'Kelly was Murdered' Says UK Intelligence Insider

[joeunderdog]

Shocking new details about the death of Dr David Kelly emerged exclusively today on the Alex Jones radio show. Michael Shrimpton, a UK national security lawyer who was a guest on the show, revealed that sources within MI5 and MI6 are `furious' that Kelly was murdered.

Shrimpton spoke in depth about the details of Kelly's murder on 17th July 2003, information which has been withheld by the British press.

With apparent backing from the organisations whose members he claims to speak for, Shrimpton presented their view that Dr Kelly had been murdered by a team of assassins and the charade of an apparent suicide was then played out to cover this up.

Speaking with impeccable credentials, including contributions to the Journal for International Security Affairs and having previously given a closed-doors confidential briefing to the US Senate Intelligence Committee, Shrimpton exploded the much-reported myth that Dr Kelly had taken his own life.

more...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html

[aquart]

1. Alex Jones????

You'd think a team of assassins could have done a bit better.

Now, I believe Kelly was murdered. But I'll believe we're hearing the truth when it's on a venue that is not Jones.

[Room101]

2. Alex "their's a computer chip in your head" Jones

This man finds a grain of sand and declares the finding of a beach.
This is the same guy who called Noam Chomsky a new world order shrill.

[metisnation]

3. Scary thought

:tinfoilhat:

cia?

[Crachet2004]

24. On a subject like this, it may be necessary to use whatever....

venue comes to hand, in order to get the ball rolling. Corporate media, shy away from this kind of stuff, preferring to do a story about the story, rather than carrying the ball themselves.

But with this guy's credentials, this story WILL have some legs, as a lot of people are getting really suspicious about all the convenient suicides and accidents that seem to occur only to left-leaners and fellow travelers, ie those whose existence and/or testimony would aid the left. It is statistically impossible, simply put. Given the numbers, there really does have to be a right wing conspiracy. Republicans never die in small planes, and the only one of their presidents or candidates shot was Reagan (by a Bush family friend!), and he lived through it. (I always wondered how badly he was really hit-did they lie about that too?)

On the face of it, this sounds like British intelligence outing the story in order to deny culpability-but I don't think it is, they really just want it to die, and this bullshit story is an attempt at that. Blair&co contracted it entirely on their own, they seem to be saying (it wasn't us!) yeah, right. So who to blame it on? I know! The Iraqi's and the French! Everyone hates them, don't they?

Well. The above, seems a little wierd to me. I believe Kelly was murdered alright, and so do a hell of a lot of other people. I think the Iraqi/French subplot is being used to discredit the whole idea of assasination! The only question I have now is, will the whole story be discredited and fade away because part of the plot is puposefully assinine? Is this an example of mind-controlling on a story that won't go away? Is this one of the techniques intelligence agencies use to control or kill a story? I think it is.

[nolabels]

26. Did you say you wanted something about theJohn Hinckley deal?

Some people dislike this thread, but lots info here so it comes to mind
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853
It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
(snip)
#75 I dare say they waited 4 or 5 years too long to pull PNAC off

How it relates this article here relates to a lot of what is been covered on this thread and the other links to other articles pulls a lot of other things together. These racist secret tribal cohorts started many moons ago. Now sons and grandsons are invested into this, much like any organized crime organization. The only difference I can really see between them is the Nazi's and organized crime is they are people like the Gambinos had some semblance of Honor.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=3...

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
(snip)
This is the extrordinary story of a dinner date. A dinner date that was scheduled to happen on march 31st 1981 - the day of the strange assassination attempt on the life of Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the president. And George Bush Sr, the very ambitious former CIA director from Texas was the Vice President.
What makes this dinner date so special that night was it’s two guests. Hold on to your seats because the following news item should send a chill up your spine. The dinner party was to be held at the home of Neil Bush, the vice president’s son. The guest at the dinner party (which was quickly cancelled after news of the failed attempt on the life of the President), was Scott Hinckley the brother of John Hinckley who just that afternoon fired several shots into Reagans chest, coming one half inch from putting his bullet into the heart of the President - a half inch from putting his friend’s father, George Bush, into the White House.

