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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:00 AM
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Obama adviser Romer certain of economic rebound in 1 yr
Source: Reuters

Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:49am EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One of President Barack Obama's top economic advisers said on Sunday that she was "incredibly confident" the president's efforts will turn the U.S. economy around within one year.

Christina Romer, head of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said because of the programs Obama was implementing, "We will be seeing signs the economy is turning around ... (it) is growing again."

She told the "Fox News Sunday" program that she was "incredibly confident" that the president's programs will turn around the slumping U.S. economy.

"That's why we're taking them," she said. "We absolutely think they will do the job for the American economy."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE52L0N820090322
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:03 AM
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1. I must respectfully disagree with Ms. Romer
And when things have not improved in a year, which I'm "incredibly confident" they will not, I expect Ms. Romer to retire to spend time with her family.

Of course, the sooner the better, as her misguided optimism will most probably make things worse.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:05 AM
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3. I couldn't have said it better.
:thumbsup:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:08 AM
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7. You only get your economic information from bitter PUMAs?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:11 AM
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8. No. I saw this coming a long time ago...and Obama's plan isn't going to fix it.
I don't even think Krugman has it 100% right, but he's a lot closer than Obama is.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:17 AM
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10. is there anyone who didn't see..
this coming a long time ago? What is the 100% right solution to the house of cards falling down? Should one method be tried before it is deemed a failure?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:24 AM
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15. Well, maybe everybody who lost 50% of their 401k's to start...
I don't have a 100% solution, but I do believe that until we deal with the CAUSE of the problem and stop trying to put band-aids on the symptoms, we're not going to fix it.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:31 AM
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21. The cause of the problem..
to me, is the same it's been for the last hundred years...allowing the robber barons to do whatever they want. The solution is always the same too..more regulation/laws..until the next time.

http://www.inthe80s.com/sandl.shtml
In the early 1980s, under Reagan, regulatory changes took place that gave the S&L industry new powers and for the first time in history measures were taken to increase the profitability of S&Ls at the expense of promoting home ownership.

What is important to note about the S&L scandal is that it was the largest theft in the history of the world, and US tax payers are who were robbed.

The problems occurred in the Savings and Loan industry as they relate to theft because the industry was deregulated under the Reagan/Bush administration and restrictions were eased on the industry so much that abuse and misuse of funds became easy, rampant, and went unchecked.

Savings and Loan Scandal
Here are some facts on the infamous S&L scandal of the eighties which we are still paying for.

* The Savings and Loan scandal is the largest theft in the history of the world.
* Deregulation eased restrictions so much that S&L owners could lend themselves money.
* The Garn Institute of Finance, named after Senator Jake Garn, co-authored the deregulation of the industry and received $2.2 million from industry executives.
* Neil Bush, George Bush's son, never servered time in jail for his part in running an S&L into the ground.
* Representative Fernard St. Germain, who was head of the House of Representatives banking, co-authored the deregulation and was voted out of office after other questionable dealings and was sent back to D.C. as an S&L lobbyist.
* Charles Keating, when asked if massive lobbying efforts had influenced the government officials, he replies "I certainly hope so."
* The rip-off began in 1980 when the government raised the federal insurance on S&L's from $40,000 to $100,000 even though the typical savings account was only around $6000.
* Some of the seized assets were a buffalo sperm bank, a racehorse with syphilis, and a kitty litter mine.
* James Fail invested $1000 of his own money to purchase 15 failing S&L's. The government reimbursed him $1.85 billion in federal subsidies.
* It sometimes took over 7 years to close failing S&L's by the government.
* When S&L owners who stole millions went to jail, their sentences were typically one-fifth that of the average bank robber.
* The government bail out will cost the taxpayers around $1.4 trillion dollars when it is over.
* If the White House had stepped in and bailed out the S&L's in 1986 instead of delaying until after the 1988 elections, the cost might have been only $20 billion.
* With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have provided prenatal care for every American child for the next 2,300 years.
* With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have purchased 5 million average homes.
* The authors of "Inside Job", a book about the S&L scandal, found criminal activity at every S&L they investigated.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:46 AM
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25. See, that's where I break with most people. I think WE are the problem.
Credit default swaps, bad mortgages, lack of regulation...I don't believe that any of these caused the situation we find ourselves in...they all helped feed the disease, but the disease was our desire for short-term gratification coupled with a near-complete lack of personal responsibility.

Our enemy isn't the corporation or the bank or the hedge fund manager...

...our enemy is Veruca Salt.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:40 AM
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30.  I think the onus is on the government...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 10:40 AM by stillcool
It's happened too many times before, and the crisis was foreseen long before the shit hit the fan.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:44 AM
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31. this is becoming really tiresome....
Why do you call everyone who criticizes Obama's policies a "bitter PUMA?" We have the right and duty to participate in our democracy, and that includes holding politicians' feet to the fire when they're apparently floundering ineffectually or when we think they're failing to solve a pressing national problem. And I know MANY of the folks criticizing Obama's latest decisions were NEVER supporters of HRC-- many were among her most vocal critics here. Calling them PUMAs, or suggesting that they are somehow aligned with PUMAs, is both wrong and beside the point.

