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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:33 AM
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Foe of Hugo Chávez arrested in Venezuela
Source: Miami Herald


CARACAS -- Former Venezuelan Defense Minister Raúl Isaías Baduel, a prominent political adversary of President Hugo Chávez, was arrested at gunpoint Thursday, reportedly by agents of military intelligence.

The country's military prosecutor, Ernesto Cedeño, confirmed in statements to reporters that the general's arrest was connected to charges of embezzlement during his 2006-2007 tenure as defense minister.

<snip>

Interviewed on Unión Radio, Baduel's attorney, Omar Mora Tosta, said the arrest made no sense, since the general had complied with the requirement, imposed last September, that he sign in with the authorities every two weeks.

''This is a response to his anti-government stance,'' Mora told Unión Radio, describing the move as part of ``a campaign of government terrorism.''

Baduel's relationship with Chávez dates back to the early 1980s, when he was one of four junior officers who founded the movement that led to Chávez's abortive coup attempt of 1992 against the elected government of Carlos Andrés Pérez.

<snip>



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/981902.html
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:40 AM
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1. No term limits now, so the only threat to Chavez remaining in power is his rivals
Those will be effectively removed one way or another over time.

This pattern has been repeated so many times in history that the road should be paved.
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Neo Atheist Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:48 AM
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2. "It doesn't make sense since he complied"
Is his lawyer entirely ignorant of how Castro and his intellectual-political partners like Chavez act?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:48 AM
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9. why venezuelans do not have a private corporation financed democracy?
like us
:sarcasm:
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:59 PM
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36. Yup.
When Chavez talks about us, it's because he's jealous! He HATES FREEDOM!!!!1111

;)
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elise11 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:25 AM
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3. If he didn't steal that money, he has nothing to worry about
He is accused of stealing large amounts of money from the armed forces.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:03 AM
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10. The Miami Herald article's written by a long-time anti-Chavez propagandist.
People recognize his name and smell a mile away.

What is Phil Gunson smoking?
http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/2006/11/what_is_phil_gunson_smoking.html

~~~~~~~~~

Responses to Journalist magazine article
~snip~
Nigel Fountain's journalist friend, who has been labelled a "State Department agent" by the Venezuelan government, is Phil Gunson, who writes for The Economist, a publication which has openly advocated "regime change" in Venezuela - the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government. Gunson still operates freely, has suffered no consequences for his relentless anti-Chavez propaganda drive and finds his work more widely distributed now than every before.

http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/nuj_hov_response.htm

~~~~~~~~~

Bandits, psychopaths, liars and baby-killers… by Oscar Heck

~snip~
Who is Phil Gunson?

First, this is Izarra’s public response to Phil Gunson: “Mr. Gringo we are going to defeat you again … we work with the truth, we have moral and above all, a leader that unites and inspires us … We say to the US Empire: you shall not pass. Viva Chavez!”

So .. who is this person?

I do not know – but if Izarra is upset with him, there must be a reason – and a good one.

According to Venezuelatoday.net (a rabidly anti-Chavez site):

“Phil Gunson is a British journalist and president of the Foreign Press Association in Venezuela. He has covered Latin America for 26 years and has been based in Caracas for the last six. Formerly Latin America correspondent for The Guardian and The Observer, he’s currently writing primarily for The Miami Herald, Newsweek, The St. Petersburg Times, The Independent and VOA News.”

VOA is “Voice of America” a “worldwide” news source and media outlet. Last year I met with a Moroccan telecommunications engineer who confirmed to me that VOA is run by the CIA … he worked for them.

Phil Gunson also writes for the Miami Herald, one of the main promoters of anti-Chavez commentaries, propaganda, lies and distortions, along with the Washington Post and The Devil’s Excrement, Militares Democraticos (sic!), Gente del Petroleo and/or equivalent hate sites.

More:
http://www.williambowles.info/venezuela/2005/bandits.html

~~~~~~~~~

A Brit Reporter’s Undisclosed Venezuela Conflicts

Phil Gunson refers to himself as a “freelance correspondent” in Venezuela. He has written during the past month for the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times, MSNBC (online only) and the Independent of London. He has also been interviewed recently on NPR and on WAMU radio in Washington DC about the events in Venezuela (parts of those interviews are quoted below).

The two men have a relationship related to Gunson’s “journalism” that – after they were given the opportunity to come clean by Narco News – neither Gunson nor Ekvall were willing to disclose.

Additionally, Gunson has an undisclosed conflict of interest, or at least the appearance of a conflict of interest (all journalistic codes of ethics prohibit such nondisclosure), with the key source that he quoted last April 11th to blame the still unsolved sniper assassinations of that day on supporters of the government of President Hugo Chávez in Venezuela: His source for that uncorroborated statement – part of the justification for the coup d’etat – was Eurídice Ledezma, who Gunson has told sources (but did not disclose in his article) was his former girlfriend; a rapidly pro-coup reporter in Venezuela, also – coincidentally? – a vocal defender of Dictator-for-a-day Pedro Carmona.

Asked about this apparent conflict, Gunson sent a “response” to Narco News (published in full and uncensored below) in which he issued no denial or clarification of that serious allegation. He simply did not address it at all.

There are other serious problems with Gunson’s reports out of Venezuela last April and again this month. Many of his statements appear to us to have been made in a knowingly false manner.

More:
http://www.narconews.com/Issue27/article572.html