Now lets pause a moment and reflect on that. So far what we have is the son of the Vice President linked to the brother of the guy who just tried to kill the president. Take a moment to absorb that.
Go look it up on Google. Type in (neil bush scott hinckley dinner) See for yourself.
What was the Bush team’s response to this chilling revelation on the planned dinner date? They barricaded themselves behind a wall of the biggest PR Firms in the nation and issued the following statement “This horrible coincidence has been devastating to the Bush Family. Our condolences go out to all involved. And we hope to get the matter behind us as soon as possible.” (sic)
(snip)

[Crachet2004]

27. Yeah, good info...

This is what I'm talking about-how many coincidences like this go down before it is statistically impossible to believe they are, in fact, coincidences? I think we are pretty far past that point.

[nolabels]

29. We are always trying to get to the bottom of things around here

But every time we do, the bottom just gets so much lower

Things that seem hard to contemplate are things like this story

State Dept. Worker Found Dead Outside Agency

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=207591

Realy strange this could happen and nobody knows nothing

[Crachet2004]

34. No shoes? Someone killed him.

There won't be any investigation either. If local cops tried to butt in, they would be quietly told that it was being investigated already, with regards to national security...that would be the end of it. I'll bet the Medical Examiner won't even check for tranquilizers in the blood.

I saw "Operation Artichoke" on Link TV. Shoving people out of windows was a favorite CIA way of snuffing people, back in the 60's, probably still is. They told how high it had to be and everything.

Spooky stuff...and anyone can, just disappear. But I really believe, that in the long run the web will turn out to be what turns the tide, against those who rule through fear and secrecy. The internet is a Freedom thing and it is a Democracy thing...and it is still in it's infancy-it will only become a more powerful tool as time goes on. In 10 or 20 years, the world will be far more awake and informed about these kinds of goings on than even we are now. Young, connected people are going to remake the world and nothing can stop it. The lies our leaders tell can be instantly checked-and the data bases are becoming more searchable and easier to use all the time. Let the cockroaches scuttle while they can. Their days are numbered.

[CHIMO]

4. Bullshit...

What secret intelligent service could achieve such a cold spy entree.

[Emillereid]

5. Alex Jones might have loose marbles for brains, but does anyone know about

the legitimacy of this Shrimpton fellow?

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

6. Anti-Europe rightwing shill

anyone who thinks that French spooks with an Iraqi hit-squad assassinated Kelly & it's being covered up by the pro-Euro press is seriously pushing an agenda. Whether he's doing it of his own volution or its some bizarre attempt to cement anti EU / Blair opinion among the US right I don't know.

Check out his remarks at the following JINSA conference for an idea of where he's coming from:

http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1307/documentid/1309/history/3,2359,2166,1306,1307,1309

[plaguepuppy]

10. And why wouldn't the Brits do it themselves?

They have the motive and the means, why complicate it with all those furriners? And an oddly infelicitous choice of foreigners for anything but right-wing propaganda purposes - Hell, why not throw in Canada?

[RainDog]

13. my speculation

fwiw...which means it is worth nothing, except as an exercise in hmmm-ness...

there are reasons to think that Iraqis might want to shut up Dr. Kelly...especially those allied with the neo-con's puppet, Chalabi, since he was also the one feeding false information to Judith Miller, who was also an acquaintance, since the world of WMD scientists and reporters is not a huge group.

Kelly went outside of the circle when he talked to the BBC, outside of the control of the information available.

Since Chalabi has since gone on record as noting that, yeah, maybe the war was based on lies but he doesn't care cause he wanted Saddam gone and he made an alliance with the neo-cons who also wanted Saddam gone, and none of them had to shed a drop of blood to do so, because they could use the American military like a private army to invade another country based upon lies and an agenda which has nothing to do with those stated by the neo-cons.

And if someone wanted to spread disinformation to take the heat off the real culprits, who better to blame than the freedom fryers?

all that said, I do not know if Kelly was murdered or not.

