Bush can win in California, governor says

[question everything]

(snip)

He also said Bush's election success in California will hinge on what the president does for Californians.

"If the federal government does great things for California this year, I think there's no two ways about it, that President Bush can have California" in November's general election, Schwarzenegger said.

He added: "Californian people are like a mirror, you know that what you do for them they will do back for you."

(snip)


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/mon/news/news_1n23arnold.html

[Demeter]

1. When Gas Pumps Hit $3/Gallon

You can kiss California and the White HOuse good-bye. Start packing, Laura!

[rockymountaindem]

2. Please tell me this robot...

er... I mean governor... is joking. I can't believe Bush* would win CA.

[djg21]

22. Just wait.

Shrub will bail out California! Remember that he did nothing while Gray Davis was Governor, except let Enron manipulate the CA energy market! He'll do it a month before the general election!

[Eloriel]

35. I've been predicting this for months

Actually, I had a perfectly good clue, in fact a bald-faced admission of part of their plan.

On Monday before Arnold announced on Friday night that he was running for Gov. in the recall election, a column appeared in the dreaded WashingtonTimes saying that the Bush/Cheney campaign thought New York and California were "ripe for the picking." I knew right then and there that there was trouble brewing, and Schwarzenegger's announcement confirmed it. This was the backstory.

I said all they'd need to do now with a Repug Gov was:

* Get some nice federal largesse for CA -- Arnold is bragging about his ability to do just that, and he doesn't even have any idea WHAT yet, just that he, Mr. Popular, can get nice things for CA

* Send Bush out for lotsa nice photo ops

* Pump up the poll numbers for Bush (ask the right poll questions of the right people)

* Steal the damned election on their touchscreen and optical scan voting machines

I begged people to get involved and NOT let Arnold win CA -- get involved with the recall, get involved with the damned machines. Some people ridiculed me.

You can sit and watch it play out, people (esp. you Californians), or get busy and do something about it.

And you New Yorkers better listen up too.

[djg21]

41. I'm in New York (Upstate)

While I see the occasional Bush/Cheney bumper sticker, most people I've come in contact with are virulently anti-Bush this year. While I'd expect this in NYC, Upstate NY tends to be very Republican. Even in my district (Sweeney is my "Rep.") its seems that there is a strong sentiment that is anti-Bush. I don't think NY will be a problem for the Dems.

[Demonaut]

26. More like Seven years bad luck if you no help california

[LearnedHand]

29. I think that was a subliminable message...

...that the Gropinator has fixed the vote -- with Diebold machines!

[Mountainman]

3. Sure if you rig the election

Some Repubs here want a new prop 187 type item on the ballet.

When Dems see that they vote no then they vote against any Repub on the ballot and a new prop 187 will make all Dems want to vote.

[aquart]

24. What is Prop 187 and how does that help George?

[question everything]

34. Prop 187 passed in 1994, I think

and it blocked any assistance to illegals.

Many Californian realize the heavy drain that assistance to illegal immigrants - most of them are from Mexico - poses. This is one of those unfunded mandates. Federal laws demand that children of illegal immigrants be taught like everyone else, that hospitals treat illegal immigrants and so forth. The problem with prop. 187 was that it was hiding - not too well - racist tones and eventually was found to be unconstitutional.

If "son of 187" will be on the November ballot, it could galvanize many liberals and many Latino voters to go out and vote.

[Bandit]

4. And BBV will strike again

Last time a governor guaranteed a state look what happened.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Arnold comes up with the "Duh Factor."

His brilliant observation: if Bush pumps federal money into California, Bush can win California. Well, Duh. You can say that about any state. In fact, one of the things that the Republicans did to neutralize the Democratic voter base was to dry up the federal programs that were once associated with Democratic policies. No money means you have voters who are disconnected from the party and the system. Of course, you also have Americans who are leaner, angrier and less willing to cooperate with each other as a community. But hey, who's looking at the big picture?

[xxqqqzme]

6. 'can have California'

Hey steroid boy, don't B givin' away the surprise so early.... Shit, I can be governor of California if the voting machines R rigged. My mirror is reflecting nothing - how 'bout that enron lawsuit arnie??? yea, I'm gonna do back @ you thugmeister rat bastard!

[knight_of_the_star]

7. He can TRY

But I think Bush will have a hard time doing that when gas is at $3 a gallon and the rest of the country is only paying about $1.70 and he didn't do anything to stop it. Not to mention his record-setting deficit, and that the recall was BECAUSE of the same thing.

[fearnobush]

8. His Terminator appeal has lost it's luster after 547 dead in Iraq.

Arhh---nodlhdt is actually in big trouble if state fails to fix debt.

[wysi]

9. In other words...

... "we're almost finished rigging all the voting machines".

[fearnobush]

10. Vote absentee Ballot!!!!!

It's the only way to defy the lie of Diebold and the Republicans.

