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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:41 PM
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"You all look the same to me"
U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown verbally attacked a top Bush administration official during a Washington briefing on the Haiti crisis Wednesday, calling the president's policy on the beleaguered nation ''racist'' and his representatives ''a bunch of white men.''
Her outburst was directed at Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega during a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill. Noriega, a Mexican-American, is the State Department's top official for Latin America.

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Noriega later told Brown: ''As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a white man,'' according to three participants.

Brown then told him ''you all look alike to me,'' the participants said.

snip

Personally I don't think we have room for this sort of thing in the Party. Corrine Brown owes an apology to everyone involved.


http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/022604/met_14923147.shtml
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:44 PM
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1. skin color doesn't matter
if you're a rethuglican - you're a white male!

How long has Haiti been in Latin America?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:27 PM
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5. I guess since their language comes from latin and they are in America.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:46 PM
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2. Assimilated
We have been assimilated into Con culture/language.

Wake up Progressives.

O
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:05 PM
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3. Who is this Noriega?
It seems to me that I've heard his name linked to Haiti in another context. Maybe Maxine Waters mentioned him, but I don't recall the reference.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:13 PM
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4. He has been behind previous coups in Haiti on the payroll of CIA
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 04:16 PM by phoebe
Ms. Brown spelt out exactly what she meant and rightly so.
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:28 PM
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6. I don't know about Roger Noriega
I'd like to see something on his involvement in a coup. I saw that he was a sort of protege of Jesse Helms.

Still, I think you're way off the mark on Brown's outburst. Another story on Google-News had more detail. Noriega asked her "Do I look white to you? Does (named someone else at the table) look white to you"?

Her response was "You all look the same to me".

Sorry Phoebe but these are very dangerous code words. We would never excuse a white person from using them and just because Brown is a black woman does not excuse her either. There's simply no room for this sort of thing in the Party. It is not only wrong, it's stupid. It gives the other side too much ammo politically.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:47 PM
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7. Actually, I think she used it the right way
They do all look alike (on paper) when it comes to ideology and policy. Besides, it is sometimes hard to determine someone's "race" if you can't see his or her face due to their head being shoved up their (or the president's) butt.
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bpyatt Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:48 PM
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8. I agree
Stupid comment and she should apologize.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:59 PM
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10. "code" words are used daily by all sorts of people in everyday
conversation without much thought, regardless of party, religion or color so spare me ..
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:13 PM
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11. Would you accept the same words so blithely
if uttered by a white man to a room full of minorities? I doubt it very seriously Phoebe so.....spare me.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:32 PM
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13. that is precisely my point - people of every class and color do it
every day AND "blithely" get away with it. Noriega is doing it with policy, Ms. Brown is doing it with words. What's the difference?

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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:42 PM
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14. I don't do it
I don't hang around with anyone who does it. And I do not accept it from anyone, anytime. I've lost a lot of friends because I wouldn't hang around with anyone who says n***er. But hey, that's just me.

If you want to put up with blatant racism and hate-speech, I guess I can't stop ya.

Toodles, Phoebe
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:38 PM
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22. Using a "Mexican American" (code) to enforce racist policy in
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 09:07 PM by phoebe
Haiti to, in effect "teach thousands of poor Haitians a lesson" (code)that the US won't tolerate (code) democracy (code)is the height of hypocrisy. Ms. Brown said that in blunt terms and was called on it and yet Mr. Noriega is a "good guy" (code)? Like I said, racism is couched and coded into all sorts of language and behavior all day, every day.

Let's focus on the bigger picture here - the plight of thousands of Haitians who are at the mercy of these absolute thugs and who are providing yet another diversion for this US administration.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 06:25 PM
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18. Roger Noriega is loathesome, wouldn't be tolerated by a Democrat
in the President's office. Simply wouldn't get anywhere near the Department of State. These people are scum.

(snip) The Bush Administration has been content to slowly strangle Haiti's economy by maintaining an international aid embargo against the country, an embargo that former Senator Jesse Helms helped initiate in the final months of the Clinton Administration.

Rightwing ideologues in the Bush Administration have done all they can to undermine Aristide. The Latin America team features Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, his deputy Daniel Fisk, and White House adviser Otto Reich. All three "were protégés of ex-Senator Helms," notes the Council on Hemispheric Affairs. "It was this group of zealots and hardliners who, off the record, let it be known to all concerned that the Bush Administration would countenance regime change in Haiti."

Secretary of State Colin Powell has been playing good cop to these bad cops, as Bill Fletcher of TransAfrica has noted. Powell recently said that the "elected president" should not be "forced out of office by thugs."
(snip)

The opposition forces include some of the people who participated in the coup in 1991 and others who committed brutal atrocities during the junta's rule. While Aristide has accepted the need to compromise and has even offered to share power, they have not, though they have but 20 percent support in the country, according to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs.
(snip/...)

