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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:33 PM
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Insolvency for Social Security and Medicare Is Seen Closer
Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — The financial outlook for Medicare and Social Security has significantly worsened, as the bad economy and mounting job losses have pushed both programs years closer to insolvency, according to a grim report issued Tuesday by the Obama administration.

The new projection, in an annual report from the programs’ trustees, says that Medicare’s hospital insurance trust fund will be exhausted in 2017, just a year after President Obama would leave office if re-elected to a second term. Last year the trustees said they expected the fund to last until 2019.

The trustees also said that Social Security’s reserves now face depletion in 2037, four years sooner than the previous projection of 2041. The projections assume that there are no changes in current benefits, policies and tax rates.

The two programs, which serve more than 50 million people, are caught in a difficult dynamic linked largely to the recession: Millions fewer people are working and paying the taxes that support the programs; yet health care costs are continuing to soar, millions of baby boomers have begun receiving Social Security retirement benefits, and Americans are living longer.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/us/politics/13health.html?hp
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:36 PM
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1. Who is the knucklehead that recommended this?
:eyes:
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:41 PM
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2. Media and wealthy are pushing this BS - the congress critters and
other high government employees are responsible and can give up their retirements - The whole BFEE crew can go live off unemployment and low wage jobs
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:42 PM
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3. So why, you have to wonder, is the Obama administration pushing it?
All they need to do is eliminate the cap. Problem solved.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:48 PM
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4. 2037, which is 28 years from now, and only if we do nothing at all.
I hate it when the grabby bankers and brokers try to steal the huge SS surplus right out from under my nose!

Now, are there NO issues which peak before 2037?

Remove the cap, no problems at all.

Now can we get back to the daylight robbery of the treasury by the Wall street gang, millions unemployed, two illegal wars, and a few other tidbits?

Oh, wait, what was that about Miss California?
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:11 PM
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21. You hit the bulls-eye .
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windowpilot Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:56 PM
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5. Lets keep them on the subject of TOTURE!!! n/t
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Old Coot Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:59 PM
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6. It looks like they will try to make changes to Medicare....
which concerns me since I have it. I hope they don't make it worse.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:05 PM
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7. Social Security is going broke again!
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/05/12/social_security/ today

You are about to be hit by another wave of disinformation about how Social Security is going broke and needs reforming (meaning, your benefits must be cut). It's not true.

By Michael Lind

May 12, 2009 | On Tuesday, May 12, the trustees who oversee Social Security and Medicare will issue their annual report. I don't know what will be in the report. But I do know what the response will be. Conservatives, libertarians and center-right Democrats will take whatever the report says as evidence that there is an "entitlement crisis," which should require us not only to address spiraling healthcare costs (a genuine issue, affecting the private sector as well as Medicare and Medicaid) but also the alleged "crisis" of Social Security (an imaginary problem).

The coalition of libertarian zealots, Jeffersonian conservatives, center-right Democrats and bankers and brokers who would like to earn fees or commissions from the diversion of Social Security payroll taxes into IRAs recycles the same arguments against Social Security, rain or shine, boom or bust. They've been doing it for more than a quarter-century, ever since a couple of libertarians wrote up a guide for small-government conservatives on how to spread doubts about a popular, solvent and effective entitlement. These tried-and-true arguments will be dusted off and dragged through the media once again, after the latest Social Security Trustees' report is published. Among the bogus arguments you can expect:

The date at which Social Security will become bankrupt has advanced! From annual report to annual report, the two key dates -- the date at which Social Security payouts from the Trust Fund exceed payroll tax intake, and the date at which the Trust Fund is exhausted -- advance or retreat, depending on the contemporary economy and changes in calculations. For example, in 1997 payouts were supposed to exceed revenues in 2012 and the Trust Fund was supposed to be exhausted in 2029. By 2004, the trustees were more optimistic: The two dates were 2018 and 2042, respectively. If as a result of today's bad economic conditions future growth rates are revised and the two dates are slightly closer to the present in the latest report, should you be concerned? No. Relax. When estimates vary so much, it would be crazy to try to make public policy for the United States of nearly half a century from now.