I do think it's interesting, though, that a right-winger is floating the idea..

of course, maybe the reason is simply to discredit Blair, who, though he's Bush's poodle, he's still not one of their own, ala Maggie Hatchet Thatcher.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

31. Although I do think that Kelly committed suicide

it wouldn't totally suprise me to learn otherwise.

When I learnt of his death, I remember wondering about groups like the INC (especially given the flare-up regarding Judith Miller at that time (& the whole "dark actors playing games" email), but I just don't know any reason why they would particularly fear anything he had to say (we'd already gone to war after all).

I also can't think of any possible motive for British intelligence -- when they knew he had spoken to Gilligan (and Susan Watts (BBC) and Nick Rufford (Times) and the Guardian journalist (re those weather balloon 'portable biological labs'), they could have nailed him under the Official Secrets Act & slapped a D-notice on the whole thing. Equally, suspicion would quickly fall upon Blair is fowl play was beleived because the Campbell v BBC fight was well under way by then, with a stream of ministers & ex-ministers rolling up their sleeves to get a hit on the Beeb.

But anyway -- he may or may not have been killed. I wouldn't pretend to be qualified to look at the medical evidence that was presented to the inquiry (& the countless other stuff that the coroner, Nicholas Gardner, & the Thames Valley Police investigation turned up. Gardiner has said that he wants to hold an inquest (which was suspended follwoign the announcement of Hutton) so maybe there is more material to be gained.

However, the thesis that Michael Shrimpton presents I found highly suspect. I just listened to the interview with Alex Jones & the story above is a pretty accurate summation. Shrimpton believes that elements around Blair commissioned French intelligence to kill Kelly just over a week before he died. French intelligence in turn hired a group of ex-Saddam secret police (who had been granted safe custody before the war to Syria), who were flown via Corsica to England where they killed Kelly and were then in turn murdered by French intelligence. Mi5 & Mi6 had no knowledge of this, however the plan was known "to sections of Whitehall" for some time. France did the favour because they desperately want to keep Blair in power, because he is their puppet & will "help Blair destroy British national sovereinty" by taking us into the Euro.

His claim, that the reason the murder is being covered up is due to the complicity of the English press in wanting the Euro, is laughable. The only two papers which could be descibed as 'pro-Euro' are the Guardian & the Independent -- & they could hardly be described as 'pro-Blair' in recent months. Also, if Blair, at the behest of his Brussell's puppetmasters (per Shrimpton), is desperate to get us into the Euro, we'd be there by now. Equally, The Times (Murdoch/pro Blair) has run several stories questioning the suicide verdict, but there is little to go on without extrapolating from what details are known (ie one witness said Kelly's head was resting against the tree, another said Kelly's head was just touching the tree ergo the body was moved ergo murder) so their stories have been "(Insert person here) questions Kelly suicide verdict"

However, back to Shrimpton before I end -- he totally shot any credibility he may have (to me anyway) later in the interview when he listed a string of people he claims have been assassinated by conspiracy - from the Brighton bomb being from a foreign power (ie France/Germany to get rid of anti-Euro Thatcher) to Pim Fortyn ("I clearly saw an earpiece in a photo of the alleged assassin") to Rabin (his bodyguards) to the Sweedish Foreign Minister (name forgotten -- to blame the 'NO on euro' campaign) to Princess Di to JFK (well I might give him that one!). The reason I was even more suprised by this outburst of conspiracy is that the organization he co-chairs (the Bruges Group) has some extrememly high profile patrons (Maggie beign the most famous) so his motivation is rather odd to say the least. Headlines like "Co-Chair of leading Euro-Skeptic group goes conspiracy crazy" could easily come from this interview tainting the various Lords, MP's & academics associated with the Bruges Group. It's an interesting turn of events indeed. But when all's said & done, fuck knows what the British far-right's up to. I think they just miss David Stirling & Walter Walker ;)

[papau]

9. yes - posted below some comments by him - seems a nut

:-)

[CaptainMidnight]

7. Jones' credibility

Regardless of what you think of Jones' assertions about EVERYTHING, I think everybody needs to take these things, including Jones' various conspiracies on a case by case basis. I mean, isn't that WHY most of us are Democrats and HERE at DU?

