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rodbarnett Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:04 PM
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How the Public Feels About Gays, Gay Marriage and Efforts to Ban It
Some recent polls have examined how the public feels about homosexuality, gay marriage, civil unions and efforts to ban gay marriage. Among their findings:
-Americans are closely divided on whether homosexual relations between adults should or should not be legal.

-A majority of Americans, sometimes by as much as a 2-1 margin, say they oppose legalizing gay marriage.

-Americans are divided on whether homosexual couples should be allowed to form legally recognized civil unions, with slightly more people opposing it.

-People are less enthusiastic about a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. When given the option of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage or letting states make their own laws, almost six in 10 favor letting states deal with the issue, while almost four in 10 favor a constitutional amendment.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA2KSP82RD.html
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:11 PM
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1. Anybody Have Any Age Group Based Stats?
I Am Very Curious As To How Those Numbers Would Skew By Age Group. Any Polls About This Done Say The 18-34 Range? My Money Is The Younger You Go The Less Opposition You'll Hear.
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WitchWay Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:17 PM
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2. Don't let polls bait us into hypocrisy on civil rights

Yeah, our candidate should base their platform based on the polling of folks about marriage. In disregard to the consequences?

I think the dem candidate should fully support Gay marriage. If people are too ignorant to support equal rights for all its citizens, then the dem candidate and everyone who supports Gay marriage and equal rights should educate everyone.

It's not a smart idea to waffle on civil rights.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:07 PM
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32. Just say, "Seperation of Church and State"!!
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:18 PM
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3. Pollsters asking the wrong questions
They should ask 'Do you oppose equal treatment under the law?'

Or 'If your child was in a homosexual relationship would you want them to enjoy the same rights and protections that you enjoy?'

bet the poll numbers would be very different.....
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:18 PM
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4. Slave owners polled showed
that 100% were against freeing the slaves. Homophobes are the modern version.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:22 PM
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6. Certain White Groups feel other groups more closely related to
lower anthropods by a wide margin </Sarcasm>

There would still be "slave auctions" if certain groups held power.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:26 PM
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7. A 1958 Gallup poll shows that 96% of whites
were opposed to interracial marriage.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:32 PM
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9. Is that true?
or were you making a joke?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:38 PM
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11. NO JOKE see Loving v. Virginia
Link

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kdown/loving.html

and this beauty

Alabama considers lifting interracial marriage ban

http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/12/interracial.marriage/
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:06 PM
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20. Did Alabama's interracial law get repealed?
That it was on the books as late as 1999 is astounding. But the last paragraph of the article you linked provides an ominous clue perhaps as to why:

A more hotly contested issue in the state may ultimately be same-sex marriage. Some members of the House panel reportedly balked at approving the interracial marriage bill until they were assured it would not open the door for homosexual marriages in the state.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:38 PM
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12. And that's the message..
we need to get out.

Republicans who support this are bigots.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:40 PM
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14. A brief history of interracial marriage
Americans' attitudes toward black-white relationships have started to thaw over the years. But it's been a long, slow road. As recently as 1991, the National Opinion Research Center found that 66 percent of white Americans polled opposed a close relative marrying a black man.

http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/07/25/p15s1.htm
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:06 PM
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19. And yet Eisenhower never felt the need to propose a
Constitutional Amendment to protect the "sanctity of marriage" against the horror of mixed race marraige. Nor did Kennedy or Johnson, even as it looked liked "activist judges" might seek to redefine marriage as allowing the joining of different colored people. *gasp*
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:50 PM
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30. Well said. n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:21 PM
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5. 60 percent AGAINST a constitutional amendment.
Pay attention, folks.

Idiocy ain't getting out of committee.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:27 PM
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8. 60 percent against constitutional ban
Can be seen in light of a poll from a week or so ago, where it was 49 percent who opposed ban on same sex marriage.