We have only two choices, or a combination -- cutting benefits or raising the payroll tax. False.
There are at least two other choices that the deficit hawks never mention. One is more rapid economic growth, which would make it easier to pay Social Security taxes in the future without either benefit cuts or tax increases. The other option that the doomsayers never discuss is an infusion of money from other revenues, to supplement the payroll tax. Medicare is already paid for partly by a payroll tax and partly by general revenues. Why not cut the payroll tax and make up the difference out of general federal taxes? If you want to be revenue-neutral, the Social Security shortfall of about 2 percent of GDP between now and mid-century could be patched with general revenue funds diverted from defense, if without endangering our safety we could gradually lower defense spending from its present wartime level of about 4 percent of GDP to 2 percent, which is more than most other advanced industrial countries spend on defense.

Social Security and other entitlements are responsible for unfunded liabilities of more than $100 trillion -- and as the baby boomers begin to retire, the bill is coming due!
Total nonsense.

About a decade ago, conservative and libertarian economists who oppose Social Security, Medicare and other entitlements came up with a clever rhetorical strategy. They would calculate the gap between the payroll taxes that pay for these programs and estimated costs over time. But there was one problem: The gap isn't all that scary, at least in the near future. So in order to frighten the American people and their elected leaders, deficit hawks cite the sum total of Social Security's "unfunded liabilities" over 75 years. But even this -- a paltry $4.3 trillion over three-quarters of a century, according to the 2008 report -- isn't sufficiently terrifying.

...more...
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:24 PM
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8. NY Times, that bastion of unpartial truth. Try this link for reality based facts.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:48 PM
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9. I say if your bank account
Makes more interest than your SS benefits then you shouldn't be able to collect it. They should give you a tax break. Or if for some reason you lose your money you can go back to it.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:08 PM
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20. Nope...
Making SS a needs based program would destroy it. The original design works just fine with some occasional tweaking as demographics change, or eliminating the cap. Don't buy into the scare tactics. The plutocracy is trying to steal the trust fund from workers; that's all this is. They pull this crap periodically.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:48 PM
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10. Eliminate the cap!
It's idiocy that SS earnings are capped.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:58 PM
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24. Definitely. Remove the cap and the problem is solved.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:25 PM
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25. Two easy changes
1. Remove the cap on earnings.

2. Make the universal program universal by making excempt workers join the system.

Those two changes alone would help the program tremendously.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:07 PM
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11. Bring back our high paying jobs so we can contribute n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:12 PM
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12. Social security is funded by government fiat.
If it becomes "insolvent" it is because the Congress chooses not to find the money for it.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:35 PM
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13. At the same time that the support for a single payer healthcare system
is finally breaking into the MSM?

Concidence, I'm sure...

:eyes:
rocktivity
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:02 PM
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18. Seeing as how this report is released annually.
I'd say you're probably right.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:39 PM
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14. If they keep cutting wages and sending jobs offshore SS might go broke,
but it won't matter. Who will be left to collect??
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:51 PM
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15. Someone is "shoveling the bullsh*t" again with this article....eom
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:00 PM
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16. Looks like a preempt to privatize Medicare into the "New Health Plan."
Otherwise why would they set a place for AARP at the table? I wonder what the dollar figures are for AARP's fronting for insurance sales?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:30 PM
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19. It looks to me like the annual report they issue for Medicare
every year at this time of year.

Given the fact the economy has gone down the shitter, would you expect the projections to be more optimistic than they were a year ago?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:35 PM
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23. AARP is in league with United Health Group
I don't know what the dollar amounts are but I have no doubt that both AARP and UHG are salivating/
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newinnm Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:45 PM
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17. Geithner: Need consensus to tackle Social Security
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Tuesday said that the Obama administration wants to find a political middle-ground for dealing with the Social Security Trust Fund, which will be exhausted by 2037.

"The President explicitly rejects the notion that Social Security is untouchable politically and instead believes there is opportunity for a new consensus on Social Security reform," Geithner said at a press conference.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE54B62Z20090512
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:30 PM
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22. Gore Vidal says we only have one party, the Business Party,
and he is correct. And the late George Carlin was right when he said the owner class wants it all...and they're going to get it.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:32 PM
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26. Are we scare enough to avoid changes?
Edited on Tue May-12-09 11:32 PM by AlphaCentauri
Lets reform every aspect of this failed economic system once an for all to benefit the people not corporations
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