Because we can disseminate, we can think critically, and we see the GREYS, not just black and white.

Jones DOES have some credibility IMHO. Plus, if you have an INKLING of any of information that's out there regading David Kelly's "suicide," you'll know there's LOTS of other sources and OTHER EVIDENCE pointing to the fact that he was murdered. I think Jones is right on the money, here. My only quibble with Jones is that he tends to shout, and at times sounds like Rush Limbo.

I mean, just go to Jeff Rense's site, Rense.com. Rense has had some GREAT and important guests on his show, biologists, scientists, investigators and journalists whose stories and books end up being highly informative and highly prescient. Just read the headlines at Rense.com, and you'll see that the man is on top of some very important breaking stories BEFORE the corporate media even bothers to.

Problem is, when you arrive at his opening page, you see the pictures and UFO's and crop circles, and I will totally admit, it seems nuts. I send a lot of people over to that site and ask them to forgive the flying saucer stuff and the chemtrails information.

But that's just it. Keep an open mind. Disseminate, and don't be like the Rush dittoheads or the watchers of FOX NEWS, that either wholly BELIEVE, or wrongfully CONDEMN. To them, NOTHING exists between.

Captain Mike

[papau]

8. Crazy Alex had a Tory nut on that agrees with Bush - and we discuss

the event on DU ?? - then again I also think Kelly was killed. so why not.

in any case the stuff below came up via Goodle - its a few extracts from the transcript of a panel he was on to discuss the correctness of the Bush approach! read it and weap! :-(

:-)

Now, my group is dedicated to bringing the United Kingdom out of the European Union

The emphasis on the United Nations, the emphasis on coalition building, is nothing more than a sham, in order to restrict America's perfectly proper response in circumstances where an act of war was committed on American soil

And, the reality is the Germans have been back in Baghdad for years. The chemical weapons installations in Iraq didn't just happen, they got a lot of help from the Soviets, but they have had help from the French, and they have had help from the Germans.
And, in 1991 in the Gulf War, the French and the Germans didn't want Baghdad toppled, because they were sympathetic at the end of the day to Saddam Hussein, and it wasn't in their geopolitical interest for Hussein to be toppled, and that's one of the reasons why we didn't take Saddam down when we had the chance, as I think we would have done had Margaret Thatcher still been in office in Downing Street.

war, not law and order……after you've won the war, then you can go back to the sort of civil liberties, protection of human rights, that a democracy would expect to have in times of peace, not in times of danger. ……Shadow Home Secretary(meaning Tory – conservative) raised this with me two weeks ago

[JohnyCanuck]

11. Medical specialists publicly called for inquest to be reopened

Some British medical specialist are also questioning the suicide verdict and asking for the inquest to be reopened.


<snip>
On February 10, Dr Rouse wrote to the BMJ explaining that he and his colleague, Yaser Adi, had spent 100 hours preparing a report, Hutton, Kelly and the Missing Epidemiology. They concluded that "the identified evidence does not support the view that wrist-slash deaths are common (or indeed possible)". While Professor Chris Milroy, in a letter to the BMJ, responded, "unlikely does not make it impossible", Dr Rouse replied: "Before most of us will be prepared to accept wristslashing ... as a satisfactory and credible explanation for a death, we will also require evidence that such aetiologies are likely; not merely 'possible'. "

Our criticism of the Hutton report is that its verdict of "suicide" is an inappropriate finding. To bleed to death from a transected artery goes against classical medical teaching, which is that a transected artery retracts, narrows, clots and stops bleeding within minutes. Even if a person continues to bleed, the body compensates for the loss of blood through vasoconstriction (closing down of non-essential arteries). This allows a partially exsanguinated individual to live for many hours, even days.

<snip>

We believe the verdict given is in contradiction to medical teaching; is at variance with documented cases of wrist-slash suicides; and does not align itself with the evidence presented at the inquiry. We call for the reopening of the inquest by the coroner, where a jury may be called and evidence taken on oath.

