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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:59 AM
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Suicide attacks are un-Islamic: (Pakistan's) Ulema
Edited on Mon May-18-09 04:16 AM by Turborama
Source: Dawn (Pakistan)

ISLAMABAD: Leading Ulema of the country declared on Sunday that suicide attacks and beheading of people were ‘un-Islamic’ acts and said that militants in Swat and Fata were pursuing the agenda of Pakistan’s enemies.

The edict was issued at a convention of Ulema and Mashaikh from different parts of the country. This is the first time that prominent Ulema and religious scholars, mostly belonging to the Sunni school of thought, have denounced the Taliban and their inhuman acts in such a categorical manner. A unanimous resolution adopted at the convention said: ‘The assassination of Ulema should be stopped and sacred places, including shrines, should be cleared of extremists. Suicide attacks and beheading is Haram’.

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The convention also adopted a resolution backing the all-parties conference convened by the prime minister. Maulana Sahibzada Fazal Karim, a leader of Jamiat Ulema-i-Pakistan, said in his address that those trying to harm the integrity of Pakistan should be severely dealt with.

He and other Ulema stressed the need for forging unity against militancy. Some of them expressed readiness to form their own Lashkar against the Taliban if security forces needed their help to eradicate terrorists from the troubled areas. ‘We played our role during the independence movement and we will protect the country and foil every design of the enemy,’ Sahibzada Karim said, adding that the operation in Swat was the need of the hour because some sections of society were forcing people to accept their brand of Islam.

Read more: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/12-suicide-attacks-are-un-islamic-ulema--bi-10





(Edited to change to the source story which has a less graphic headline and more detail)

If anyone wants to see it, the pre-edit article came from here: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/pak-ulema-says-suicide-attacks-beheading-of-human-beings-un-islamic_100194118.html
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:15 AM
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1. It is good to see the Good Doctors of Islam speaking out against this violence and for the peace of
Islam.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:34 PM
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6. Finally.
It required the slaughter of Pakistani Sunnis, presumably "good Sunnis" (in the estimation of those "Good Doctors"), for them to call for this.

The lower volume slaughter didn't do it. The fairly high-volume slaughter of Shi'ites didn't do it. Attacks on Christians and Hindus and Ahmadiyya didn't do it. Attacks on non-Pakistani Muslims didn't do it.

They are speaking out against "this violence", not "other violences", but even that is secondary to decrying the slaughter of those in their group by those outside their group. However, at this point it's impossible to talk about the enormity of what the lesser evil does without at least mentioning the greater evil, at least not without blatantly looking like damned hypocrites.

UCLA had an admissions policy in which overcoming adversity counted for a lot. If you were the son of a stable, college-educated couple with a large income in a well-off area and went to good schools, if you had all the tutors you could handle and preparation for the SAT/ACT, of course you got good grades. That 4.0 GPA is *expected*, it's *average*. It deserves no special commendation, it is not necessarily the hallmark of a winner. To earn a 3.0 average would be the sign of a clear loser.

These ulema scrape in at 2.0, and that's only because their 1.95 was rounded up. I want to know where the zakat from their mosques has gone for the last decade.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:25 AM
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2. Turnabout: Drone attacks which kill countless numbers of civilians are NOT Christian.
:shrug:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:35 PM
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7. So it's a good thing that the US isn't a Xian country. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:36 AM
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9. These are clerics talking about religion to members of their religion. Let's not equate that
with any need of the actions of the American government to meet some Christian standard. That is one dangerous road to travel, IMO. There are other reasons to object to drones killing civilians.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:32 AM
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3. shocking, a State-convened conference puts forth a State-beneficial ruling?
Edited on Mon May-18-09 09:35 AM by Alamuti Lotus
Who could see that coming? Their next ruling will be strongly in favor of tanks and helicopters blowing the shit out of people.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:03 AM
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5. Did you read the whole article?
Just a couple of the other statements:

"The convention also condemned the killing of innocent people in the US drone attacks and urged the government to raise the issue at the United Nations.

The Ulema said the US drone strikes were challenging the country’s sovereignty. ‘The government must take effective measures to force the US to halt these strikes.’"


"He said the Taliban were even slaughtering children. ‘This is contrary to the teachings of Islam which calls for protecting people who are not involved in battle,’ he said.

‘If the Taliban have any respect for Islamic values, they should give up bloodshed because it was harming national integrity,’ the Mufti said."


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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:37 AM
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4. Yay a sane voice
from an otherwise insane belief system
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:46 PM
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8. somehow, I bet the "peace committee" will get its comeuppance
Edited on Tue May-19-09 07:48 PM by ohio2007
bet it won't get traction in the taliban clan
......The assassination of Ulema should be stopped and sacred places, including shrines, should be cleared of extremists. Suicide attacks and beheading is Haram’.
...


good luck with that "Bring it on" statement
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:50 AM
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10. Rushdie writes a book that an ayotullah despises. A fetwa issues and Rushdie has to hide for the
rest of his life. Muslims kidnap, torture and kill since at least the Munich Olympics and most Muslim clerics are silent about terrorism. One in London spoke out immediately after the subway bombing, now this.

If all Muslim clerics in the world had gotten together and spoken out, oh, say, in 1980, and had kept speaking out, who knows what may have happened--or not happened?

This is better than nothing, but a long time coming and too little, IMO. It's like the story about genie that prays for someone to let it out of the bottle, but then goes into rage when someone finally does because it has taken way too long.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 04:29 PM
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11.  suicide bomber hits cinema ( seems movies are not promoting islamic values)
Pakistan: Heavy casualties in suicide attack in northwest

Peshawar, 22 May (AKI) - At least 10 people were killed and more than 75 were critically injured when a massive car bomb exploded outside a cinema in Peshawar, in Pakistan's troubled northwest. The bomb attack occurred at around 8 pm local time when at least 36 people were inside the cinema.

The suicide bombing is believed to be part of a militant backlash against the government's continuing military operation in the Swat district of North West Frontier Province.

No-one had claimed responsibility for the attack late Friday.

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The United Nations' refugee agency said on Friday more than 1.7 million people are now homeless after fleeing the recent fighting between Islamist militants and the military in regions in the northwest.


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"If they encroach on our land in the city and establish their sanctuaries, it would turn this cosmopolitan centre into a militant hotbed."

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3348481781

So much for the peace committee 'challenge' to have words speak louder then actions.
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:37 PM
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12. the losing side, is pleading for the winning side to be less effective
the losing side (Pakistan)
would like the winning side (the Taliban)
to give up its wining tactics/
not going to happen

the most ruthless will win
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:21 AM
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13. For every one of these...
...there are dozens if not hundreds spreading the opposite message.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:01 PM
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14. MSM doesn't like reporting those stories
Edited on Sat May-23-09 12:02 PM by ohio2007
T-shirts, trousers ‘trouble’ Taliban

PESHAWAR: The Taliban in Peshawar are warning people against wearing Western clothes, residents said on Thursday. “I received a piece of paper written in Pushto, saying that doctors and medical workers are wearing un-Islamic dress which should be stopped,” ..........


http://tinyurl.com/qstyhj
They are winning the hearts and minds

one "unislamic" threat at a time
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