Bush Ejects Two From Bioethics Council

[kskiska]

Changes Renew Criticism That the President Puts Politics Ahead of Science

President Bush yesterday dismissed two members of his handpicked Council on Bioethics -- a scientist and a moral philosopher who had been among the more outspoken advocates for research on human embryo cells.

In their places he appointed three new members, including a doctor who has called for more religion in public life, a political scientist who has spoken out precisely against the research that the dismissed members supported, and another who has written about the immorality of abortion and the "threats of biotechnology."

The turnover immediately renewed a recent string of accusations by scientists and others that Bush is increasingly allowing politics to trump science as he seeks advice on ethically contentious issues.

Last week, a Washington-based interest group released a report detailing what it called many examples of the administration distorting the scientific process to achieve desired policy answers relating to pollution, embryo research and other topics. Some in Congress, led by Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), have also been getting vocal on the topic, as have academics, scientific organizations and science journal editors.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html

[rfkrocks]

1. In the words of the beatles Revolution #9

"Bush is a moron,dis him, dis him"

[leesa]

2. I want Henry Waxman as my president.

Must have been someone with ethics if Bush ejected them. Can't be having any of that ethical behavior crap!

[cosmicdot]

10. here you go ... it's not the first time this sentiment has been expressed

[sandnsea]

3. Okay

I'll buy the rope, who's got the duct tape?

This guy has GOT TO GO!

[Leilani]

4. He has to go

Or we'll be back in the Dark Ages.

[devinsgram]

30. Dark Ages

hell, we're there now.

[prodigal_green]

5. Home Depot

is open 24 hours.:P

[minkyboodle]

12. LOL

who's comin with me?????
Scott

[LiberalFighter]

13. I hope you mean to hog-tie the idiot

Of course what happens with him while he is tied???
Sand fleas from Iraq

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. Galileo, Galileo, Galileo

If science disagrees with religeon, just change the science.

We're going back to the middle ages.

[ixion]

7. the middle ages, or further... the dark ages

economically they're attempting to return us to feudalism... scientifically, it's the dark ages all the way.

Theocracy in action. :-(

[BR_Parkway]

23. Maybe we could give them 2-3 states of their own

to establish their "utopia" and put all their rules in place (as long as we keep the nukes, thank you). Then the rest of the country could just have a normal life without this hocus pocus threatening progress every time you turn around.

They could be the United States of God. Pat Roberson for President, Falwell for VP, one state supported university (Regents of course), OxyRush could be Minister of Propoganda, Bennett the minister of Virtues, there could be a constitutional requirement to buy each of InSannity's books to keep him on the best seller list

[brook]

8. advice on ethically contentious issues?

He wouldn't know an ethic if it...well, you know. He's following Rove's directions to try and keep his neocon base from growing tails and desserting his *ship of state*. Why do I have this image of * dropping trou and revealing a bright red babboon butt?

I coulda lived my whole life without that!

[Dover]

9. Bush is a biohazard......

[countmyvote4real]

11. Another "scream" moment

Used to be once a week, then daily and now several times a day.

If I could afford health insurance and a prescription, I would seek some meds. Since I can't, I think the best solution is a new administration.

The emperor and his thugs have got to go.

[Zookeeper]

14. This just makes me sick...

I have an eleven year old with insulin dependent diabetes. Her best hope for a cure, at this time, rests with stem cell research.

I guess I should find consolation in the fact that Bush is protecting the "life" of those fertility clinic embryos until they are poured down a drain anyway.

I did hear recently that Nancy Reagan was against stem cell research until Ronnie was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Now she lobbies for it.

The Minnesota legislature is currently considering a bill that would prevent the University of Minnesota from conducting any more stem cell research. Last time I checked, 30 legislators had signed on to the bill.

[Virginian]

15. I read a post once

on Vote.com that the Bush twins were test tube babies. Never heard that again. If they were, what happened to the other eggs? They usually extract more than two or three.

[Zookeeper]

28. Thanks for posting that...

I will try to find out more.

[Lars39]

16. Unacceptable.

We have got to vote these idiots out of office.

On a side note, there's about 3 fundies right now in GD arguing that these "religious folks don't mean no harm, don't worry about, I don't think we're in any danger of becoming a theocracy". Shyte on a stick, how dumb do they think we are? :eyes:

On edit: And I notice they're not here. Hmmm.

