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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:35 AM
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Judge removes (2nd) juror in Liberty City Six terror trial
Source: Miami Herald

A federal judge removed a juror Tuesday from the 12-member panel deciding the fate of the Liberty City Six, a group of Miami men charged in a domestic terrorism plot, saying she refused to participate in deliberations.

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''She doesn't open the book and follow what we're doing,'' testified the jury foreman, a Hispanic man. ``She refuses to answer our questions. Her mind is made up.''
Another juror, a white non-Hispanic woman, said: ``She made a statement that we could sit there for years and we weren't going to change her mind.''

Following instructions from the judge, none of the jurors indicated which way the recalcitrant woman was leaning, for or against conviction.

The female black juror didn't show up for deliberations Monday after the other jurors had accused her of refusing to participate Friday, saying in a note that ''she doesn't believe in the law or trust the law.'' The juror, in her own note, said she felt ''under attack'' and was ''physically threatened,'' according to snippets disclosed in court.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1033230.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:40 AM
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1. Judge in Fla. terror trial denies mistrial

Posted on Monday, 05.04.09
By CURT ANDERSON
AP Legal Affairs Writer

MIAMI -- A federal judge on Monday refused to grant a third mistrial ...

U.S. District Judge Joan Lenard said she would decide Tuesday if the juror should be kicked off the panel after the 11 other members accused her of refusing to deliberate and indicating she would not follow the law. Deliberations have been stalled since Friday.

The woman, known publicly only as Juror No. 4, said at a hearing that the dispute was making her ill.

"I'm willing to follow the law, but I'm still entitled to what I feel," she said. "Everybody was on my case" ...

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1031113.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:43 AM
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2. FLORIDA: Liberty 6 juror removed
... "She violated her oath and duty as a juror," said U.S. District Judge Joan Lenard.

The judge replaced the recalcitrant juror, a black woman, with an alternate, a black man -- then instructed the newly formed 12-member panel to "disregard all initial deliberations and votes as if they had never occurred" ...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-tc-nw-briefs-05065may06,0,6766448.story
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:10 AM
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3. 12 angry men and women?
Gotta get out before happy hour.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:22 AM
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4. Sounds like she was a vote to acquit. I'm really hoping for a 3rd mistrial here... n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:18 PM
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5. If you don't like a juror's postion, get rid of them. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:31 PM
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6. They probably can't stand the thought of loosing their THIRD attempt to put these men
in prison as proof there is a vast Islamic conspiracy, even if it means using immigrant Haitians to stand in as Islamic terrorists.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 05:56 PM
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7. Yet the Miamicuban exile terrists (Alpha 66, Commandos F4, CANF, etc) are heroic"freedom fighters".
These Miami based groups run terrorist ops against Cuba, in Cuba, regularly - and then their leaders boast about it on Miami AM exile radio stations. Some of these terra foundations are tax exempt orgs and some even funded with US taxpayer dollars!

The hypocrisy is stunning - and well known in the LAtin Americas and Caribbean.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:15 PM
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8. Completely mind-boggling. I've heard about one of the radical terrorists bragging
that when they were discovered by the Coast Guard, headed off for Cuba, armed to the teeth with a floating arsenal, the Coast Guard simply let them go. I've heard their boasts, too, that even the FBI looks the other way where they are concerned.

I remember reading the FBI spokeswoman for years in Miami is herself a Cuban "exile," Judy Aruela, or something similar, and the FBI in Florida has done HORRIBLE things to indulge this terrorism.

Who will ever forget the fact that five Cuban men came to Florida to find out what the Cuban terrorists had planned to do to Cuba next, so they might be able to warn their countrymen in time, to keep more murders/bombings/crop burnings/livestock poisoning, etc. from happening, the men gathering their information until they had enough, then going, like naive schoolchildren to the FBI, bringing their evidence with them, imagining the FBI would simply go arrest the terrorists, only to be horrified when the FBI actually threw them in prison, after a grotesque shrieking trial, in which the same terrorists they had been trying to thwart themselves, ended up sitting right in the courtroom, staring at them while they were railroaded, and condemned to prison for the rest of their adult lives, in a trumped up trial even an appeals court found was grossly unfair, with that finding overthrown by some Bush pressured court in the end, and scattered to the ends of this country where they have been kept in isolation, and not allowed to see their wives, children, or other family members.

Unbelieably cruel, and vicious. Just the way some people like it. What a damned shame.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:10 AM
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10. Right you are.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:23 PM
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9. Let's see . . . think, think
None of the jurors indicated which way the recalcitrant woman was leaning, for or against conviction. Yet the note to the judge says the woman doesn't believe in the law or trust the law, not an uncommon occurrence among black people if The Chappelle Show is any indication. So do you suppose she thought the prosecution had proved its case beyond not just a reasonable doubt, but beyond any doubt whatsoever, or did she think that there was no way in hell you could trust the cops to give fair evidence against six poor black men?

Boy, it's a stumper for sure.
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