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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:35 AM Original message |
Abu Ghraib Head: We Were Scapegoated |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow. Rats definitely jumping ship now. |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I Don't Think She Is A Rat Jumping Ship Here - She Always Stuck By This ......... |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Who knows what the recriminations might have been if people made statements |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. She's said the same thing all along. nt |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. She did say that |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Some did, the so-called "media" never reported it |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. She did ... you were not listening.. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yeah it is |
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spartan61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. She spoke very truthfully in her book, ONE WOMAN'S ARMY. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. She's no rat. She was screwed. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. Scapegoats or not "following orders" STILL doesn't cut it... |
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GoldenOldie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Gen Karpinski (Res), did speak out..... |
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Johnyawl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Are you a veteran? I ask because this statement... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That's easy for you to say! I've got a mouse pointed directly at my head right now! |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. damn good call yesterday, right you are |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. "in the heat of combat" maybe, just maybe, stretches the boundaries of murdering a civilian..however |
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Johnyawl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I understand Abu Graib wasn't a combat "situation"... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. No I'm sorry but that's wrong. Combat zone or not , soldiers, under orders, tortured people... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And they were trained by our government... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Fucking BULLSHIT. TORTURE HAS BEEN ILLEGAL FOR DECADES. |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Agreed. This changes nothing. In fact, you could argue it makes |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. everything seems to be unravelling a little faster than usual. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Not even 12 hours from when I mentioned Janis Karpinski. :) |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. *hands in the air* |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. words to the effect |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
9. i heard her on the radio a few years back |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Her despair was over the degradation of the military and her country - not herself. |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. wrong |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. Sorry, but no sympathy from me. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. She tried to - but you apparently missed the story at the time. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The problem is, that's not what she was saying before Abu Ghraib broke: |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Selectively and totally off point. Cheers. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I posted her own words before the scandal broke. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Uh... you didn't prove your assertion here. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. I seem to remember that .. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. If you look at the article, she mentions all three groups. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. yeah..I don't think she was fine with it... |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. She was a scapegoat; it was always obvious to me. Just to remember |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. "Lyndie Englishes " were encouraged by the BFEE & PNAC gangs - they couldn't have survived otherwise |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. yup |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't excuse her from any responsibility for what happened, but... |
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lucretia54 (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. YES, it's true that enough hasn't been said about what went on in Bagram and... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
38. "we were following orders" didn't work for the Nazis, asshole. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
44. Yes, the orders came from the very top down |
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