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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:37 PM
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Democrats pare back subsidies in health care bill
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 08:44 PM by tomm2thumbs
Source: AP Yahoo

WASHINGTON – Key Senate Democrats, bidding for bipartisan support on health care, pared back subsidies designed to make insurance more affordable on Thursday and floated a compromise that rules out direct government competition against private insurers. Despite the cost-cutting, the proposal backed by Sen. Max Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, requires most individuals to purchase coverage and forbids insurance companies from denying it on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.

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Across the Capitol, Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee privately circulated a list of possible tax increases to pay for expanded health care.
They ranged from raising the Medicare tax, slapping a 10 percent tax on a can of sweetened drink, raising the alcohol tax, imposing a new tax on employers equal to 3 percent of payroll and taxing employer-provided health insurance benefits above certain levels. Also under consideration was a value added tax, a sort of national sales tax, of up to 1.5 percent or more, with housing, education, financial services and medical care potentially exempt.

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According to a 10-page outline that described the proposal, federal subsidies would be available to help families up to 300 percent of poverty, or $66,000, purchase insurance. An earlier proposal set the level at 400 percent of poverty, or $88,000.
At the same time, the new outline could require higher out of pocket costs from individuals because companies would be permitted to offer policies that cover less of an insured's anticipated medical costs than was earlier proposed. Many Democrats want the government to be able to offer insurance in competition with the private industry, a provision they say would hold down costs. But most Republicans are opposed.

The outline presented at meeting with Republicans left the matter open, but suggested creation of nonprofit co-ops to offer insurance, rather than the government. The co-ops could accept federal loans for startup operations, but would have to repay the money.

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While Baucus supports a tax on health benefits, Obama opposed it in last year's presidential campaign and attacked his rival, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for proposing it.
Administration officials have refrained from criticizing it in recent weeks, but organized labor is opposed, fearing it would mean higher taxes for some of its members.
Congressional aides say Democrats are eager to exempt union contracts from the proposed tax, but Republicans want to include them. In its most recent form, the proposal would impose a tax on plans in which the combined employer and employee premiums are above about $17,000. That would raise an estimated $270 billion over a decade, less if union-negotiated plans were exempt.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_overhaul
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:38 PM
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1. Hey Dems, if you're looking to cut costs
I know some fat insurance execs we could deprive of their salaries...
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:48 PM
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6. I know a group of 535 people whose insurance coverage should be canceled
until we all have access to health care.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 03:59 PM
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17. Hey, what a coincidence! I think I know those same people!
Somehow, when they get gubmint insurance, it's good. But for the rest of us, BAD.

Single payer now, and quit dicking around.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:02 PM
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20. It is a small world!
(we're both so clever I just can't stand it) :hi:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:42 PM
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2. We are going to get screwed. n/t
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:42 PM
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3. How uniquely American this is shaping out to be
We must do anything but adopt an international model actually proven to work (at the cost of private insurance)

Aint reform grand?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 02:59 PM
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15. Every 10 to 20 years we debate health reform -- each time, we screw it up.
Or, rather, WE don't do it -- lobbyists, politicians, and big-monied interests do it for us.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:43 PM
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4. Color me shocked
not. Fuck them and their bipartisan support.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:47 PM
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5. Republicans will have the upper hand on this - 'Dems raising taxes yet still no public health care'

whoever is working on this isn't looking at the big picture - which is no surprise really
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:34 PM
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14. Well, I refuse to believe any politician can be that stupid
These conservadems know exactly what they are doing, but taking the "who me?" approach.

They are pissing this opportunity for the American people away on purpose, and they know it will revive the Republicans. They have to know this! They're taking a dive because it is easier to keep their seats while doing nothing as the poor, oppressed minority. With the republicans in charge, they get the policy they really want and get to pretend they aren't responsible for it.

I think they are cheering for the Republicans to win out and for more Americans to die by neglect. It doesn't sound pretty because it isn't pretty. It's goddamned ugly.
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NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:49 PM
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7. This is the finance committee right?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:43 PM
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8. Screw the "bipartisan support", just do what the people want you gutless assh*les!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:57 PM
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9. These guys in the senate are a bunch of f--king idiots
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 09:59 PM by high density
Can they for once stop listening to the lobbyists?

Taxing health insurance is a non-starter. It was a horrible idea when McCain floated it and it remains a horrible idea. And the the thought of putting in an exemption for the unions is ridiculous.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:10 PM
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10. Why do they have health care?
America in ranked #38 in the world in health care. Compromise for the rich insurance and drug companies.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:18 PM
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11. "and floated a compromise that rules out direct government competition against private insurers"
Like I tell them everytime I call you are not listening to what the people want. I just started today telling them that we will start protests in the streets like Iran if they continue to ignore what we want. Bastards!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:21 PM
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12. This proposed plan is useless.
When medical insurance costs tens of thousands of dollars a year, as it does now, even the moderately well-to-do can't afford it.

Nah, "useless" isn't a strong enough word. This plan sucks.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:33 PM
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13. We DON'T NEED "BIPARTISANSHIP"! We don't NEED Republicans!
If the damned DEMOCRATS would just act like DEMOCRATS and stick together on this issue - we don't NEED the f*cking Repugs!

Arrggh!

:wtf:
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 03:15 PM
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16. The subsidy pareback is larger than reported
Both the first and second drafts offered subsidies up to 500% of poverty. It is now reportedly cut to 300%

>>According to a 10-page outline that described the proposal, federal subsidies would be available to help families up to 300 percent of poverty, or $66,000, purchase insurance. An earlier proposal set the level at 400 percent of poverty, or $88,000.<<

(I have not read the most recent proposal - just going on the above report as to the current cap - I did read the first and second drafts of the Kennedy bill - which went to 500%.)
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:43 PM
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18. I don't think I want what they're offering. Preparing to be totally
pissed....and if it's MANDATED, I'll be even more so.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 08:13 PM
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19. AT close glance
It appears to be mandated.
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