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-06.htm

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Anyone who isn't aware of Jesse Helms obsesssion with forcing every square inch of the Western Hempisphere to serve the most right wing elements of this country simply hasn't been doing his/her homework.

You really hate to see people coming into message boards with absolutely no grasp of what has happened in Latin American and Caribbean history at the hands of a lunatic fringe in the U.S.


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(snip) "I challenge the Department of State to find out about this man (Mr. Apaid)," Congressional Black Caucus member Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) told reporters on Capitol Hill Feb. 11. "Why do we have someone in Haiti that holds an American passport, owning factories in Haiti, triggering a coup d’etat, and leading the so-called opposition to a democratically elected president?

"Andre Apaid is ferociously adamant about forcing Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the first democratically-elected president in the history of Haiti, out of office," Rep. Waters said, just two days after returning from her second visit to the country this year.

Despite official assurances that the U.S., Canada and other Caribbean countries are against forcing Mr. Aristide from office before his term is scheduled to end in Feb. 2006, the U.S. government may be "winking and nodding" signals to the opposition to continue its efforts to overthrow the government, she said.
(snip)

"(Mr. Noriega) hates Haiti. He’s been a part of that shadow hand and group in the Congress of the United States that has been working against Haiti for years. Mr. Noriega put out a press statement that blamed the government for the recent crisis that was initiated by the thugs and the opposition up in Gonaives where the so-called rioting is taking place," Rep. Waters continued.

"The protests he organizes have become increasingly violent. Police officers are confronted, property is damaged, and roads are blocked. It is my belief that Andre Apaid is attempting to instigate a bloodbath in Haiti and then blame the government for the resulting disaster, in the belief that the United States will aid the so-called protestors against President Aristide and his government," she said.
(snip)

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1308.shtml

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(snip) • The State Department under Secretary of State Powell and his Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, at first appears to have remained inactive over Haiti, which is in itself a policy. Rather than rushing down anti-riot equipment to Port-Au-Prince, as it repeatedly has done in other cases where constitutional governments are being threatened by street mobs, U.S. officials have sat on their hands waiting for a successful coup scenario to unfold. Meanwhile, rather than seek to trigger a process in the OAS to pacify the burgeoning threat to the Aristide government, and most of all, lift the U.S. imposed freeze on hundreds of millions of dollars in aid pledged to Port-Au-Prince (which has economically asphyxiated the island), Noriega and his department stall for time and await some new incident in which the Aristide government is further undermined and discredited. Meanwhile, the opposition groups, which have long been funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, through the International Republican Institute, and coddled by hardliner Republican policymakers, seek to preserve the legacy of longtime Aristide-hater, former Senator Jesse Helms.

• Given the opposition’s heavy dependence on U.S. support, an open and specific denunciation of their obstructionist tactics by the Bush administration could immediately force the Democratic Convergence and Group 184 to abandon their attempts to overthrow the Aristide government by intimidation, threats and street violence. Refusing to force them to turn to negotiation, the administration has not uttered even a weak acknowledgment of the latter’s culpability in the deteriorating situation in Haiti. Instead, it covertly works for Aristide’s resignation, which in fact is Washington’s very policy, as it acknowledges that it is preparing to house upwards of 15,000 Haitian boat people after they are interdicted on their way to Florida.
(snip)

Meanwhile, the Bush administration has coolly signaled its passivity if not acquiescence regarding the effort of this non-representative cabal to oust President Aristide, who was popularly elected in what was only the third free election in Haiti’s history. The State Department, with practiced diplomatic obfuscation, has stated that “we recognize that reaching a political settlement will require some fairly thorough changes in the way Haiti is governed.” A State Department official later clarified this statement by noting that this “could indeed involve changes in Aristide’s position.” Thus, while President Bush and his would-be kingmakers in the bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs tout their efforts to build democracy abroad, the president’s Latin American team headed by the State Department’s Roger Noriega and Dan Fisk, along with the White House’s Otto Reich, all but openly support the unseating of an Aristide government. These actions are a clear signal that the most flagrant excesses of Cold War policy towards the hemisphere are still being nurtured in Washington by those who emotionally need some leftist figure to bash, even if such a person poses no threat to this country’s national interests.
(snip)


Yet no such call has been forthcoming; on the contrary, the State Department is subtlety supporting the opposition’s attempts to undemocratically oust President Aristide in a scenario of “regime change” that must by now be quite familiar to Secretary of State Colin Powell. The reasons for Washington’s openly anti-Aristide policy are not hard to discern. U.S. foreign policy towards Latin America remains in the hands of a small group of hardline policymakers led by Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega and Special Presidential Envoy Otto Reich, the ideological heirs to former Senator Jesse Helms, who is said to have never met a right-wing Latin American dictator he didn’t like. Conversely, he also had little affection for democratically-elected presidents, among which was his nemesis Aristide, who he considered to be the next Castro of the Caribbean. These Washington extremists have had no interest in ensuring that Aristide serves out his constitutionally mandated tenure; on the contrary, they are no doubt eager to see him go, and hence quite content to let the opposition continue to wreak havoc without meddlesome interference from the Washington other than a stream of pro-forma statements about how troubled the White House is by the violence in Haiti, but unaccompanied by desperately needed anti-riot equipment shipments to Port-Au-Prince.
(snip)

http://www.coha.org/NEW_PRESS_RELEASES/New_Press_Releases_2004/04.07_Haiti_Waiting.htm