~~~~~~~~~

Media Response to Venezuelan Elections
by Stephen Lendman
Friday, 28 November 2008

~snip~
A Sane Voice in the Wilderness

On November 22, the London Independent published "Letters: In praise of Hugo Chavez." One confronted Latin American writer Phil Gunson's "bleak picture" of Venezuela in his article titled: "Tough-talking Chavez faces rising dissent." It was grossly inaccurate, mentioned the usual kinds of criticisms, and pretty much read like the US and Venezuelan corporate media agitprop.

The writer asked: If Gunson is right, "why are President Chavez's approval ratings at 58%, as he reports." He doesn't mention "how (his) government has delivered free healthcare to millions of people for the first time, eradicated illiteracy and used the country's best economic performance for decades to halve the poverty levels."

Suggesting that poll results may trigger a "violent reaction....turn(s) reality on its head. It was the Chavez government itself that was briefly the victim of an opposition-led military coup in 2002. In contrast, (his) government has showed a consistent commitment to democracy....Moreover, last week the respected Latinbarametro survey showed that Venezuela is now the country with the greatest support for democracy in Latin America and the region's second-most satisfied with the functioning of its democracy. Venezuela's combination of democracy and social progress under Chavez has inspired widespread support."

It's signed by Colin Burgon, MP, Chair, Labour Friends of Venezuela group of MPs, House of Commons. He adds more as well, and the Independent published it. It's unlike major US broadsheets that cover Chavez one way - with venomous inaccuracy and very rare exceptions that hardly draw notice.

More:
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/112808Lendman.shtml

ETC.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:09 AM
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11. It's being reported by more than one source with different
bylines. You finding blogs to trash one reporter doesn't make it a false story.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:15 AM
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14. Where is another source discussing the "vice President of Caracas" Gunson mentions? n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:46 AM
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22. Was this man arrested or not? What does
"discussing the vice presidents of Caracas" have to do with anything?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:51 AM
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23. Did you not read the Gunson article?
He said:
In the capital city of Caracas, Metropolitan Mayor Antonio Ledezma -- who has been ousted from city hall by pro-Chávez squatters -- is likely to see his powers and resources drained away by a newly created ''vice president for Caracas'' appointed by Chávez.
Where ELSE have you ever found information on this charge Gunson makes?

How can that be hard to grasp?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:14 AM
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28. What I'm not grasping what relevance a newspaper writer's
byline has to do with the very real truth that Baduel was arrested by the Venezuelan military police. Do you believe that discrediting a newspaper writer from one paper proves it didn't really happen?
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elise11 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:34 AM
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31. well, the alleged crime is theft against the military
Are you suggesting that he was supposed to be arrested by some other body?

That's a good question, although I have no clue as to the answer.
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elise11 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:34 AM
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32. well, the alleged crime is theft against the military
Are you suggesting that he was supposed to be arrested by some other body?

That's a good question, although I have no clue about the answer.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:42 AM
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21. What news do you find on another name of a "persecuted" person Gunson includes,
in his professional news writing for the Miami Herald?

DU'ers who've watched Venezuela news since before the day a DU'er in Venezuela, "Pescao" wrote non-stop for us, reporting throughout the coup, are well aware of someone named Henrique Capriles Radonsky, who went with a shrieking mob of right-wing clowns to surround the Cuban Embassy during the coup, as their contribution to absolute filthy bedlam, trying to get in a few dishonest, vicious kicks while they could, and holding the staff hostage, cut the lights, water, refused to allow them food, and then started getting nasty.

The Venezuelan state prosecutor who attempted to investigate these scums was KILLED, by a CAR BOMB before he could complete his case against these pieces of filth. Had he not been killed, no doubt Radonsky would have been in the slammer long ago.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~snip~
The opposition governor of Miranda state, Henrique Capriles Radonsky, also faces prosecution after a government legislator, Darío Vivas, called for him to be investigated on corruption charges.


VENEZUELA: COUP PROSECUTOR MURDERED

Venezuelan state prosecutor Danilo Anderson was killed late on Nov. 18
when one or two powerful bombs exploded in his Toyota jeep on Las Ciencias
avenue in eastern Caracas. Anderson was the lead prosecutor in an
investigation of some 400 people for their part in an April 2002 coup that
briefly ousted left-populist president Hugo Chavez Frias. Anderson had
told the Reuters wire service less than two weeks earlier that he hoped to
complete the formal indictment of all the accused in the near future. "Our
country is wounded," Chavez said on Nov. 19 after attending a wake for
Anderson. "They couldn't buy him, they couldn't blackmail him, they
murdered him, but they didn't murder him, because he has become a martyr
of this people."