Andrew Rouse
Public health consultant
Searle Sennett
Specialist in anaesthesiology
David Halpin
Specialist in trauma
Stephen Frost
Specialist in radiology
Dr Peter Fletcher
Specialist in pathology
Martin Birnstingl
Specialist in vascular surgery

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1146232,00.html

Below is an excerpt from a recent www.globalresearch.ca article entitled "Was it Suicide or was it Murder?"

Local police claim Dr. Kelly was an ‘avid walker’ and had a ‘good local knowledge’ of the many footpaths surrounding his home – not the kind of guy who would fall and hurt his knees unassisted. When the police arrived at the scene and before the body was identified as Kelly’s, Acting Superintendent Dave Purnell of the Thames Valley Police boldly stated, "We haven’t ruled anything out yet."32 Later, after Kelly was identified, Dave Purnell tempered his remarks by suggesting the case was being treated as an ‘unexplained death’.33 Finally, two weeks later, after the media was almost uniformly proclaiming suicide, the local coroner Nicholas Gardiner made it official. Kelly died from an ‘incised wound’ to the left wrist.34 Strangely enough, Mr. Gardiner, according to BBC News, "refused to reveal the results of toxicology tests until a full inquest."35 It wasn’t until a month latter, on September 3, 2003, that toxicologist Richard Allan told the Hutton Inquiry that Dr. Kelly had taken "quite a large overdose" of Coproxamol, the prescription-only drug which his wife took for her arthritis. According to Richard Allan, Kelly "took about 30 tablets…an hour…before (his) death." Allan claims he is ‘uncertain’ whether the drugs killed Kelly.36

According to medical research, Coproxamol has been used as a suicide drug but the "toxic effect may take several days before symptoms develop". Coproxamol’s "initial symptoms after taking more than the recommended dosage are often no more than mild nausea and vomiting. As liver damage develops over the following days, right abdominal pain may be experienced. If no treatment is taken to halt or reverse the liver failure" death can be the result.37 But Kelly died in hours, and Coproxamol, by itself, takes days to become lethal. Clearly Richard Allen is knowledgeable in this area and yet he remains ‘uncertain’ because other substances mixed with Coproxamol, even those as mild as alcohol, might have produced a fatal death. Richard Allen makes no mention of any other more dangerous toxic substances in Kelly’s body. Perhaps, once again, this is a matter for a final inquest.

The Home Office Decision On Kelly’s Death

It was left up to Dr. Nicholas Hunt, a Home Office Pathologist and loyal government servant, to deliver the verdict to the Hutton Inquiry. According to Dr. Nicholas Hunt, Kelly "had planned his suicide in intricate detail." (Apparently in such intricate detail that even Kelly was not aware of it when sending his morning e-mails and preparing to embark to Iraq.) The intricate details include the removal of watch and spectacles which according to Dr. Hunt "suggested a deliberate act of self-harm." (Kelly’s bloody knee and disheveled jeans were conveniently not mentioned. One also wonders how removing one’s glasses is a deliberate act of self harm.) Dr. Hunt says the main factor in Kelly’s death was "bleeding from an incised wound in his left wrist."38 Hunt also claims Kelly had coronary artery disease but this was not a major cause of death.

The Coroner’s Final Inquest Never Happened

Dr. Hunt’s comments were not the result of a final inquest. In a strange irony, the Hutton Inquiry actually prevented a final Corner’s Inquest. In fact, "the inquest was adjourned under Section 17A of the 1988 Coroner’s Act which allows a public inquiry conducted by a judge to fulfil the function of an inquest."39 So it appears that the Hutton Inquiry dedicated to finding the facts behind Kelly’s death actually becomes a mechanism for a cover-up. Mr. Gardiner, the Oxford Coroner, was not happy about the "pre-mature death" to his coroner’s inquest because five key witnesses refused to let their inquest statements be passed on to the Hutton Inquiry. In fact, fewer than 70 out of 300 witness statements taken by the police were given to Lord Hutton. Why were the majority of witness statements excluded, including those of Mai Pederson, the American military intelligence spy who was Kelly’s translator in Iraq and became his close friend? Mai actually refused to make a statement to police, even though she was in the top 12 of Kelly’s friends to be interviewed. As a result of this, Coroner Gardiner had envisaged re-starting the final inquest and hearing all the witnesses denied to Hutton.40 One would expect that if Gardiner values his life and career, he will be under governmental pressure not to proceed. Hence, a final inquest may never happen into the death of Dr. David Kelly.

