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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 09:51 PM
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Revealed – the secret torture evidence MI5 tried to suppress
Source: The Guardian

The true depth of British involvement in the torture of terrorism suspects overseas and the manner in which that complicity is concealed behind a cloak of courtroom secrecy was laid bare last night when David Davis MP detailed the way in which one counter-terrorism operation led directly to a man suffering brutal mistreatment.

In a dramatic intervention using the protection of parliamentary privilege, the former shadow home secretary revealed how MI5 and Greater Manchester police effectively sub-contracted the torture of Rangzieb Ahmed to a Pakistani intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), whose routine use of torture has been widely documented.

This is the first time that the information has entered the public domain. Previously it has been suppressed through the process of secret court hearings and, had the Guardian or other media organisations reported it, they would have exposed themselves to the risk of prosecution for contempt of court.

Davis told MPs that although sufficient evidence had been gathered to ensure Ahmed could be prosecuted for serious terrorism offences, he was permitted to fly from Manchester to Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, in 2006 while under surveillance. He then detailed the way in which the British authorities:

• Tipped off the ISI that Ahmed was on his way.

• Told the ISI he was a terrorist and suggested that he should be detained.

• Were aware of the methods used by the ISI while questioning terrorism suspects.

• Drew up a list of questions for the ISI to put to Ahmed.

• Questioned him themselves after he had been in ISI custody for around 13 days.

The officers from MI5 and MI6 who interrogated Ahmed should have known his detention was unlawful because he had not been brought before a court. Ahmed says he told these officers he was being tortured and that signs of his mistreatment would have been evident. He says he was whipped, beaten, deprived of sleep and sexually humiliated. At one point three fingernails were ripped out of his left hand. He says this was done slowly, over a period of days, while he was being asked questions which he believes were handed to the ISI by British and US authorities.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/08/mi5-torture-evidence-david-davis



I tried to stay within the paragraph limit, but for once had to go over it for context.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 09:56 PM
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1. Yikes1 I,m watching MI5 right now.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 11:32 PM
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2. Who cares? Move along sheeple, this isn't important...

The USA, no doubt, has committed the same sorts of atrocities...

What do you think?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 11:32 PM
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3. kick nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-07-09 11:40 PM
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4. Our Mother Country. Setting the example for the rest of us.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:53 AM
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5. K/R
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 04:02 AM
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6. Sounds like more than mere complicity. -- nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 05:48 AM
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7. BBC: MP claims UK 'outsourced torture' (VIDEO)
An MP has used parliamentary privilege to accuse the British intelligence service of "outsourcing torture".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfDwEakYc4

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 07:01 AM
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8. You Do Realize That Obama Has Embraced Our Own Extraordinary Rendition Program?
This was our own outsourced torture program, started by Clinton and ramped-up by Bush (of course). I hope that Obama at least ensures that those we kidnap and hand over to other governments are not tortured.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 07:05 AM
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9. And then there's Bagram.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 07:09 AM
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10. K&R
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 08:51 AM
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11. K&R
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:58 PM
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12. K&R
:kick:
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