The media had called Anderson, who was involved in several investigations
related to the 2002 coup, a "super-prosecutor." He handled a case charging
that eight members of Caracas' Metropolitan Police shot and killed
demonstrators on Apr. 11, 2002, on the Puente Llaguno near the
presidential palace; the incident was initially blamed on Chavez
supporters and was used as a pretext for the coup. Anderson was also
pursuing the indictment of Henrique Capriles Radonsky, mayor of the
wealthy Caracas municipality of Baruta, for allowing attacks on the Cuban
embassy on Apr. 12, 2002, during the coup.

More:
http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:DkVbeJLKWJcJ:www.tulane.edu/~libweb/RESTRICTED/WEEKLY/2004_1121.txt+Henrique+Capriles+Radonsky+attack+Cuban+embassy&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:43 AM
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34. here is another source in this link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x13501

note Chavez butt kissers are frequent posters on the latin america forum but didn't seem to bother responding to this one.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:42 PM
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38. Of course.
Only the guilty are ever convicted and imprisoned.

Moreover, a sound legal defense is free. The publicity and brou-ha-ha surrounding an arrest and trial have absolutely no consequences in terms of finances, social standing, employability, etc., etc.

I mean, that's the case in the US, why wouldn't it be even more true in Venezuela?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:40 AM
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4. Well its only 30-45 days....
That seems reasonable to hold someone without formal charges. :eyes:

"On Thursday, military prosecutor Cedeño said there was ''sufficient proof'' to justify charging Baduel with stealing ``a large amount of money from the armed forces.''

He added that formal charges would be laid out within 30 to 45 days.?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:41 AM
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5. deleted, wrong spot
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 09:47 AM by WriteDown
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elise11 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:45 AM
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6. Yup. we hold people woithout charges for years
just thought some perspective was in order.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:47 AM
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7. And that makes it right?
Not an argument I stand behind.
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elise11 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:30 AM
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18. depends. on whether 30-45 days is commonly acceptable
A member says that's a reasonable time frame. I don't know if that's true or not, but what do you think?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:12 AM
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12. Only since the bogus
war on terror and only since chimp was Pres. I would think that wouldn't happen under this President. Comparing the two is nonsense. Chavez arresting a political foe does not surprise me.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:26 AM
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15. 30-45 days doesn't seem excessive under these circumstances.
No doubt he's a flight risk, or he would be out on bail. Maybe he should have thought about the consequences before he embezzled.

The OP's article is loaded down with unsubstantiated innuendo; red meat for the anti-Chavez reactionaries.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:30 AM
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16. He disappeared for quite a while, people believed he had fled to Miami.
They also believed he had gone to another Latin American country, I think perhaps Panama.

He definitely took off and was in the wind. His associates said he didn't have to be behind his desk to be doing his mayor's bidness. People do tend to expect their mayors to stay in town, and in the country, however, most of the time, wouldn't you think?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:30 AM
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17. 30-45 days for charges?
Seriously?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:40 AM
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20. Seriously.
You made the initial claim. Maybe you should explain why you believe a month and a half is excessive. People have been known to languish in jail for years without charges in many countries throughout the world, including the U.S.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:30 AM
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30. So that makes it right?
Because people have been known to?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:57 PM
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35. You're chasing your tail. n/t
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:48 AM
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8. You've got to love creativity though.
"In the capital city of Caracas, Metropolitan Mayor Antonio Ledezma -- who has been ousted from city hall by pro-Chávez squatters -- is likely to see his powers and resources drained away by a newly created ''vice president for Caracas'' appointed by Chávez"
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. Yet the Chavez
defenders will be along shortly.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:37 AM
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19. The anti-Chavez forces beat them to it

Doesn't sound unreasonable to require him to check in with the government every two weeks when he's being investigated for stealing huge sums of money from the military.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:53 AM
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24. and it doesn't sound unreasonable to have some healthy suspicion of the charge
considering it happened quickly when he stopped supporting Chavez.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:55 AM
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25. He stopped supporting Chavez well over a year ago. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:04 AM
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26. sorry, that's a short time ago.
your absolutism concerning Chavez is a very unhealthy miindset.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:11 AM
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27. Oh, the irony

You've made negative posts about Chavez in every Chavez and Venezuela thread in the last month. I checked.

I hate to throw someone's words back at them, but this is too good to pass by.

Your absolutism concerning Chavez is a very unhealthy mindset.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:18 AM
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29. uh, no I haven 't.
I actually have said multiple times that I think that Chavez has done some excellent things for the people of Venezuala. I have both criticized him and said good things about it.

You really need to grab a clue. Oh, and do try a little honesty, dear.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #19
33. No, it doesn't, however,
how convenient that a political foe all of a sudden has these problems. Been around politics long enough to know when something doesn't smell right.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:00 PM
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37. Wow, arresting criminals! Imagine!
Picture our government having Bush or Cheney arrested.

Can't do it, can you?

God, I LONG for real democracy!
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