[seabeyond]

27. dont they only go

to absentee ballots if the race is close, another thing most people dont know.............questioning, have heard not sure

[9215]

11. Only if they "fix" the

voting system first. :bounce:

[mot78]

12. This argument makes as much sense as saying * can carry DC or NY

California is not in play this year. The most Ahhnold could siphon off from us is 1-2% in my opinion. Ahhnold is NOT *, and Californians hold him just as responsible for their economy as Gray Davis was.

[Semi_subversive]

13. We've been getting dry-docked

by Bush since he took office and I don't think he can do nearly enough funding and ass-kissing in the time permitted to win the state. Arnold is an embarrassment as a Californian and a human.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. As far as I know there is absolutely nothing on the table

about chimp helping California. Anyway, what mechanism is in place for chimp to do anything? A declare a federal disaster area? Otherwise wouldn't "help" would have to move through the congress? - and since it doesn't have anything to do with our "terror threat" that would be unlikely.

Arnold is an idiot.

[displacedvermoter]

23. No money to do anything, even if he wanted to do

As President Lincoln so aptly put it "The bottom is out of the tub."

Bush cannot go around the country like his father before him, or President Clinton to some extent, handing out irrigation projects, agricutural research centers, and roads. No money, they broke us in three goddamn years!

California may be a few points closer than you might think -- a GOP governor will help a bit from a logistics standpoint alone -- but Bush still loses by 9 - 10 points.

[Eloriel]

36. You don't think Arnold is shooting his mouth off with no

assurances already made to him to back him up, do you?

Goodness, that's naive.

[onehandle]

15. Wrong. nt

[tom_paine]

16. Translation: Give us money & it'll be close enough to steal

He's shaking down the Imperials.

As their Emperor-In-Waiting (he secures the hereditray monarchy for the Imperial Family by being a stooges who can be inserted in between Bushes, "See, we don;t have a hereditary Empire. Ah-nold's last name is Schwarzennegger!") he might be able to do that.

[Eloriel]

37. He's not shaking down the Imperials -- he's talking with

their backing. He's the front man. This way HE gets to look good too. This way, Orrin Hatch's Constitutional Amendment might look like a good thing to pass -- the one that would let foreign-borns become President. I guess the Bush Crime Family wants to have a Plan B if Jeb is too damanged to run in 2008.

[Poiuyt]

17. Does anyone know what the polls say for CA?

I know the polls have been pretty inaccurate this year, but I was curious.

[Journeyman]

30. Very few polls out recently about Herr Gropenfuehrer. . .

or his "signature initiative": Proposition 57, the massive bond issue he's promoting as the panacea for all that ills the State.

Der Gropernator has put his political fortune into this Proposition, which as of the last poll I can find about it (early January) was trailing, 35 percent to 44 percent, with 21 percent undecided. As the initiative is unopposed by any organized group, the lack of recent polls for it tells me it is still trailing.

We'll know better next Tuesday if Herr Schickelgroper can help Shrub in November, for if he can't get his own agenda passed he's very little chance of aiding others.

[Piperay]

18. NO...he can't.

They are delusional if they think that just because the groper got in it means the state is going their way. The recall was a fluke and would never have come about except for Davis being such a scum that even most Democrats had a hard time defending him. I know that I couldn't even find anything nice to say about Davis and while I voted against the recall I had to hold my nose when I did it. Davis got what he deserved, unfortunately the rest of the citizens in California have to suffer for it.

[jeanmarc]

19. "Californian people are like a mirror????

"Californian people are like a mirror, you know that what you do for them they will do back for you."

Does that mean Ahnuld has been groped repeatedly by his victims?

[Sequoia]

20. Who'd want to, the pip squeak

He'd better close his pie hole, he's embarassed our state as it is and the world just laughs at him.

[truthisfreedom]

21. you grope them, they grope back?

[Kool Kitty]

40. Sure. You know the old adage,

"Do unto others...."

[Manix]

25. Who listens to what this idiot has to say?

nt

[calimary]

28. Not if THIS Californian has anything to say about it, Mr. Gropenator.

This Californian reflects only DEMOCRATIC Party strength and give-back.

[NYC]

31. The last time a governor promised Bush a state

he got it. Florida.

[markses]

32. Bush will lose California by 1,000,000 votes

Just like last time. They're delusional.

[shanti]

33. total bullshyt

the chimp will NEVER win in cali!

[Barkley]

38. After proposing to give amnesty to millions of 'illegal aliens' ...

... even the conservatives in CA are upset with Bush.

What message is Bush going to bring to California
workers: 'outsourcing tech jobs to India is good for the economy'?

I think Edwards' "Two Americas" theme is what California really is
about.

[pinniped]

39. When hell freezes over.

Nothing that AHOLE does can change my vote.

Message to chimp:

Stay out of CA like you did last time. No one wants you polluting the landscape.

[yellowcanine]

42. Gropebutt just endorsed vote buying? Isn't that illegal?

Using taxpayer money, no less. Anyway, gropebutt - CAN and WILL are two different things, not? Kerry CAN win Texas also. Before any votes are cast, it is theoretically possible for anyone to win, Dynaball man.