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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:32 AM
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CNN Breaking: US considers sending 3 ship task force to Haiti
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 11:36 AM by alg0912
...along with 2000+ Marines (as a contingency).

No Link Yet...

<on edit - I posted this thinking it was a done deal. If mods want to remove, since the decision hasn't been reached yet, be my guest...>
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:36 AM
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1. Generalisimo Bush is on it.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:37 AM
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5. That is a freakin crack-up!
Where did you get that picture?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:41 AM
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11. Google search for
War
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:37 AM
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6. "General... you must'a gave me the night vision goggles..."
"...'cause all I see is NIGHT!":D
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:07 PM
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19. Reminds me of the MASH episode
Where Radar put soot on the binocular eyepieces before handing them to Colonel Blake.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:36 AM
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2. Watch and see if they call the opposing force terrorists.
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 11:39 AM by bearfan454
It is all beginning to come into play. Attacks everywhere, Iraq, Afghanistan by then, and they can declare Marshal Law if something happens here in the USA, and call off the elections. God I hope I am wrong.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:36 AM
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3. Well so much for democracy in Haiti.
n/t
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:41 AM
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10. Or here if the repukes get their way.
These crooks have GOT TO GO !
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drthais Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:37 AM
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4. It's About Damn Time
we'll see if that tranlates into
'too little too late'

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:40 AM
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8. Aristide is the democratically elected President.
You seem to have a problem with that.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:44 AM
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12. But he rigged the last election
He's more concerned about money and retaining power than improving the deplorable condition of the country and the lack of basic services, food, fresh water and employment. Crime is rampant and the Police force is almost non-existent.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:50 AM
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13. No, I don't think that is correct. It appears Aristide won with 70%
of the vote.

snip>
The US lawyer representing the government of Haiti charged today that the US government is directly involved in a military coup attempt against the country's democratically elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Ira Kurzban, the Miami-based attorney who has served as General Counsel to the Haitian government since 1991, said that the paramilitaries fighting to overthrow Aristide are being backed by Washington.

"I believe that this is a group that is armed by, trained by, and employed by the intelligence services of the United States," Kurzban told the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!. "This is clearly a military operation, and it's a military coup."

"There's enough indications from our point of view, at least from my point of view, that the United States certainly knew what was coming about two weeks before this military operation started," Kurzban said. "The United States made contingency plans for Guantanamo."

(Snip)

Several of the paramilitary leaders now rampaging Haiti are men who were at the forefront of the US-backed campaign of terror during the 1991-94 coup against Aristide. Among the paramilitary figures now leading the current insurrection is Louis Jodel Chamblain, the former number 2 man in the FRAPH paramilitary death squad.

Rest at...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/25/1613200

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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:53 PM
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26. Aristide was not legitimately elected.
The international community refused to certify.

Haiti

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2000
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
February 23, 2001

snip

On May 21, about 60 percent of the country's 4 million registered voters went to the polls to select from some 29,000 candidates for 11,000 local and national posts. International and domestic observers agreed that despite some scattered irregularities (polling booth intimidation, ballot stuffing, and publication of voting results before polling booths were closed), the elections were generally free and fair. Two election-related deaths were reported in a suburb of Port-au-Prince, where a candidate and policeman exchanged fire in an altercation away from a polling booth. On May 22, the HNP arrested and charged Paul Denis, an opposition party leader and former senator, for possession of illegal weapons. He later was released amidst allegations the arrest was motivated politically.


While the initial voting was generally free and fair, serious irregularities in the counting of votes and the computation of winners in certain senate races compromised the election. A December report by the Organization of American States (OAS) concluded that the voting process began to deteriorate after the closing of the polls. For example, armed groups stole and burned ballot boxes in the departments of the Center, North, and Artibonite. The delivery of voting materials (ballots, ballot boxes, pens, ink, and voter registration lists) in Port-au-Prince and Cap Haitien was chaotic and a substantial number of these materials may have been lost. The election controversy became serious with the publication of the results of the Senate races. Under the Constitution and electoral law, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of votes cast in order to be elected in the first round of voting. If no candidate receives a majority, a second-round runoff is required. The Senate results published by the CEP announced that the ruling Fanmi Lavalas party won 16 of the 17 Senate seats in the first round. These results were based on what opposition parties and independent observers termed a flawed interpretation of both the Constitution and the electoral law... A preliminary evaluation conducted by the OAS found that only 9 Senate seats should have been decided in the first round, while 10 should have gone to a second round. President Preval responded to the three CEP resignations by appointing replacement council members loyal to FL, who immediately certified the Senate results without addressing the controversial counting method.

