan said they were black but she never said that. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Jimrob, is that you? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
93. Enjoy your stay. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
121. Gates was perfectly justified |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
140. Fuck that shite..one thing |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
153. The tombstone has been delivered.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #153 |
253. Maybe not. Some folks are just cowards, poor, pathetic dears. |
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cags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
63. So thats the excuse to get Gates outside!!! Crowley could not arrest him in his home. |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
66. Where oh where are the....oh nevermind. |
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It Cant Just Be Me (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
120. The grace of Gates |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #120 |
187. Dear Derek... |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
69. Drip drip drip - Crowley defenders, did you read this? |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. I doubt it. |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
188. According to the now published report... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #188 |
229. Where did Gates say that? Gates' account of what he said does not include |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #229 |
324. Direct quote...."A crowd had gathered and |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #324 |
355. Thanks. He did NOT say that BEFORE he was arrested though! |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #229 |
373. I read the report on this web site as I referenced it. Just saying... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #188 |
272. Actually, Gates had no way of knowing why he was being hassled. Hence his question, a |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #188 |
313. Just a little tiny added fact. Crowley does NOT live in Cambridge.. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #313 |
361. Well, Cambridge is expensive. There's a lot of competition for housing there. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #188 |
374. And you see "cultural awareness/sensitivity" in Crowley . . . ????? |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
73. I find it hard to believe that a cop would |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. That's very funny |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
123. Really really very funny! nt |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. LOL! |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. oh boy |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Let me use your post to clarify something. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. No offense, but Crowley seems like pretty much of a dumb shit. |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. You're really not being objective… |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #104 |
137. he heard her wrong, he thought he heard her say…, he misremembered. |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
151. You're reinforcing my view of Crowley. He's flat out incompetent. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
197. "just trying to be objective and not be biased" - umm - TOO LATE!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
300. This is your attempt at being "objective" . . .!!! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. No, police never lie, especially in a police report prepared afer they discover they've |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
128. Yeah! |
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John K (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
108. He forgot?? Cops have been known to take notes. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #108 |
230. They also radio NEW information to dispatch. |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
109. I find it hard to believe that a cop would lie in a police report. |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
127. I meant that I think its a rarity, |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #127 |
170. Only one thing wrong with your |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #170 |
183. I saw Wendy Murphy (Whalen's lawyer) on several shows tonight |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #183 |
198. so he was WRONG on practically EVERYTHING, but somehow - THIS PIG is not the one LYING... |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #183 |
212. Funny, becasue CNN's latests story suggests the opposite. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #183 |
290. Do you have a link to that because I could find nothing |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
142. That's fucking |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
168. Wasn't the last time that happened in the OJ case? |
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Rincewind (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
192. ROFLMAO ! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
196. ...find it hard to believe that a cop would lie... |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
204. Yeah, you're mr_liberal the wame way Lou Dobbs is Mr. Independent. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
95. Has anyone heard the tape from 911 dispatch to the officers |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I have. The transcripts will probably get published soon. In fact, I bet they are online already. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Yes, here is the link to both the 911 call and the back and forth between |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. Thanks |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
96. So, What Is To Be Believed |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I do not recall Whalen saying one of the men might be Hispanic. I'd have to hear the tape again. |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. The Whole Purpose Of The Attorney's Statement |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:48 AM Response to Reply #113 |
244. Only because Crowley lied, which led people to accuse Whalen of racism. Once the |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #101 |
147. She did say that, but it came after being asked a second time and suggested... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
257. Yes, I listened again. But, she added that she could not really tell. |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. why won't the cop take a lie detector test? n/t |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
129. he is biologically unable to |
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mr_liberal (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
130. Theres a more important question for people here |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #130 |
143. The report was filed less than an hour after the incident |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #130 |
144. There are psychologists and psychiatrists |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #144 |
174. I think you are exactly right!!! |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #130 |
149. He may have said "two black men" because he didn't hear the 911 call..plus... |
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thucythucy (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #130 |
310. Why would Crowley lie... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #130 |
327. Why would Crowley say Whalen told him the suspects were black? Because, from |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
105. One lesson learned is do not be a good Samaritan without cause. |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
106. A Whiff Of Mark Furman |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
138. I thought the same thing. And where is Mark Furman now? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #138 |
190. He's built a very successful second career |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
111. But... he just made a mistake! |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
132. Does anyone know if the Crowley police report is available anywhere? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. This one? |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Great - thanks very much. Funny that they redacted the "17" from Gates' address..... |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Yes, his address is blatantly repeated all over the released 911 tape |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #146 |
260. Yet, they claim they delayed release of the 911 tape to protect Whalen's privacy based on |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #139 |
154. Here is another link that has both Officer reports... |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