Was it Suicide or Was it Murder?

[9215]

12. Interesting seeing the newbies going after

Jones credibility, etc. hmmmmmmmm

Methinks someone high up wants this Kelly matter to go away.

[bspence]

14. Ok, and 'Prison Planet.com' is where you get your news?

I don't like news sources like this. Who knows if these guys are the Limbaughs of the left?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. If we know that the "news" we get are nothing but corporate crap.

Then where should people turn to. I'm not endorsing nor am I discrediting this site. They do link Greg Palast's work and I doubt that anyone in this site will think the guy is full of shit. I won't believe anything I read automatically but I also know that some of these "crazy conspiracy" sites sometimes are closer to the truth than our crappy "mainstream media".

[nolabels]

16. Evidence and the patterns supporting the motive

Point blank, I would say they tried to use this guy to make an example of, if nothing else. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize there were many other people much braver than the ones they had doing it.

http://www.gulufuture.com/david_kelly.htm
(snip)
"Kelly wrote he would “wait until the end of the week” before judging reaction to his testimony.”
Sunday Times, 20 July 2003, by Nicholas Rufford
"DR Kelly: I felt betrayed..

In other words, Dr. Kelly was a classic case most unlikely to suddenly take his life on impulse. His was a personality founded on self-control. He was if anything, a candidate for a deadly alternative type of suicide: someone who could plan every detail of his demise in secret and execute it with maximum precision.

Such suicides regularly occur. Sadly, these people often pay off bills, prepare wills, arrange finances and write letters of farewell. Doing so with a controlled veneer which betrays nothing of their plans. Their self control becomes their ally in suicide, and their unwavering approach becomes their undoing.

In Dr. Kelly's case, such a slow, methodical suicide was a possibly. But an intemperate act was never an option.

Yet the suicide hypothesis would have us believe he suffered a huge change of heart just after indicating his state of mind in this e-mail written shortly before he left for his regular walk on Thursday 17th July, 2003:

"He also sent an e-mail to his close friend, scientist Alastair Hay, saying: “Many thanks for your support. Hopefully, it will soon pass and I can get back to Baghdad to get on with some real work.” This was a reference to his ambition to return to Iraq and complete his work as a weapons inspector."
Sunday Herald, 20 July 2003, by Neil Mackay
'Blair on brink as Kelly family point finger'
(snip)

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Why would the French want to make an example

of a British scientist?

[nolabels]

18. They knew that the Freedom Fries were a no-go and needed a better logo

So they took the pogo and went ho ho :D

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alchemy.html

THE NEW ALCHEMY:
TURNING MURDER INTO SUICIDE


Rowena Thursby


The title is provocative, and is meant to be. When the slant put on the reporting of a case almost guarantees a suicide "verdict", it is important to focus on the players who seed this interpretation. In the Kelly case, journalists in the mainstream media promoted a suicide bias from the beginning, but many of their cues were taken from professional figures at the Hutton Inquiry.

Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist who testified before Lord Hutton in September, is one of only 35 Home Office-accredited pathologists in the UK. We might imagine, being appointed by the British government, Dr Hunt would be of the highest calibre, displaying impeccable professional judgement. Television news and drama, with their frequent references to "DNA evidence", bolster a view of the forensic pathologist as "never wrong". However, this article highlights a number of recent cases where flawed assessments by Home Office pathologists have given rise to unsafe convictions, and explores how professional fallibility may have led to similarly erroneous interpretations from Dr Hunt regarding the death of Dr David Kelly. It also raises the more sinister possibility that Hunt's interpretations were weighted deliberately with the express purpose of convincing us this was suicide.