The international community, local civic groups, and opposition parties called on the Government to address the controversy. The CEP ignored these protests and on July 9, held second-round races for deputies. There were no senatorial second-round contests. With an almost unanimous boycott by opposition parties and candidates, voter turnout for this round was significantly lower than in May, at reportedly only 5 percent. All international and most domestic observers refused to participate in monitoring the second round.

snip

Domestic human rights and opposition parties continued to protest the election results. Following his resignation, CEP president Leon Manus fled the country after being threatened repeatedly. He then issued a statement that acknowledged that the methodology used in counting votes for the Senate was flawed. On June 15 and 16, bands of pro-FL militants shut down metropolitan Port-au-Prince with barricades and tire burnings to protest international refusal to certify the results. International missions led by the OAS unsuccessfully attempted to encourage resolution of the May 21 elections dispute.

The international community and most opposition parties refused to help or take part in the November 26 presidential elections because of the unresolved controversy surrounding the May elections. Due to the lack of international observers, the local press monitored the election process....

The November 26 elections took place amidst heavy police security and were characterized by low turnout--accounts vary from the 5 percent to 20 percent. Aside from a pipe bomb that exploded in the Port-au-Prince suburb of Carrefour and the burning of ballots during the morning in the city of Anse d'Hainault, the elections generally passed without disturbance. With the opposition boycott, former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide faced only token opposition and was elected to a 5-year term with a reported 91.5 percent of the votes cast.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2000/wha/795.htm
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:53 AM
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14. And here is another interesting tidbit as well

Democratic contenders bash Bush on Haiti
1 hour, 14 minutes ago



LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination bashed President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s handling of the Haiti crisis, accusing him of giving legitimacy to the anti-government rebels.

"We are in this place because this is so typical of this president's disengagement in this entire hemisphere," Senator John Edwards (news - web sites) of North Carolina said in a candidate's debate here sponsored by CNN television.


"He's done it all over the world. The reason we're in this place is because this president has not been involved, not been engaged."


Front-running candidate Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts said the Bush administration has "a theological and a identifilogical hatred" for Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide.
(snip/...)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040227/ts_alt_afp/us_vo...



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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:15 PM
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22. Look, PNAC doesn't want Haiti. Wolfowitz and Perle want us to reserve
our troop strength for the Middle East.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:28 PM
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17. So you don't think the embargo
that Bu$h Sr. put Haiti under or the fact that the Repugs refused to give Aristide the money we promised him to help rebuild Haiti didn't have anything to do with it?

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:38 AM
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7. The TV bloodbath is too good to censor!
* has to put a dog in this fight or look cruel to American viewers! That's the only reason he's even considering helping!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:40 AM
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9. yeah... i doubt the rag-tag band of rebels can take Port-au-Prince


all by themselves...

:shrug:

Haiti Rebels Set Sights On Capital
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/26/world/main602410.shtml

peace
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:21 PM
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15. Won't want the French get all the attention!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:01 PM
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16. An invasion to take their resources and control their
government for WTO. Tell your representatives the UN should do it.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:01 PM
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18. When I lived in Port-au-Prince in the late 1970's
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 05:02 PM by markses
My father (an ex-navy man) used to point out the features of the US naval ships sitting out in the harbor (or whatever body of water it was that our yard overlooked). I remember them, long and gray out there. Dad used to give me the ranges on the guns.

Of course, this was when we used to go to the American school in Port-au-Prince, and to the beautiful beaches, and to a restaurant that was built around a mammoth miniature train set. Papa Doc times, with all the Euro and American colonials making it there like they never made it at home. I remember kindergarten in Port-au-Prince, and watching Columbo on TV, and thinking that the big statue to Christopher Columbus on the off the wide street near the school was in fact a statue of Columbo, the detective. I remember when my mother had to call the exterminator because a stone wall in our garden was covered with baby tarantulas. I remember my father and his business associates talking about the Ton Ton Macoute, and I remember having nightmares about them, though I didn't know what it meant. I remember a Haitian policeman twirling his pistol on a public street in Port-au-Prince. I remember getting in trouble in the American school because I urinated behind a tree in the grassy schoolyard. I remember a restaurant off on a pier at our favorite beach; whatever they were cooking there made the whole beach smell like really good fried chicken.