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(snip) The Bush administration is contributing to misery in Haiti by blocking the disbursement of some $500 million in international development aid and loans because it doesn't like the Haitian president. "We have very serious concerns about the leadership of Jean Bertrand Aristide," said Roger Noriega, U.S. representative to the Organization of American States (OAS) and former chief of staff of archconservative Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C. Whatever Noriega's problems with him are, Aristide was unquestionably elected president by a democratic majority in 2000, unlike George W. Bush.

Noriega denies any U.S. aid embargo. "We have given over $120 million worth of assistance to Haiti in the last two years," he says. But aid has not gone to the Haitian government but to nongovernmental organizations that are often working at cross-purposes with the Haitian government.

Meanwhile, over the past eight years, Washington has funneled some $70 million to create, fund and organize an opposition to President Aristide. Bush administration officials will not release aid until this opposition has wrested power, or at least a power-sharing arrangement, from Aristide's Fanmi Lavalas Party. This is Washington's version of a democratic struggle.
(snip)

http://www.progressive.org/Media%20Project%202/mpin602.html
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:55 PM
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9. Is Noriega Indian or white? Just becuase he's Mexican doesn't mean he
isn't white.

And it seems to me the message from Brown is still legitimate--it's a racist policy created by a bunch of white men, whether or not Brown is white.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:25 PM
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12. Obviously her sarcasm was lost on you. n/t
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turnhardleft Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:47 PM
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15. And if she was white
It would be lost on you?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:59 PM
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16. Brown was wrong. She should apologize.
I understand her frustration. Like all of us, she did her job for years in Free America. Now that's dying and the ground has shifted under everyone's feet.

I don't think America has evertasted the Imperial Boot on the Neck before. And even though it's very gentle right now (compared to China, Russia, or other Non-Free Worl Nations to which we now technically belong), I have no doubt that all over the nation, tempers are heating up.

Both from Free America, and from the Busheviks who just want endless unchecked One-Party-Rule with no checks and balances, and can;t understand the Filthy Little Nobodies' obsession with Liberty.

Just like the last King George...
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 06:33 PM
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20. I agree. nt
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 06:00 PM
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17. Oh good grief
Some people will excuse retchid behavior from anyone if they have a (D) after their name.

I just read this article, and my first impression is that her behavior was atrocious. She doesn't like the policy on Haiti so she has license to suggest Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, a Mexican-American, is a racist? Then when he defends himself she says, "you all look alike to me"? And this is okay because why? Because she is a Democrat. I can only imagine the firestorm that would erupt on DU if any Republican had said anything, on the record and quoted in the press, like this.

Most Americans don't want to send troops to Haiti. I don't want to send troops to Haiti. Personally, I think Jean-Bertrand Aristide is a crook and that we should have never propped him up. Talk about interfering in other countries.

Saying that, I can see how others may have a different view. Much of the Black Caucus, who know this issue better than I, may believe I am totally wrong - and I could well be. But because I disagree with someone does not give me the right to suggest they are a racist and then to follow up by saying "you all look alike to me".

That is just rotten behavior on Rep. Corrine Brown's part, and it shouldn't be excused.

Imajika
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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 06:32 PM
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19. Sometimes people make it oh-so-easy
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 06:47 PM by SmokeyBlues
This is too funny! Some people are upset that Brown accused all the Mexican-American dudes in the meeting as supporting a "racist" policy and looking white. But no one has yet pointed out this little gem by Noriega himself:

Noriega later told Brown: "As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a "white man," according to three participants.

So, let's see if I got this thing right. Noriega is upset not only because Brown accused him of being a "racist", but also because she accused him of being a "white man" (or at least looking like one). Or, in his very own words, "being branded (permanent scarring implication going on here!) a white man."

I'm surprised that no one has asked the obvious question (at least obvious to me): what does Noriega have against white men in particular that he would "resent" being "branded" a white man?

But first things first here. Let's make sure that all the world is sufficiently made aware of Brown's intolerance.

I tell you, folks gotta keep their eyes on all those minorities --regardless of skin color-- 'cause they can be tricky at times. B-)

On edit: Rep. Mark Foley (R-Vote Suppressor) is "disappointed"? Yeah, right!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:15 PM
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21. Plenty of Mexican whites are racist.
Everyone knows that there's racism by the white minority in Mexico. The Republican "Hispanics" certainly choose to distinguish themselves from Latino and Chicano Democrats.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:56 AM
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23. Turley
When posting in LBN, please match the article title with the title of your post.

"Brown: Haiti policy 'racist'"

Thanks.

Link to LBN Rules
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