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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:32 AM Original message |
White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Again? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm getting sick of reading lines like: "Citing an argument used by the Bush administration" |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. Wouldn't he have to meet with them whether he agrees with them or not? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. what difference does it make? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Are you nuts? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. hence it is not reform... |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Darn it.... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. lol... no worries |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. That's a really nice statement, NOW PROVE IT!!!!!!!!! |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. By how... |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Europe? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Quitting? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
47. I don't typically side with Write Down, but I do know that the |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
100. agree. point of historical relevance, first "anti-trust" use of sherman |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
74. I love it when I can agree with someone! |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. What he is advocating is reform and it is in danger of being scuttled by the Rightist Media, |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. "he is fighting for good reforms" |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Oh, so it's going to be like that. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. oh, things will change |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
94. I think The Stranger is right. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. here's the thing, though: I don't watch broadcast media |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Most Americans do watch broadcast media. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. You make a good case for Prez mtg w/ industry execs. Why not transparency? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. "Wake up" says the poster who defends secrecy in government and does not |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Oh please. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Backatcha. "Oh, please." BTW, I notice that posters who accuse others of not |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Only "socialism" can reform the "for profit sick care system" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. How do you breathe through all that sand? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. See post #6. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Deleted, wrong spot |
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fjc (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Because we have to |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. If covering up facts is a good thing, then I'm a monkey's uncle. Daylight my friend, is our friend. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. What I'm seeing is a massive media blitz by the Rightists to scuttle any reform at all. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. The Repos are fighting it, of course. But the insurance companies aren't. That's because |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Thanks for the response. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
59. I haven't followed the money except to the Dems, who are getting a ton of health insurance |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. ironic... the governemnt will subsidize |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. It's lame, imo. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
103. Most working taxpayers will be paying double-- |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Yep, and tell me where in the hell are Obama's surrogates? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Why haven't the Dems & Obama pushed to have better or any spokespesons out there |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Look at the real big picture then--and the total picture. A public option is very likely to fail. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
49. It's been in trouble since single payer was taken off the table. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
101. why should the meetings be secret? you don't answer, you divert to |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
86. You are speaking truth that people don't want to hear around here. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. If it makes no difference who he met with or why, then the balance should be in favor |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. If he releases a list of all groups he's met with wouldn't it show he listened to ALL SIDES? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
96. Does he have to meet with you? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
99. why should it be secret, then? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
8. Change anyone? I *hear* lots of ka-ching, but no real change |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
9. And you wonder why Obama is losing support?? |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. More of Obama's famous trasparency. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
62. He's very transparent--you can see right through him. n/t |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. Bringing transparency in government? |
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Steerpike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
18. As usual I'm confused. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
50. You're confused because government likes to confuse us. BOTH the Secret Service and the President |
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Steerpike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. I guess I knew that. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
21. Transparency? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
22. NOT cool. nt |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
23. I could literally cry. I think I will be putting my time and efforts working to |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
51. Sorry to say, I don't think changing election law is going to help, except for the election laws |
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qanda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. Oh my Lord, please tell me this is not for real.... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
26. ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. Deleted sub-thread |
City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
29. Where's the transparency? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. You betcha! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. The transparency is in the betrayal. nt |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
63. I think it's in the transparent hypocrisy. n/t |
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FloriTexan (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
34. Visitors to the WH are there for many reasons... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. WOW. Since when is it up to insurers to decide whether they can use the people's house |
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FloriTexan (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. If I were trying to get insurers to back my plan... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. We had public White House logs for years |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
35. Why is he doing this???nt |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
36. sickening and scary, isn't it? |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. Sue them. Again. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. http://www.publicampaign.org/ Clean Elections |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. I hear ya, but please see Reply 51. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Donate to the ACLU because they are the org. bringing these suits. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
43. nice to see transparency in our government |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
65. Wheee |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
66. What is the White House hiding? There is nothing wrong with |
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nradisic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
67. I am disappointed... |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
69. This is wrong |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. Bingo. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Sounds like change we can believe in!! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
71. Same old shit, different container |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
73. It's ok, Obama made history. n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
75. Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...(n/t) |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
76. Yep, Obama made history... |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
77. Here's the list |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
79. I don't like the secrecy. What are they hiding? |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
81. If President Obama... |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
82. Who owns the beltway? Insurance lobbyists and bank lobbyists. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
84. oh great. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
85. Didn't I just hear him say that they were sending out a list of the executives? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
87. Obama totally tried to brush this off tonight during his speech-like it was nothing. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. It was nothing... |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
88. List has been released |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
90. Did I wake up after a dream and find out McCain was really elected? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
91. White House Discloses Meetings With Health Care Executives |
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chatnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
92. Obama Has Met At Least 27 Times With Private Health Care Industry Executives |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:58 AM Response to Original message |
93. depends on the meaning of "declines", "disclose" and "transparency" |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
98. Donald Rumsfeld: the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. |
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