I remember Port-au-Prince.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:19 PM
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23. Thanks for sharing the Haiti experience
Very interesting. I remember much of the events of Papa Doc although living states side.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:08 PM
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20. WAG HAITI!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:14 PM
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21. Do you suppose we'll be supporting the democratically-elected Aristide?
Or are we on the side of the military coup this time around?

Hmmm. Should be interesting.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:45 PM
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24. We are the coup
this whole thing stinks to high heaven. The coup leaders are all from the old Baby Doc crowd, with a lot of help from W's henchmen. Supposedly, the majority of Haitians do support Aristide and the Haitian government has begged the US and the world to help them. Instead, W is telling Aristide to go f off.

At least the world gets to see W's true colors. It will be a little harder for him to talk about freedom and democracy for the Iraqi people, when you are actively supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected leader?
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:54 PM
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27. If by democratically elected you mean...
Haiti

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2000
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
February 23, 2001

snip

On May 21, about 60 percent of the country's 4 million registered voters went to the polls to select from some 29,000 candidates for 11,000 local and national posts. International and domestic observers agreed that despite some scattered irregularities (polling booth intimidation, ballot stuffing, and publication of voting results before polling booths were closed), the elections were generally free and fair. Two election-related deaths were reported in a suburb of Port-au-Prince, where a candidate and policeman exchanged fire in an altercation away from a polling booth. On May 22, the HNP arrested and charged Paul Denis, an opposition party leader and former senator, for possession of illegal weapons. He later was released amidst allegations the arrest was motivated politically.


While the initial voting was generally free and fair, serious irregularities in the counting of votes and the computation of winners in certain senate races compromised the election. A December report by the Organization of American States (OAS) concluded that the voting process began to deteriorate after the closing of the polls. For example, armed groups stole and burned ballot boxes in the departments of the Center, North, and Artibonite. The delivery of voting materials (ballots, ballot boxes, pens, ink, and voter registration lists) in Port-au-Prince and Cap Haitien was chaotic and a substantial number of these materials may have been lost. The election controversy became serious with the publication of the results of the Senate races. Under the Constitution and electoral law, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of votes cast in order to be elected in the first round of voting. If no candidate receives a majority, a second-round runoff is required. The Senate results published by the CEP announced that the ruling Fanmi Lavalas party won 16 of the 17 Senate seats in the first round. These results were based on what opposition parties and independent observers termed a flawed interpretation of both the Constitution and the electoral law... A preliminary evaluation conducted by the OAS found that only 9 Senate seats should have been decided in the first round, while 10 should have gone to a second round. President Preval responded to the three CEP resignations by appointing replacement council members loyal to FL, who immediately certified the Senate results without addressing the controversial counting method.

The international community, local civic groups, and opposition parties called on the Government to address the controversy. The CEP ignored these protests and on July 9, held second-round races for deputies. There were no senatorial second-round contests. With an almost unanimous boycott by opposition parties and candidates, voter turnout for this round was significantly lower than in May, at reportedly only 5 percent. All international and most domestic observers refused to participate in monitoring the second round.

snip

Domestic human rights and opposition parties continued to protest the election results. Following his resignation, CEP president Leon Manus fled the country after being threatened repeatedly. He then issued a statement that acknowledged that the methodology used in counting votes for the Senate was flawed. On June 15 and 16, bands of pro-FL militants shut down metropolitan Port-au-Prince with barricades and tire burnings to protest international refusal to certify the results. International missions led by the OAS unsuccessfully attempted to encourage resolution of the May 21 elections dispute.

The international community and most opposition parties refused to help or take part in the November 26 presidential elections because of the unresolved controversy surrounding the May elections. Due to the lack of international observers, the local press monitored the election process....

The November 26 elections took place amidst heavy police security and were characterized by low turnout--accounts vary from the 5 percent to 20 percent. Aside from a pipe bomb that exploded in the Port-au-Prince suburb of Carrefour and the burning of ballots during the morning in the city of Anse d'Hainault, the elections generally passed without disturbance. With the opposition boycott, former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide faced only token opposition and was elected to a 5-year term with a reported 91.5 percent of the votes cast.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2000/wha/795.htm
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:30 PM
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25. US Mulls Sending Three Warships, Marines to Haiti
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=KQUGFWRVKX2QWCRBAEOCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=4458955§ion=news


....as the Pentagon weighs options to address the crisis, defense officials said on Friday.

...to protect Americans and U.S. facilities, or potentially to serve as a peacekeeping force depending on political developments, officials said.

...or to support U.S. Coast Guard ships trying to prevent a mass exodus of Haitian refugees


A reference.
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