[fearnobush]

Go McGreevy Go...

Governor plans $6.5M for stem-cell center

Jersey would become first state to finance research


Sunday, February 22, 2004


BY ROBERT SCHWANEBERG AND KASI ADDISON
Star-Ledger Staff

In a bid to make New Jersey a center for medical breakthroughs, Gov. James E. McGreevey will propose spending $6.5 million for the creation of a stem-cell research institute when he unveils his budget Tuesday.

If the proposal survives legislative review, it will make New Jersey the first state to use taxpayer money for a line of research that is both highly promising and intensely controversial.


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The New Brunswick-based institute, to be managed jointly by Rutgers University and the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, would be financed at the outset with a $6.5 million state grant and $3.5 million in private money, a McGreevey administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said yesterday.
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[neverforget]

17. The last time religion ruled the world, it was called the Dark Ages.

But this fits in perfectly with his religious wacko base: dumb the people down so they are more easily controlled.

[LDB]

18. science used to be objective

but not for this administration. Objectivity, reason, rationality, etc. all run a distant second to the political agenda of the machine which has determined, for example, that the Pentagon report on the environment is being ignored and not publicized by any media. Bioethics? Bush, et. al. define ethics within the context of the means justifying the ends.

Take it from a scientist. When science is subverted to any political cause, it ceases to be science and becomes and become's merely a tool to build dangerous dogma.

[kodi]

19. moving rapidly towards a state of lysenkoism

soon we will find the busheviks acting as mullahs defining the objectivity of science.

btw this is the same way that islam damaged itself 6-7 hundred years ago after being the world's leading scientific culture for centuries. it lost its leadership in technology and science to the west by the success of conservative islamic political forces that used mysticism to excite its followers to overwhelm the rational philosophies of their opponents.

and from i have seen, the islamic world is stil recovering from such a bastardization of rationality as the driving force in scienctific inquiry.

bush is a texas taliban, plain and simple.

[plaguepuppy]

22. Bad science and bad religion go together

But hey, they seem to think they can establish a state religion, so why not try for state science too! Fundies need to dumb everything down to fit their own constricted notion of God, whom they clearly imagine in their own image. As papa Albert once said (paraphrasing) we should make our ideas about the world as simple as possible, but no simpler.

[yo-yo-ma]

20. it's like the Inquisition

the way science is being subverted to their narrow and flat view of the world.
A good article in the nation documenting this on all levels of the administration, even among fish and wildlife wardens.

<http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040308&s=kennedy>

It's going to take decades to undo this destruction -- this is not a way to entice individuals to pursue careers in science especially not ones that intersect with public policy.

[specimenfred1984]

21. Excellent article, thank you

Did you ever read about the Rumsfeld-Aspartame connection? It's ancient history now but here's a good link. These guys have been poisening people for decades.

http://www.stevia.net/aspartame.htm

[Disturbed]

24. True?

On another BB I read that around 60% of Americans believe the Creation concept of the bible. They believe among other things that this planet was created in seven days. If this is what that many believe then America is doomed. I guess the people that wrote the bible weren't told about dinasours by god.

[Philosophy]

25. But what about Minime?

You know they gotta be working on a more easily portable clone of * in a dark lab somewhere.

[snippy]

26. Too late.

[underpants]

27. Bush /Quayle/Forbes-genetic productions of the elite US families

Indulge this whimsy if you will.

Under the football stadium at the University of Chicago they were not only working on THE BOMB but a highly secretive process of the most mighty US families to create the perfect candidate/figure head leader.

Steve Forbes was version 1.0-the harddrive worked fine but they needed to improve the outer shell.

Quayle was next. The outside was much improved but there were some wiring problems. The figured they could get the most out of the failed experiment but using him to soften the blow when they unveiled the W model. After Quayle "passed" the public's smell test they wouldn't have as much problem selling the model from the Bush family.

W was a mix of good and bad from the first two. Outside wasn't as pleasing as the model from the Danforth/Quayle line but it would pass, the inside fell well short of the Forbes line model but it would do.

They planned on perfecting the process but in the years after WWII budgets got a little tighter and it was hard to keep it a secret anymore so they scrapped the program.

[jpak]

29. Another GOP stacked commission?

Who do they think they're kidding????

[rfkrocks]

31. to the comfy chair

"no one expects the spanish inquistion"