All people need is a push in the right direction.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:49 PM
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24. hopefully this will backfire on the Pukes
they just might have grabbed enough rope to hang themselves with if they really want to try to slam a consitutional amendment through (which they're probably going to have to do in the next few months if they want to get it done before elections)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:40 PM
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13. Exactly!
Most people will NOT support tinkering w/ the constitution to deny only CERTAIN people their right to pursue happiness.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:34 PM
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10. Human rights is not a matter of majority rules
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:41 PM
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15. Yup
It's that simple. But the majority is actually on our side. 60% would not support an ammendment, regardles of how they personally feel about it, they are not THAT sure about it...That's a good thing.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:43 PM
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16. Jon Stewart had a great point last night
If republicans are so damn concerned about preserving the sanctity of marriage, why don't they amend the constitution to disallow adultery? Isn't adultery a pretty damn big threat to marriage? Sanctimonious hypocritical a-holes.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:26 PM
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22. An even bigger threat are...
Hollywood marriages. Dennis Rodman and Carmen Electra... Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee...Michael Jackson and Lisa Presley. This is "sanctity of marriage". Let's make it a clean sweep and ban them too.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:17 PM
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21. According to Prof. Pat Boone....
... the Constitution and our rights are all a matter of "majority rules".

In his discourse on religious freedoms and those want a separation between church & state, he wrote "While the Constitution guarantees their right to hold and express whatever views they wish, the Constitution also guarantees majority rule. We have rights, too, even if a minority of Americans objects."
See http://www.polkonline.com/stories/010404/opi_majority.shtml.

What's sad is that many Americans probably agree with him.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:50 PM
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25. Pat Boone's constitutional knowledge is as good as his theology
If Pat had paid attention in civics class he would know that the Constitution was designed to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority. That is why it takes a super majority at several levels to change it. First a super majority is needed in the Congress and than a super majority of states must ratify. Go back to singing, Pat, or whatever it is you do now.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:52 PM
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17. According to the republicans
they rather gays Make War and Not Love.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:00 PM
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18. No, we are still banned from military service too! n/t
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:47 PM
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23. If Americans are so concerned about majority rule,
why is bush sitting in Al Gore's WH?

Effing idiots.
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:13 PM
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26. When Truman intergrated the armed forces in 1947...

...his approval dropped to about 37%.

But you know, sometimes you have to do what's right, and damn the consequences. It's called leadership.
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Weathergirl Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:19 PM
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27. I've tried
but I cannot understand the opposition to gay marriage. Unless it's based on some deeply held religious dogma, in which case the dogma does NOT belong in the Constitution - any move by the U.S. government to officially recognize one religion's tenets over all others is un-Constitutional. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:31 PM
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29. Its in a word....
To many people the word 'Marriage' denotes a church Sacrement, thus the usage of the phrase "sacred institution". However what the issue is about is the rights and privlages granted to couples when they enter into a legal union that is recognized. We call this union marriage weather it is performed as a Mass or in a vegas hotel room and these couples are now legally one for purposes of inhertiance, survivors rights, medical decisions, and of course tax purposes. When you take the word marrage away and replace it with civil union you are in reality talking about the same exact thing, so it now makes no sense that politicians can be in favor of unions but aginst marrage, because they are the same exact thing!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:20 PM
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28. I'm really, really tired of being an issue for public consumption....
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 04:22 PM by pinto
ed for clarity
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:58 PM
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31. Its a distractor folks
Not that I don't think this is an important issue ( I personally don't understand why some folks fell that they must tell others how to live and try to restrict their rights). I really think what we should be saying to this issue is that the repugs are trying to change the subject from Iraq, unemployment, the deficit, the environment etc.... Don't let them define the debate. bush is just trying more divisive politics.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:08 PM
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33. You wanna know how I feel about this?
I don't care. There are far more important things to be considered right now, such as the lies Bush told in order to invade Iraq.

I am not concerned at all about this issue because it is not a priority.

I am all for the legal rights of all human beings.

But the foremost thing on my mind is this atrocious lying to invade Iraq and kill and murder it's people in the tens of thousands with our bombs.

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damnyankee2601 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:12 PM
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34. Much ado about nothing.
The number of people who would change their vote based on this issue alone is tiddlywinks.
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adamblast Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:34 PM
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35. I wish I had your confidence.
I'm ready to fight this tooth and nail, but I see it as having a nearly 50/50 chance of passing.

The democratic politicians have already shown themselves completely UNWILLING to stand up for gay Americans whenever it might cost them a few votes.

The DoMA passed overwhelmingly easily. So did all the statewide versions--and they passed in enough states to confirm an ammendment...

I think this all boils down to Congress. If it gets past the Senate and House, I think it will get past the needed number of states.

I actually expect to be an official 2nd class citizen in my own country soon.
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