ERRORS & OMISSIONS

One case found to be unsafe as a result of a pathologist's mistake was that of Stuart Lubbock, who died in the swimming-pool of the UK entertainer, Michael Barrymore. A BBC report on the case reads as follows:

"A police investigation into the death of a man in Michael Barrymore's swimming pool may have been hampered by a Home Office pathologist's failure to spot crucial evidence...... Dr Heath was brought in when Stuart Lubbock was found dead at the entertainer's Essex home in April last year. He concluded the 31-year-old had drowned. But three other pathologists told the inquest into his death this month that marks on his face indicated he died of asphyxia, possibly from having an arm clamped round his throat during a violent sexual assault."

Two further cases showed Dr Heath's findings to be wrong. Steven Taylor, a traveller, spent 10 months on remand facing a murder-charge after Dr Heath said he had strangled his wife. But two other pathologists concluded that marks on Beatrice Taylor's neck were caused by procedures carried out by a mortuary technician. Kenneth Fraser was accused of killing his girlfriend after Dr Heath maintained that she had been hit on the head with a plank of wood. Fraser was released after four other pathologists found she had fallen downstairs. Serious errors like these are not infrequent.

In previous cases Dr Heath was also criticised for omissions A further case where a crucial omission was made was that of Sally Clark, wrongfully accused of murdering her two children and sent to prison for life. Her conviction was overturned on appeal after it was discovered that Alan Williams, another Home Office pathologist, had deliberately withheld cerebral spinal fluid test results from the original trial. These indicated one of Clark's children had had bacterial meningitis. Dr Williams, the holder of a distinction award which boosts his salary by an extra £27,000, is currently under investigation by the General Medical Council.
(snip)

[JohnyCanuck]

22. I smell a rat here as well.

Could be that they are just trying to deflect attention away from their own spooks for the murder. They might be figuring that as holes in the official story start being noticed and discussed and also lead to speculation that Kelly might really have been murdered, they might as well muddy the water as much as possible by dragging Arab assasination teams and Saddam sympathizing French intelligence agents into the picture.

Apparently at ease to discuss these explosive disclosures, Shrimpton explained that there was advance knowledge of Kelly's death in Whitehall, but that the deed itself was most likely carried out by the French external security organisation, DGSE. There was no indication that anybody in MI5 or MI6 had been involved. He went further by suggesting that the hit squad itself was composed of Iraqis from the former regime's Mukhabarat intelligence organisation, recruited from Damascus with the help of Syria's own intelligence apparatus. They were apparently then flown into Corsica, seven days prior to the murder. He doubts that any of the hit-squad are still alive.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html

I find it hard to believe that MI5/MI6 are so incompetent that they would let an Iraqi/Syrian hit team operating for the French get access to and assasinate one of the top UK WMD/bio-weapons experts right in their own back yard (unless of course they wanted them to). Smells of a dis-info op to me.

[PurityOfEssence]

19. Well...yeah

So was Cliff Baxter, so was Paul Wellstone, so was that guy from Funeralgate.

But this isn't conspiracy theory raving, these, as Gore Vidal points out, are "coincidences".

[gandalf]

21. Vidal did say that?

Have a link?

[nolabels]

23. Was Journalism Murdered?

The Enemy Within
by Gore Vidal
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html

Ran into this, looking for the Vidal

http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/av12-26-02.html
Was Journalism Murdered?

Revisiting the Wellstone Story

By Michael I. Niman ArtVoice 12/26/02
(snip)
Not a Brave Person

Wellstone died on a Friday. I wrote my story on Saturday. I sent it to AlterNet on Sunday. They ran it on Monday. I knew something was wrong on Monday afternoon when I started getting email messages, most notably from journalists and journalism professors thanking me for writing my Wellstone piece. The most disturbing messages thanked me for my “courage.”

This was upsetting, since I’m not really a brave person. And I certainly didn’t intend to do anything “courageous.” So, if indeed I did do something courageous, it must have been more the result of stupidity than valor.