Opinions differ. You apparently think that Obama is on the right course. That's fine-- you should defend his policies rather than ridicule those who question them. That's just a rhetorical cheap shot, nothing else.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:06 AM
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5. "I expect Ms. Romer to retire to spend time with her family"
I guess women belong in the kitchen and not on presidential advisory panels, in your mind.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:13 AM
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9. I think he means holding Ms. Romer accountable if she fails.
Firing might be too much a reprimand, but then what she says does have a direct effect on 300+ million people, amongst other ramifications.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:21 AM
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13. I doubt that "spend time with the family" comment would have been made
if Romer was a man.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:26 AM
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16. We all wanted Shrub to spend time with the family
Unfortunately, Shrub acts like his "family" is named either Bonanno, Gambino, Colombo, Genovese or Lucchese.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:28 AM
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28. Male or female, "spend time with family" is the cliched excuse given
when anyone "leaves" a government job without having been overtly fired.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:48 AM
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32. it's a common euphemism, and yes...
...it's commonly invoked to explain the sudden departure of males from inside the Beltway, too. Surely you've heard some variant on the theme of "He announced his resignation today, citing the need to spend more time with his family."
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:26 AM
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17. "spend time with family" is code for
"leave in disgrace"

Nothing to do with the sex of the person. ;)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:28 AM
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18. That was said of Andrew Card and other fired male officials. In fact, Colbert
made a joke of it at the white house press dinner for Bush a few years ago--saying Scott McClellan had left the White House to spend more time with Andrew Card's family.
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:29 AM
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19. I agree she has "misguided optimism"
I'v heard blue sky and sunshine before. I don't see the 'light at the end of the tunnel' the way she does.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:05 AM
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2. Growing, thanks to Americans getting more American-economy-paying jobs?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:05 AM
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4. Romer has lots of background studying the Great Depression
She is one of his better advisors in my opinion.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:29 AM
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20. She may, but this is not the Great Depression. I hope she's right anyway, though.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:07 AM
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6. I think that a year is a reasonable time table
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:21 AM
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12. the banks may be lending in a year..and we may have cleared their balance
sheets in a year....but what about all the unemployed? Will that be cleared up in a year?

If recovery only means getting the banks to lend again and paying for all the financial mistakes made...then she may be correct... (IMO)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:24 AM
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14. I think Unemployment will level off in the next few months
then there will be a gradual decrease. In a year's time it will be good, with room for improvement, in my opinion.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:46 AM
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24. Unemployment will take a long time to come down. It always does.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:03 AM
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26. The trouble being, where will jobs be created?
Not in manufacturing, certainly, or nowhere near the level that existed before this era.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:21 PM
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34. Agreed I haven't heard anything about banning outsourcing
or scraping free trade deals that will create more jobs here. All I am hearing is the fellatio being performed on Wall St, while Main Street is being treated like a first time felon in his first night at San Quentin.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:18 AM
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11. recommend -- i'll take any good news i can get. nt
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:32 AM
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22. I like Romer
much better than the Wall Street shills who Obama has chosen to run the economy, but I think she's wrong.

We are in the deepest doo-doo seen since 1929.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:40 AM
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23. I agree with you there.
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 09:58 AM by nyy1998
It's probably the worst recession since the Great Depression but it is no where near as bad as the Depression, thank god.

To those people who think she's being optimistic. Actually this report by Gauti Eggertsson of the New York Fed actually show that she might be understating this:

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/economists/eggertsson/ContractionaryTaxes.pdf

Basically he argues that the multipliers are probably around 2 or so.

For reference, her multipliers were 1.6 for spending and 1.0 for tax cuts(refer to her speech to the University of Chicago).
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:16 AM
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27. but that`s not what st paul of the big gold medal says
if only obama would let him sit at the big table all our problems would solved.
:sarcasm:

i think obama selected the people he was comfortable with and who would give him the best advice possible to solve the problem. i have no doubt we will see improvement at the end of this year---if---the blue dogs in the senate are neutered.

remember....there`s primary elections starting across the one year from now.
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:33 AM
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29. Newsweek: If U.S. follows crisis norm, expect 4 years of recession
The March 21st Newsweek says that if the United States follows the norm of recent banking-crisis episodes, it may take four years to return to its pre-crisis level. But the current crisis is far more global than any seen since the '30s, when most countries took a decade to grow back to where they had started.

Don’t Buy the Chirpy Forecasts
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:49 AM
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33. John Kenneth Galbraith said it best:
"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable."
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:52 PM
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35. Will one year become the new Friedman unit for the economy?
Too soon to tell, of course.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:50 PM
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36. There is no way on Earth that the economy will rebound using the current zombie bank plan. (nt)
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