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rodbarnett Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:02 PM
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A Look at Places That Grant Rights to Same-Sex Couples
No U.S. state yet recognizes same-sex marriages. However, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled last year that the state constitution did not bar such marriages and ordered the state to begin recognizing them as of May 17.
Among other states, Vermont has gone furthest by instituting civil unions, which, at the state level, extend marriage-like rights and responsibilities to same-sex couples.

California, Hawaii and New Jersey also grant various state-level spousal rights to same-sex couples registered as domestic partners.

In San Francisco, more than 3,200 same-sex couples have been married since Mayor Gavin Newsom decided to give out the licenses Feb. 12. However, state officials are moving to overturn those marriages

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA65RTB2RD.html
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:13 PM
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1. What about other countries? I believe British Columbia recognizes gay
marriages. It would of instructional value to know where other countries are on this issue.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:30 PM
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11. British Columbia and Ontario, Canada
In Ontario, in fact, the judge who wrote the decision striking down the law that limited the issuance of marriage licences to opposite-sex couples was formerly the Attorney General in a Conservative government of the province. ;)

Back in 1982, when he was AG, he was a major player in the creation and adoption of the new Canadian Constitution and specifically the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in it. (And in a recent newspaper article, both he and his NDP -- social democrat -- counterpart from Saskatchewan, who had been wary of "judicial activism", supported the "liberal" way that the Supreme Court has interpreted and applied the Charter to date.)

http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/legal/on.html

In British Columbia, where the limitation on marriage licence issuance was also struck down last year, the province has actually directed its marriage commissioners (the equivalent of "JPs", the agents of the government who perform non-religious marriages) that if they will not perform same-sex marriages, they are required to resign their commissions.

http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/legal/bc.html

(In Canada, "marriage", i.e. limits on who may marry, is under federal jurisdiction, while "the solemnization of marriage", i.e. the formalities like licences, is under provincial jurisdiction.)

In Quebec, the issue has just come before the Court of Appeal, to which it was appealed by religious groups who were given standing in the case, and no decision will be available for a while yet; the same-sex couples won in the lower courts. Quebec does have "civil unions".

On June 7, 2002, L'assemble Nationale du Quebec passed their civil union bill (Bill 84) unanimously. The bill, the most far reaching piece of registered domestic partnership legislation in Canada, provides same-sex couples with the same rights and obligations as opposite sex married couples, including parental rights in relation to children being raised in the relationship.
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/legal/qc.html


Of course, the actual issue of the definition of marriage remains a dog's breakfast.

The question of federal legislation defining marriage is all bound up in right-wing demands for "democratization" of Parliament, i.e. to enable idiot back-benchers to have more power by being able to break party ranks with impunity, generally on issues like same-sex marriage, abortion, the kind of blah blah that impresses their right-wing constituents. (I say they were elected as Liberals, on a Liberal Party policy platform, and they can bloody well vote the way they were elected to vote.)

And the questions put to the Supreme Court by the federal government concerning the constitutionality of such legislation if it contains restrictive definitions of marriage (similar to the question put to the Massachusetts court by the state senate) won't be decided for months and months.

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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:14 PM
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2. A lot of companies offer SSP benefits too -
Including 29% of the Fortune 500, and 47 of Fortune Magazine's "Top 100 companies to work for". http://www.nlgja.org/pubs/DP/DPovrvw.html (source)

/sarcasm on/ Should we have a constitutional amendment preventing that too? Gosh ... these liberal policies are corruptin' our youth!

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:20 PM
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3. That's what the Constitutional ammendment intends to do
at least as it's currently written.

They want benefits to go to married couples only!
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:21 PM
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6. Actually, that is not true
When I was listening to Bush's speach at lunch, he clearly stated that he wanted same sex partnerships to have the same rights, but, basically, just not call it a marriage.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:23 PM
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7. That's what * said
(of course he said it was a states issue in 2000), but the amendment he supports would remove rights from civil unions also. And as I read it, that may impact heterosexual civil unions and possible common law marriages also.
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:36 PM
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8. Remember,
dumbya is a liar. He can't tell the truth unless it concentrates power.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:12 PM
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10. If Bush came in soaking wet and said it was raining...
I'd go outside and look for myself. Lieing bastard probably was playing "water games" with Condom-Sleezy.

Never trust ANYTHING out of that blackheart's mouth!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:34 PM
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4. How many states permit adoptions by gay/lesbians?
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:43 PM
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5. Other Countries
Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Hungary, Denmark, France and Canada are among the countries recognizing same-sex couples to some degree. Buenos Aires also...

It's a mixed bag of rights. Some civil unions, some allow adoption, some don't,

None of these societies appear on the verge of collapse from their "assault on marriage".
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:45 PM
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9. Israel and Brazil too, and I know there are several others
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 04:45 PM by downstairsparts
South Africa. Surprising places. Just don't have my list here with me and haven't kept track lately. But the numbers are impressive. Add to that the late benediction for gay marriage by the King of Cambodia and there you are. The world is turning and it cannot be turned back, not now.
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