Put simply, when I wrote my Wellstone piece, I foolishly assumed hundreds of other columnists were hunkering down over their keyboards and writing similar columns. We now know they weren’t. Judging by the messages I’ve received, it’s not because they didn’t have the same feelings. They just knew better than to write their concerns down. I, by contrast, was still naively clinging to quaint antiquated notions of a free press. So I lunged out of the starting gate, only to find myself running solo on a muddy track under a threatening sky.

Loony Me

On Tuesday the attacks came. Syndicated conservative columnist Andrew Sullivan led the charge, terming my call for an independent investigation “looney tunes” . A call for an investigation, however, really isn’t such a radical departure from conventional wisdom. To properly vilify me, Sullivan needed to credit me with a more outrageous statement, hence he cooked up this line: “Niman seems to believe that Wellstone might have been murdered by the U.S. government.” For the record, I never made such an allegation, and even in the unlikely event that Wellstone turns out to have been murdered, I certainly don’t see this in any way as a government sanctioned killing. Hence, Sullivan’s characterization of my story grossly misrepresented what I actually wrote.
(snip)

[dArKeR]

20. Can you say, Kennedy, Kennedy, King, Carnahan, Wellstone, Baxter?

Attempted: Daschle, Leahy, Kennedy

[Rex]

25. Pony up some of these sources

I too believe he was murdered and would love to see some kind of tangible evidence to support this claim.

[Minstrel Boy]

28. Here's some:

From The Guardian, a couple of weeks ago: "Medical evidence does not support suicide by Kelly" (say medical specialists)

Our criticism of the Hutton report is that its verdict of "suicide" is an inappropriate finding. To bleed to death from a transected artery goes against classical medical teaching, which is that a transected artery retracts, narrows, clots and stops bleeding within minutes. Even if a person continues to bleed, the body compensates for the loss of blood through vasoconstriction (closing down of non-essential arteries). This allows a partially exsanguinated individual to live for many hours, even days.

Professor Milroy expands on the finding of Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist at the Hutton inquiry - that haemorrhage was the main cause of death (possibly finding it inadequate) - and falls back on the toxicology: "The toxicology showed a significant overdose of co-proxamol. The standard text, Baselt, records deaths with concentrations at 1 mg/l, the concentration found in Kelly." But Dr Allan, the toxicogist in the case, considered this nowhere near toxic. Each of the two components was a third of what is normally considered a fatal level. Professor Milroy then talks of "ischaemic heart disease". But Dr Hunt is explicit that Dr Kelly did not suffer a heart attack. Thus, one must assume that no changes attributable to myocardial ischaemia were actually found at autopsy.

We believe the verdict given is in contradiction to medical teaching; is at variance with documented cases of wrist-slash suicides; and does not align itself with the evidence presented at the inquiry. We call for the reopening of the inquest by the coroner, where a jury may be called and evidence taken on oath.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1146025,00.html

A lot of material on the "Dead Scientists" blog, including "THE DAVID KELLY STORY - THE NEW ALCHEMY: TURNING MURDER INTO SUICIDE" by Rowena Thursby, which destroys the testimony of the government's pathologist in the Kelly case, Nicholas Hunt.
http://www.deadscientists.blogspot.com/

Xymphora's archives might be worth digging into. He's posted much worthwhile info on the "dark actors playing games" in the Kelly story:
http://www.xymphora.blogspot.com/xymphora_archive.html


Interesting series of articles by Jim Rarey:
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101403_kelly_1.html
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/111203_kelly_2.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120903_victoria.html

Kelly was murdered, but this guy on Alex Jones, saying MI5 and MI6 are upset that the Iraqis and French whacked him, is not to be believed. Sounds like disinfotainment to me.

[Rex]

30. Thanks Minstrel Boy

nt

[Miramar]

33. I agree

It's disinformation. That's how they get people to believe the disinfomation. By stating something people would naturally believe is true -- then insert erroneous statements so that people believe the whole. Disinformation is an art -- they probably have dedicated people to manufacture just the right disinformation.

[tom_paine]

32. Of course, he was (see my sigline)

But I can see why MI5 and MI6 are furous.

They didn't kill him.

And exactly WHO would have access to former Iraqi torturers, I wonder?

Hmmmmm......