134. Here's a link to an AP column that breaks down the incident and subsequent police report.... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
345. There are inconsistencies. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #345 |
358. A couple of comments... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
135. So, does this mean the "Gates was the racist" crowd will admit they were wrong? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #135 |
157. are you kidding?! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
175. Oh that crowd. |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #175 |
304. That made me laugh so hard I almost woke the neighbors! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #135 |
207. They went further than that as in "Gates is a racist and so are you". n/t |
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Kind of Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
155. I just want to talk about all the screaming Gates |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #155 |
261. According to Gates, he could not have yelled if he tried. I think he said "bronchitis" was the |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
162. Is the tape of the police radio traffic edited? |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. I don't think it's edited. If it was, it certainly wouldn't be contradicting his report. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #162 |
179. Good post! Well done! I noticed the VERY short timeframe as well... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #162 |
262. Please don't let facts influence anything. That's just so.....liberal. |
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tooeyeten (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
167. every day in America |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
169. Ok. He falsified a police report. Isn't that illegal? What |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
186. He was also told that the people might live there and just had some trouble opening the door! |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #186 |
195. chickens are coming home to roost |
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Dazz4u (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #195 |
217. I was wondering: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:19 AM Response to Reply #217 |
233. Crowley likely called to verify with the University cops that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #233 |
270. Gates showed photo ID with his address. Calling the Harvard cops was indeed provocative. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #233 |
302. Gates had also given Crowley his license/photo ID with his Harvard ID . . . |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
218. Gates 911 call: Witness not sure she sees crime |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Well this pretty much seals it... |
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clixtox (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #219 |
236. I served in April '09 on a felony hit & run++, the jury deadlocked... |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #218 |
220. From the article at the very bottom |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #220 |
333. What a racist statement from David Kennedy. It's not only blacks who believe |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #218 |
221. I don't get the problem with the witness' equivocation and how it relates to Crowley's handling.... |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #221 |
223. She described that they had luggage |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #223 |
226. He did. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #226 |
352. Thanks for the info |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #223 |
263. Yep. She even suggests they may be residents and also that they may have had a key. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #221 |
258. For me, the total accuracy of Whalen's report contrasts sharply with all the errors |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. NY Times has audio of call - link here. I wasn't too impressed with the dispatcher. |
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HisTomness (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #222 |
224. I think that's probably part of it |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Welcome. Conscious & unconscious motives could have definitely influenced Crowley while writing the |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Bingo |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #225 |
232. How can you remember having a conversation with a witness who says she never spoke to you? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #224 |
266. Good evening, sir. I'm sorry to disturb you, but we've received a report of a possible |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #266 |
278. "Up against the wall or I'll tase you and your granny, you grey-haired gangster! I got a badge!"nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #222 |
231. If Crowley had radioed in new info as he learned it (instead of just |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #222 |
293. Sgt. Crowley filed his official police report 36 MINUTES after arriving... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
264. Let's remember: The Cambridge PD AND the union vindicated Crowley, as did Figueroa. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
274. Deleted message |
JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #274 |
275. At least you picked an appropriate user name. |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #275 |
280. Sorry, disagree |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #280 |
283. 'Gates is the racist' ~ lol |
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winter999 (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #283 |
288. I know he goes off on "white" cops. |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #288 |
291. We all know the outcome would be different.... |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #291 |
306. and how do you know he said that? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #291 |
335. We don't all know that and Gates never said that. Please also see |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #291 |
343. Then you are the one with a chip on his shoulder. lol |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #288 |
292. 'He goes off on white cops' |
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winter999 (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #292 |
294. And What do you Know about Crowley? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #294 |
296. I have not passed judgement on you, just on what you wrote. |
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sunnybrook (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #296 |
307. This post made too much sense |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #294 |
336. We know about Crowley that he arrested a man who had committed no crime, that he trespassed on |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #288 |
326. Actually, you don't know that at all. You simply believe what plays into your own biases and |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #280 |
289. So when does being arrested in one's OWN home, after identifying oneself... |
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Dazz4u (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #280 |
311. Is it not reasonable....... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #280 |
317. Um, he did show ID. Two forms of it. Apparently, that was not enough for Officer Asshole. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #275 |
321. I've had the same thought in the past about this screen name. I just never posted it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #274 |
284. They must be feeling great now that it's known he lied his @ss off. n/t |
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No Passaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:54 AM Original message |
outing yourself so early? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
322. IMO, this poster (or screen name, anyway) outed himself or herself long before this thread. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #274 |
303. Crowley seems to me a guy |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #274 |
316. The fact that the black officer at the scene "stood with" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
276. And this is the REAL problem with profiling - |
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shagsak (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
286. What was it that Obama said the other night... |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #286 |
314. Confirmed by the 911 transcript, and recording, and by the |
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